Troll for sure.

If you showed your doctor that diet and he said nothing, he would be truly belligerent.

Troll for sure.

If you showed your doctor that diet and he said nothing, he would be truly belligerent.

I don't understand people who are smart enough to write out what they're eating, but need someone to tell them that Wendy's, RedBull and Coke aren't the way to stay fit, let alone healthy.

It's not hard, it's not expensive, and it's not time consuming to eat right. You do, however, have to use your brain.

Each day: 
(1) 3 servings of Whey/ 1 tablespoon of Flax Oil  
(2) 8-10 OZ Extra Lean Steak/ 1-2 cups Green Veggies.  
(3) Grilled Salmon/ 1-2 cups Green Veggies.  
(4) 3 servings of Whey/ 1 tablespoon of Flax Oil  
(5) 2 Cans of Tuna/ Chopped Onions/Celery/ 1 tablespoon of Safflower Mayonnaise.  
(6) (Post Workout) 2 servings of Whey/10 OZ Orange Juice.  
(7) 8-10oz Extra Lean Steak/ 2 cups Veggies.  
 
Vitamins each day: 
1 Multivitamin Extra Zinc  
30 - 50mgs Fish Oil Caps Flax Oil Liquid  
200mcg Selenium  
800mgs Folic Acid  
800iu Vitamin E  
2 grams Vitamin C 
 
Notes: 
- Don't consume carbs/fat in the same meal. 
- Only eat carbs after a good workout, but not a big portion.

Men: 
66 + (6.3 x 132 pounds) + (12.9 x 65.5 inches) - (6.8 x 27 years) 
 
If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 40 percent 
 
So, 1.4 (66 + 831.6 + 844 - 183.6) = 2133.35 calories 

OK I took your advice and did some research and here's what I found would be good meals:

Code

Here are my daily regimes. I workout each day, but mix up the workouts generally between these two:

*** DAY 1 ***

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OK I took your advice and did some research and here's what I found would be good meals:

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If you are running 10K with a 4m 50sec pace your are running at a very strong competive level.

You obviously ain't a runner.
Pretty much anybody that puts foot in front of foot can run at that pace.

If he said that he went sub half hour for the 10k, then there is hope.

Assuming his pace is per mile, then he's running a 10K in 30 min.

Jay

americans are so weird, why would anyone state their pace for a 10k run in mph?

(the op very well might have though...)

'Cause fuck the metric system, that's why.

This is idiotic.

Jay

Assuming his pace is per mile, then he's running a 10K in 30 min.

Jay

troll gets taken seriously.

I'm not a troll you idiot. But if I was, good job on "feeding the troll".

why?

You obviously ain't a runner.
Pretty much anybody that puts foot in front of foot can run at that pace.

If he said that he went sub half hour for the 10k, then there is hope.
If he could do it in 26min or so, then he may start to be competitive.

americans are so weird, why would anyone state their pace for a 10k run in mph?

(the op very well might have though...)

And what do you think the 'or so' bit was for?

Anybody running sub 3 min KM pace, will have no problems with being ripped.
Eating enough to support their training is the more likely problem.
Therefore his pace had to be KM not miles.......

I'm not a troll you idiot. But if I was, good job on "feeding the troll".

And what do you think the 'or so' bit was for?

Anybody running sub 3 min KM pace, will have no problems with being ripped.
Eating enough to support their training is the more likely problem.
Therefore his pace had to be KM not miles.......

in all seriousness. anybody that hasn't mentioned a properly supplemented and fully nutritious raw vegan diet is already leading you astray. if you truly want to know how to feel every day and climb everyday like a superhuman... pm me.. or u can listen to these guys.... i'm being serious though. if anyone believes otherwise feel free to discuss. and i will back up my reasoning.... it is real, the proof is real, the logic is real, and results are undeniable.

in all seriousness. anybody that hasn't mentioned a properly supplemented and fully nutritious raw vegan diet is already leading you astray. if you truly want to know how to feel every day and climb everyday like a superhuman... pm me.. or u can listen to these guys.... i'm being serious though. if anyone believes otherwise feel free to discuss. and i will back up my reasoning.... it is real, the proof is real, the logic is real, and results are undeniable.

in all seriousness. anybody that hasn't mentioned a properly supplemented and fully nutritious raw vegan diet is already leading you astray. if you truly want to know how to feel every day and climb everyday like a superhuman... pm me.. or u can listen to these guys.... i'm being serious though. if anyone believes otherwise feel free to discuss. and i will back up my reasoning.... it is real, the proof is real, the logic is real, and results are undeniable.

