One thing I will never understand is how women can be so cruel to each other. I was dating a girl recently and I was shocked at how mean her friends were to each other. How much drama there was that I just didn't understand.

I suppose my thoughts at reading this thread were the same. What's the problem? People have kids, they tone things down. I doubt there are many guys who do the same sort of climbing that they do after they have kids as before. They have responsibilities just the same as women.

Most of the men who I climb with who have kids have many times told me that they couldn't climb a specific day because they WANT to spend it with their family. They take their kids out hiking and climbing instead.

I have never had a female partner who has kids, however I have certainly seen quite a few women bring their toddlers to the gym and I can only assume that they do the same when they do real climbing.

So ultimately I'm just not seeing it. It must be there somehow because there are obviously tensions but in our day and age, it just doesn't make sense to me.