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Re: [karmiclimber] The Brotherhood of the Rope:
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kriso9tails
Jul 30, 2009, 4:30 AM
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karmiclimber wrote: LOL. You are a peach. Basically you agree with what I'm saying but in a super argumentative way.
I was mostly agreeing from the get go; it just wasn't entirely clear to me what you were saying exactly. It was much clearer hearing it as a matter of personal experience.
As I said, I'm well aware of the type of thing you're talking about, but thinking about it now, I suppose these are the sorts of guys I've actively avoided where possible. It seems like at least three quarters of them that I've encountered were first met kicking, screaming, swearing and making bullshit excuses all because they kept overestimating their abilities.
I started climbing before I was a teen. One of my main climbing partners was my mom who was in her early forties at the time. I got the 'best of' tour of sexism and ageism in climbing right when I started out. It was curious in some cases when someone at the crag was clearly trying to figure out which one of us was the tag-along and couldn't come to a conclusion. The correct answer was 'neither'. Some areas were definitely worse than others.
In reply to: And the point of what I was saying...the male climber does not mind if his gf (no, I am obviously not talking about the woman who found her way into climbing through means of her own, either by platonic male friends, other females, etc) never progresses in climbing.
I'm talking about the same women as you. I'm just saying that there's a practical reality that the onus gets shoved on the woman to decide what's more important: her climbing or his ego? A guy who's being a dick isn't likely to just snap out of it so easily, especially if he doesn't realize what he's doing. Maybe if he's not really a bad guy it can all be talked out, but it seems that girls I've know in that situation have generally moved on to other climbing partners (even if they stayed in the relationship). It's not really a disagreement with you per se.
Regardless of gender though, I do require a partner to be honest about what they want with their climbing. Yeah, okay, I've forced the odd person onto the sharp end (my mom included) because I knew they were holding back too much, but in general I'd rather be an enabler than a pusher.
(This post was edited by kriso9tails on Jul 30, 2009, 4:50 AM)
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