Lemme have it while I chew on my candied bacon.

in all seriousness. anybody that hasn't mentioned a properly supplemented and fully nutritious raw vegan diet is already leading you astray. if you truly want to know how to feel every day and climb everyday like a superhuman... pm me.. or u can listen to these guys.... i'm being serious though. if anyone believes otherwise feel free to discuss. and i will back up my reasoning.... it is real, the proof is real, the logic is real, and results are undeniable.

lets start off by saying obviously i have not always eaten raw vegan... i actually love steak... i love fully cooked food. i am not some animal lover. the reasons i turned to this diet is because it is the purest healthiest most nutritious diet you can strive to have.

meat is not healthy for you... several reasons. our bodies do not really digest meat very well, they are not meant to digest meat. or dairy even for that matter. dairy is bad for you. both block nutrients you need to digest and for your body to heal, repair, and function properly, and both have no positive nutritional value. we do not produce the proper enzymes and acids to break down meat and dairy products. therefore they sit and rot inside us until we shit em out... we only produce the enzymes to process dairy when we are children. like under 3 yrs old... meat and dairy block nutrient intake and actually slow down the energy our cells produce and keep them from carrying proper nutrients. there is nothing good for us that comes from meat and dairy products. if you do research they are proven causes to diseases, cancers and all that good stuff....

so where do you get your nutrients and protein? from all the other stuff, veggies, super-foods, greens, legumes, nut and beans all that stuff, fruit grains, herbs and all that good stuff. our bodies digest that kinda stuff with a very high efficiency. and if you cook your food over about 100* it will take away most of the available nutritional value. therefore you eat what you can if not everything raw. proper supplementing such as available herbs, raw meal replacements with added fruits veggies and juices... extremely potent "green and red" drinks, herbal extracts and supplements.... pure water, not tap or regular bottled water....

when you eat raw, vegan your don't get excess fat, your body stores proper nutrients for usage. you will feel like a superhuman. literally, you rarely get sick if at all, you recover faster, no mood swings, you will be stronger, think more clearly. you will naturally be purging your body of toxins by eating this way. most forms of disease and cancer come from what we eat and the water we drink.


i could elaborate a bit more if you'd like... but the biggest proof is in the research and results. for me and many ppl around me. it is the healthiest way to live, but as far as rock climbing... we all have seen massive improvements in what we get out of every climb. how fast we recover, how rare an injury is, how fast those injuries heal... the gains are tremendous. healthiest most fit looking ppl in the gym. and above all, our climbing grades far outweigh ppl who eat"normal. how many peeps listening climb v10-v15` and 5.13-5.15 with 2-5 yrs experience?? or those grades at all for that matter? the improvements were extremely noticeable when diets were changed... and everyone under the diet shot up past those who were not. this isn't a couple outta a dozen ppl either... everyone is wondering what were all doing and all we can say is we r what we eat...

all we can say is we r what we eat...

I'm wondering if the OP and the brain fried vegan are the same person.


Generally, when I hear of people losing weight/ gaining performance once switching to a vegan diet, I ask what they were eating before.The answer was always
'Oh, pretty well. Subway, ramen, McDonalds, beer, frozen burgers, macaroni out of a box....'

lets start off by saying obviously i have not always eaten raw vegan... i actually love steak... i love fully cooked food. i am not some animal lover. the reasons i turned to this diet is because it is the purest healthiest most nutritious diet you can strive to have.

