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csproul


Mar 1, 2012, 5:44 PM

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Re: [dynosore] First African American to climb Denali?
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dynosore wrote:
blueeyedclimber wrote:
dynosore wrote:
Studies have shown that short men are discriminated against even moreso than minorities when it comes to employment and promotions. Better looking people get promoted more easily. We live in an imperfect world, but I fail to believe we will make any progress by reversing the discrimination. I prefer to be colorblind.

I don't understand why you are getting offended (I know I said I am done with this thread). Why can't racism and discrimination be talked about without people getting up in arms about it? Just because racism towards black people is being talked about, no one is saying that other groups have not had to endure discrimination as well. No one is saying that as a white man, you have participated in this discrimination.

I grew up a white, middle to upper middle class, white male. I am fairly intelligent, fairly attractive (IMO), average height, from a loving family. I am pretty sure that I have never been discriminated against for anything. I am also pretty sure that I have never discriminated (at least to my knowledge) against anyone else for their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, political affiliation, or lack of charismatic good looks. That being said, I don't see why discrimination can't be talked about without people taking offense to it, or thinking that they or people they know haven't had just as hard a life.

Josh

I can only speak for myself. I get "up in arms" about it because I grew up amongst poor white trash to be perfectly honest. I saw how some of us struggled to rise above it but very few of us made it out. Only unusual intelligence and drive got me where I am. To have additional barriers put in our way because we were white was ridiculous. I would have loved to gotten more scholarships to go to college, but I'm not a minority or a woman. I had to work full time and it took me 8 very long years. I'm a better person for it and I appreciate what I have all the more, but I sure wouldn't chose that path for my kids. Go spend a week volunteering on a reservation and you might think a bit differently about things.
Your stance on something like aa makes sense. That I can understand. What still doesn't make sense to me is why you don't think it ok for minorities or women etc...to celebrate their achievements. If a minority is impressed that one of their own race/culture/sex has done something and wants to celebrate it, why does that matter to you? We're not talking about federal funding for future trips to Denali here, right? We're talking about African Americans wanting to know who amongst them was the 1st to climb a mountain so that they could celebrate that accomplishment.


(This post was edited by csproul on Mar 1, 2012, 8:26 PM)



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