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dingus


Feb 5, 2009, 2:55 PM

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Re: [roadstead] Rock climbers reject regulation
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roadstead wrote:
dingus wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
j_ung wrote:
Across international lines? Can that work?

sure, why not? I guess it depends on treaties and so on, but folks in other countries get sued in the US all the time, and vice versa. Whether or not the funds are paid may be different, however.

If a liability suit of this sorts comes to fruition we can pretty much be assued that guidebooks and open reporting of new routes will STOP. Entirely.

I've created bolted face climbs. The climber assumes full risk if she decides to trust those bolts. Until a court says other wise.

When a court says otherwise I will have reported my last drilled bolt.

I say it's not IF.... it's WHEN.

And when it happens, climbing clubs along the lines of hunting clubs, will become the defact standard in the U.S. as the only practical way to manage the liabilities.

It is a stinky can of worms. Someone, perhaps someone on this board, will one day sue a first ascentionist team for something - and win.

Climbing as we know it will cease that day.

Any mention of a liability lawsuit directed at FA teams should be SHOUTED DOWN. Repeatedly.

DMT

Climbing as we know it died 20 years...this is just the DEATH rattle.

Nah. It's certainly evolved but the basic premise of American climbing built on the first ascent and grass roots style reporting - is alive and well.

I think for this basic model to survive even one more generation we as climbers must:
1. Respect the first ascent
2. Respect LOCAL ethics
3. Reject (and SHOUT DOWN) any liability suits that threaten this basic independance.

For example, while I admire the belayer kid who held the rope and save his partner but died himself, in the infamous Glacier Point rock fall? I think the lawsuit his parents attempted against the NPS was bullshit and I was gratified to see it dismissed. I feel for their loss but their son ACCEPTED THE RISKS by doing the deed and they had no business at all suing the park service. As a parent I think I can understand at least part of their pain though.

I like modern climbing and modern climbers just fine, btw, from sport to boulder to trad. Most of em never get more than a 1/2 a mile from the nearest road so its easy enough to avoid em when I'm feeling anti-social (which is most of the time hehe)

DMT


(This post was edited by dingus on Feb 5, 2009, 2:59 PM)



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