meat is not healthy for you... several reasons. our bodies do not really digest meat very well, they are not meant to digest meat. or dairy even for that matter. dairy is bad for you. both block nutrients you need to digest and for your body to heal, repair, and function properly, and both have no positive nutritional value. we do not produce the proper enzymes and acids to break down meat and dairy products. therefore they sit and rot inside us until we shit em out... we only produce the enzymes to process dairy when we are children. like under 3 yrs old... meat and dairy block nutrient intake and actually slow down the energy our cells produce and keep them from carrying proper nutrients. there is nothing good for us that comes from meat and dairy products. if you do research they are proven causes to diseases, cancers and all that good stuff....

so where do you get your nutrients and protein? from all the other stuff, veggies, super-foods, greens, legumes, nut and beans all that stuff, fruit grains, herbs and all that good stuff. our bodies digest that kinda stuff with a very high efficiency. and if you cook your food over about 100* it will take away most of the available nutritional value. therefore you eat what you can if not everything raw. proper supplementing such as available herbs, raw meal replacements with added fruits veggies and juices... extremely potent "green and red" drinks, herbal extracts and supplements.... pure water, not tap or regular bottled water....

when you eat raw, vegan your don't get excess fat, your body stores proper nutrients for usage. you will feel like a superhuman. literally, you rarely get sick if at all, you recover faster, no mood swings, you will be stronger, think more clearly. you will naturally be purging your body of toxins by eating this way. most forms of disease and cancer come from what we eat and the water we drink.


i could elaborate a bit more if you'd like... but the biggest proof is in the research and results. for me and many ppl around me. it is the healthiest way to live, but as far as rock climbing... we all have seen massive improvements in what we get out of every climb. how fast we recover, how rare an injury is, how fast those injuries heal... the gains are tremendous. healthiest most fit looking ppl in the gym. and above all, our climbing grades far outweigh ppl who eat"normal. how many peeps listening climb v10-v15` and 5.13-5.15 with 2-5 yrs experience?? or those grades at all for that matter? the improvements were extremely noticeable when diets were changed... and everyone under the diet shot up past those who were not. this isn't a couple outta a dozen ppl either... everyone is wondering what were all doing and all we can say is we r what we eat...

your profile says you climb 11a and v6...

your profile says you climb 11a and v6...

lets start off by saying obviously i have not always eaten raw vegan... i actually love steak... i love fully cooked food. i am not some animal lover. the reasons i turned to this diet is because it is the purest healthiest most nutritious diet you can strive to have.

meat is not healthy for you... several reasons. our bodies do not really digest meat very well, they are not meant to digest meat. or dairy even for that matter. dairy is bad for you. both block nutrients you need to digest and for your body to heal, repair, and function properly, and both have no positive nutritional value. we do not produce the proper enzymes and acids to break down meat and dairy products. therefore they sit and rot inside us until we shit em out... we only produce the enzymes to process dairy when we are children. like under 3 yrs old... meat and dairy block nutrient intake and actually slow down the energy our cells produce and keep them from carrying proper nutrients. there is nothing good for us that comes from meat and dairy products. if you do research they are proven causes to diseases, cancers and all that good stuff....

so where do you get your nutrients and protein? from all the other stuff, veggies, super-foods, greens, legumes, nut and beans all that stuff, fruit grains, herbs and all that good stuff. our bodies digest that kinda stuff with a very high efficiency. and if you cook your food over about 100* it will take away most of the available nutritional value. therefore you eat what you can if not everything raw. proper supplementing such as available herbs, raw meal replacements with added fruits veggies and juices... extremely potent "green and red" drinks, herbal extracts and supplements.... pure water, not tap or regular bottled water....

when you eat raw, vegan your don't get excess fat, your body stores proper nutrients for usage. you will feel like a superhuman. literally, you rarely get sick if at all, you recover faster, no mood swings, you will be stronger, think more clearly. you will naturally be purging your body of toxins by eating this way. most forms of disease and cancer come from what we eat and the water we drink.


i could elaborate a bit more if you'd like... but the biggest proof is in the research and results. for me and many ppl around me. it is the healthiest way to live, but as far as rock climbing... we all have seen massive improvements in what we get out of every climb. how fast we recover, how rare an injury is, how fast those injuries heal... the gains are tremendous. healthiest most fit looking ppl in the gym. and above all, our climbing grades far outweigh ppl who eat"normal. how many peeps listening climb v10-v15` and 5.13-5.15 with 2-5 yrs experience?? or those grades at all for that matter? the improvements were extremely noticeable when diets were changed... and everyone under the diet shot up past those who were not. this isn't a couple outta a dozen ppl either... everyone is wondering what were all doing and all we can say is we r what we eat...

