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billl7

Feb 24, 2007, 6:12 PM

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jt512 wrote:

billl7 wrote:

Period. Well, except for the the analysis from the gym owner.

The analysis that made absolutely no sense, by the gym owner who didn't actually witness the accident? That analysis?

Right. We just disagree on whether it was a reasonable analysis. You - not reasonable. Me - reasonable.

jt512 wrote:

billl7 wrote:

I belive multi-pitch climbing was brought up as an example where the typical gym climber belay was woefully inadequate (again, my interpretation). Aren't you contributing by taking such a narrow position on the break hand?

No, Bill, I'm not. This is not the forum (literally) to discuss those other problems. The purpose here is to figure out why the accident happened. Bringing in other problems that did not contribute to the accident just obfuscates what did.

This is another place where we disagree and it stems from whether we think the gym owner's analysis is reasonable. So we're stuck here as well IMHO.

jt512 wrote:

billl7 wrote:

But according to the owner (the guy you said was an idiot)...

Curt said that.

Then you are disowning something you said ... well, inferred.

jt512 wrote:

billl7 wrote:

...there were a number of problems with the belay - not just the lock off issue.

There were other problems, but they didn't contribute to the accident.

This being the 3rd disagreement we have.

jt512 wrote:

billl7 wrote:

Sure, not-locking-off would explain why the belayer wasn't jerked around. So could a rediculously large amount of slack in the system...

The belayer burned her brake hand, Bill, so the rope ran through the device.

You and I do not know she burned her brake hand. Gail does not know for sure. Some objectivity would be helpful on your part Jay. That would be my biggest gripe with your approach. Inject some objectivity rather than knee-jerking (my words) to the "Just lock off at the hip, numbskull!" Now, add this to the other areas where we disagree; I think it's reasonable to say that we are at an impass. I'm okay with that.

No, no excuse from me for the belayer, no matter whether you are in the "just lock off, stupid!" camp or in the "lock off but pay attention to system [Edit:, stupid!]" camp.

Bill L

(This post was edited by billl7 on Feb 24, 2007, 6:57 PM)

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