If this description of your diet is true, then it would appear to contain no vitamin B12 whatsoever. Are you aware that a "pure" vegan diet is completely devoid of vitamin B12, and from where, if anywhere, are you obtaining this vitamin?

Jay

I can tell you're holding back.

Pure water, not bottled or tap water. <- What does this mean.

lets start off by saying obviously i have not always eaten raw vegan... i actually love steak... i love fully cooked food. i am not some animal lover. the reasons i turned to this diet is because it is the purest healthiest most nutritious diet you can strive to have.

meat is not healthy for you... several reasons. our bodies do not really digest meat very well, they are not meant to digest meat. or dairy even for that matter. dairy is bad for you. both block nutrients you need to digest and for your body to heal, repair, and function properly, and both have no positive nutritional value. we do not produce the proper enzymes and acids to break down meat and dairy products. therefore they sit and rot inside us until we shit em out... we only produce the enzymes to process dairy when we are children. like under 3 yrs old... meat and dairy block nutrient intake and actually slow down the energy our cells produce and keep them from carrying proper nutrients. there is nothing good for us that comes from meat and dairy products. if you do research they are proven causes to diseases, cancers and all that good stuff....

so where do you get your nutrients and protein? from all the other stuff, veggies, super-foods, greens, legumes, nut and beans all that stuff, fruit grains, herbs and all that good stuff. our bodies digest that kinda stuff with a very high efficiency. and if you cook your food over about 100* it will take away most of the available nutritional value. therefore you eat what you can if not everything raw. proper supplementing such as available herbs, raw meal replacements with added fruits veggies and juices... extremely potent "green and red" drinks, herbal extracts and supplements.... pure water, not tap or regular bottled water....

when you eat raw, vegan your don't get excess fat, your body stores proper nutrients for usage. you will feel like a superhuman. literally, you rarely get sick if at all, you recover faster, no mood swings, you will be stronger, think more clearly. you will naturally be purging your body of toxins by eating this way. most forms of disease and cancer come from what we eat and the water we drink.


i could elaborate a bit more if you'd like... but the biggest proof is in the research and results. for me and many ppl around me. it is the healthiest way to live, but as far as rock climbing... we all have seen massive improvements in what we get out of every climb. how fast we recover, how rare an injury is, how fast those injuries heal... the gains are tremendous. healthiest most fit looking ppl in the gym. and above all, our climbing grades far outweigh ppl who eat"normal. how many peeps listening climb v10-v15` and 5.13-5.15 with 2-5 yrs experience?? or those grades at all for that matter? the improvements were extremely noticeable when diets were changed... and everyone under the diet shot up past those who were not. this isn't a couple outta a dozen ppl either... everyone is wondering what were all doing and all we can say is we r what we eat...

in all seriousness. anybody that hasn't mentioned a properly supplemented and fully nutritious raw vegan diet is already leading you astray. if you truly want to know how to feel every day and climb everyday like a superhuman... pm me.. or u can listen to these guys.... i'm being serious though. if anyone believes otherwise feel free to discuss. and i will back up my reasoning.... it is real, the proof is real, the logic is real, and results are undeniable.

Suffice it to say that flatulence is a common complaint among and about vegans, and for that matter vegetarians generally. (For those of you who don't know many vegetarians, they come in various flavors; vegans are the most hard-core, eschewing not only meat but animal products of any kind, including milk and eggs.) The problem is the body's inability to fully digest the complex carbohydrates so abundant in the vegetarian diet and the consequent excessive production of gases such as hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and methane.

I'm wondering if the OP and the brain fried vegan are the same person.


Generally, when I hear of people losing weight/ gaining performance once switching to a vegan diet (well, any diet really, but people get the holy vegan head more than others), I ask what they were eating before.The answer was always
'Oh, pretty well. Subway, ramen, McDonalds, beer, frozen burgers, macaroni out of a box....'

not the same person. if you cant understand the logic behind it even, then you are the brain fried one... before i at vegan i was eating healthy... no fastfood, no beer, i dint smoke, i didnt eat candy, or ramen. i was taking lots of extremely healthy supplements, i made my own meals, and i never ate red meat, and only free range chicken and wild caught fish, i already had stopped eating dairy since it should be a general knowledge that is is horrible for you.

its not a holy vegan head. its a "i denied it, i thought they were crazy, i had the same attitude you guys do, then i started studying how the human body works, started looking into research and realized that raw vegans are nothing like vegans. and everyone who has even tried a raw vegan diet and noticed the massive difference is either still raw, or wishes they could afford it. when i finally tried out being vegan i felt like i had more energy, lost weight, slept better, and felth healthier... but was already doing my supplementing aside from a rawmeal replacement. once iswitched to raw the result were so noticeable.. that if you were to not talk shit for one second and really think about it, you would be smart enough to say... hey, what the hell... why not try it for a while, why not look into it.... unlesss you really don"t care about your health and all the important stuff, and you are just gonna listen to the media and be ur own person... everyone i know that has switched from anything... even vegan->raw vegan has only felt better and performed better, and even look healthier.

as far as the grades i climb go.. yes those were from before the switch... i was actually climbing that grade a little over a year ago. and rite around v4 and 5.11ish i think when i joined the site.... and no i havent updated it cuz i didnt think to..guess i will go update it now.... when i am not working... i am climbing... aside from the rare occasion i browse thru he forums, or get on here to plan out my next trip... since i have focused more on bouldering... my hardest sends to date are 5.13c and v11. v6-v11 and 5.11c to 5.13c was what i gained in less than a years time... so..... many other people who made the switch had the same type of results.

you can talk shit all you want, just like i had... but it means absolutely nothing to me unless you have actually tried it. cuz like i said, anyone openminded enough to try it out will not want to go back to "regular food"

Source for the below info: Nutrient Value of Some Common Foods. Health Canada, 1999

All Iron is Not Equal

Iron in food comes in two different forms called heme and non-heme iron. Heme iron is found in animal foods such as meat, liver, poultry and fish is easily absorbed by your body.

Non-heme iron found in vegetables, fruits, nuts, grains, legumes and eggs, and is poorly absorbed by your body. We can improve the absorption of non-heme iron by eating it with small amounts of meat, fish or poultry, or foods that are rich in vitamin C.

if you cant understand the logic behind it even, then you are the brain fried one...

I don't really know where to start...and I'm slightly bored but not nearly bored enough to comprehensively pick apart your raw/vegan theory. First things that come to mind -we digest meat as well as we need to and absorb nutrients from it just fine. Meat contributes to healthy b vitamin , iron, testosterone levels just to name a few. Sure, you can get some protein if you eat certain veggies and legumes and shit in certain combination, but the protein to carbohydrate ratio is ridiculous for anyone who isn't a hardcore endurance athlete - even then... Also, who came up with the bullshit that it's a bad thing if we don't absorb every molecule we ingest and some of it comes out the back end? That's what the whole fucking system was designed to do! Are you telling me that vegans don't shit?

. even though i am openminded enough to say that it might be possible.....

i was taking lots of extremely healthy supplements

its not a holy vegan head. its a "i denied it, i thought they were crazy, i had the same attitude you guys do, then i started studying how the human body works, started looking into research and realized that raw vegans are nothing like vegans.

and everyone who has even tried a raw vegan diet and noticed the massive difference is either still raw. . .

as far as the grades i climb go.. yes those were from before the switch... i was actually climbing that grade a little over a year ago. and rite around v4 and 5.11ish i think when i joined the site.... and no i havent updated it cuz i didnt think to..guess i will go update it now.... when i am not working... i am climbing... aside from the rare occasion i browse thru he forums, or get on here to plan out my next trip... since i have focused more on bouldering... my hardest sends to date are 5.13c and v11. v6-v11 and 5.11c to 5.13c was what i gained in less than a years time... so..... many other people who made the switch had the same type of results.

you can talk shit all you want, just like i had... but it means absolutely nothing to me unless you have actually tried it. cuz like i said, anyone openminded enough to try it out will not want to go back to "regular food"

you really believe the idea that we digest meat as well as we need to thing? and that its okay that we hardly digest it at all. carbohydrates arent a bad thing, if you rock climb you will burn your carbs. if your body functions at the high output level it needs to and you are active and healthy they wouldnt matter. have you ever seen a fat vegan or raw vegan for that matter? or i should say.... one that may be fat but is slowly geeting slimmer... i dont mean vegetarians. i mean a real raw vegan... or even vegan for that matter. yes raw vegans shit... but alot less than you would... and generally a true raw vegan wouldn't have a shit pile that smelled like death..... as far as nutrients going to waste... your diet will make you shit nutrients you never absorbed... not due to your body being full of nutrients but due to you body not digesting properlr eating cuz it lacks nutrients. it is also harder for our bodies to even digest cooked food.

i think you don't know where to start cuz you really dont know what yer talking about...

yes raw vegans shit... but alot less than you would...

[you really believe the idea that we digest meat as well as we need to thing? and that its okay that we hardly digest it at all. carbohydrates arent a bad thing, if you rock climb you will burn your carbs. if your body functions at the high output level it needs to and you are active and healthy they wouldnt matter. have you ever seen a fat vegan or raw vegan for that matter? or i should say.... one that may be fat but is slowly geeting slimmer... i dont mean vegetarians. i mean a real raw vegan... or even vegan for that matter. yes raw vegans shit... but alot less than you would... and generally a true raw vegan wouldn't have a shit pile that smelled like death..... as far as nutrients going to waste... your diet will make you shit nutrients you never absorbed... not due to your body being full of nutrients but due to you body not digesting properlr eating cuz it lacks nutrients. it is also harder for our bodies to even digest cooked food.

i think you don't know where to start cuz you really dont know what yer talking about...

go

lets start off by saying obviously i have not always eaten raw vegan... i actually love steak... i love fully cooked food. i am not some animal lover. the reasons i turned to this diet is because it is the purest healthiest most nutritious diet you can strive to have.

meat is not healthy for you... several reasons. our bodies do not really digest meat very well, they are not meant to digest meat. or dairy even for that matter. dairy is bad for you. both block nutrients you need to digest and for your body to heal, repair, and function properly, and both have no positive nutritional value. we do not produce the proper enzymes and acids to break down meat and dairy products. therefore they sit and rot inside us until we shit em out... we only produce the enzymes to process dairy when we are children. like under 3 yrs old... meat and dairy block nutrient intake and actually slow down the energy our cells produce and keep them from carrying proper nutrients. there is nothing good for us that comes from meat and dairy products. if you do research they are proven causes to diseases, cancers and all that good stuff....

so where do you get your nutrients and protein? from all the other stuff, veggies, super-foods, greens, legumes, nut and beans all that stuff, fruit grains, herbs and all that good stuff. our bodies digest that kinda stuff with a very high efficiency. and if you cook your food over about 100* it will take away most of the available nutritional value. therefore you eat what you can if not everything raw. proper supplementing such as available herbs, raw meal replacements with added fruits veggies and juices... extremely potent "green and red" drinks, herbal extracts and supplements.... pure water, not tap or regular bottled water....

when you eat raw, vegan your don't get excess fat, your body stores proper nutrients for usage. you will feel like a superhuman. literally, you rarely get sick if at all, you recover faster, no mood swings, you will be stronger, think more clearly. you will naturally be purging your body of toxins by eating this way. most forms of disease and cancer come from what we eat and the water we drink.


i could elaborate a bit more if you'd like... but the biggest proof is in the research and results. for me and many ppl around me. it is the healthiest way to live, but as far as rock climbing... we all have seen massive improvements in what we get out of every climb. how fast we recover, how rare an injury is, how fast those injuries heal... the gains are tremendous. healthiest most fit looking ppl in the gym. and above all, our climbing grades far outweigh ppl who eat"normal. how many peeps listening climb v10-v15` and 5.13-5.15 with 2-5 yrs experience?? or those grades at all for that matter? the improvements were extremely noticeable when diets were changed... and everyone under the diet shot up past those who were not. this isn't a couple outta a dozen ppl either... everyone is wondering what were all doing and all we can say is we r what we eat...

not the same person. if you cant understand the logic behind it even, then you are the brain fried one... before i at vegan i was eating healthy... no fastfood, no beer, i dint smoke, i didnt eat candy, or ramen. i was taking lots of extremely healthy supplements, i made my own meals, and i never ate red meat, and only free range chicken and wild caught fish, i already had stopped eating dairy since it should be a general knowledge that is is horrible for you.

its not a holy vegan head. its a "i denied it, i thought they were crazy, i had the same attitude you guys do, then i started studying how the human body works, started looking into research and realized that raw vegans are nothing like vegans. and everyone who has even tried a raw vegan diet and noticed the massive difference is either still raw, or wishes they could afford it. when i finally tried out being vegan i felt like i had more energy, lost weight, slept better, and felth healthier... but was already doing my supplementing aside from a rawmeal replacement. once iswitched to raw the result were so noticeable.. that if you were to not talk shit for one second and really think about it, you would be smart enough to say... hey, what the hell... why not try it for a while, why not look into it.... unlesss you really don"t care about your health and all the important stuff, and you are just gonna listen to the media and be ur own person... everyone i know that has switched from anything... even vegan->raw vegan has only felt better and performed better, and even look healthier.

as far as the grades i climb go.. yes those were from before the switch... i was actually climbing that grade a little over a year ago. and rite around v4 and 5.11ish i think when i joined the site.... and no i havent updated it cuz i didnt think to..guess i will go update it now.... when i am not working... i am climbing... aside from the rare occasion i browse thru he forums, or get on here to plan out my next trip... since i have focused more on bouldering... my hardest sends to date are 5.13c and v11. v6-v11 and 5.11c to 5.13c was what i gained in less than a years time... so..... many other people who made the switch had the same type of results.

you can talk shit all you want, just like i had... but it means absolutely nothing to me unless you have actually tried it. cuz like i said, anyone openminded enough to try it out will not want to go back to "regular food"


as for a vegetarian.. being vegetarian is nothing like being raw vegan.... as for you b12 deficiency thing... like i said preoper intake and raw supplements.... i get plenty b12 and nutrients. i dont just eat raw vegetables... i make sure i get everything and more than my body needs. if your holding back.. feel free to throw whatever debate you have at me. i am not the average raw vegan thing i can pick up fruits and veggies off the shelf of the grocery store and be getting everything i need from them. as far as testosterone levels and all that shit your talking about. i have much healthier and more abundant forms of getting my testosterone balance, and all the other stuff your talking about. there are better sources for the stuff your talking about besides meat. feel free, throw it at me... i don't mind, because it will only prove my point valid that much more due to your lack of knowing what my diet is... as for the water... i will leave that up to you. one of the closest thing you can get to pure bottled water is trader joe's artesian water.... there is another source from arkansas that is all glass containers, extremely pure, and the bestwater that you can drink and use for daily needs is kangen water. if you drink tap water still, or brita water, or aquafina... you are still a 'zombie" to health....

like i said feel free to poke and prod... and no, i dont believe in alien pyramids, and the other stuff you mentioned.... even though i am openminded enough to say that it might be possible.... i am not crazy, i just care about living a healthy happy life.

you really believe the idea that we digest meat as well as we need to thing? and that its okay that we hardly digest it at all.

yes raw vegans shit... but alot less than you would...

it is also harder for our bodies to even digest cooked food.

Sure, but what's important is that he believes he climbs 5.13 and V10, just like he believes the bullshit about his diet.

Jay

Just because you're lean doesn't mean you're healthy.

What's your:

blood pressure
cholesterol
liver function
kidney function
A1C
fasting blood glucose

but the biggest proof is in the research and results.

so where do you get your nutrients and protein? from all the other stuff, veggies, super-foods, greens, legumes, nut and beans all that stuff, fruit grains, herbs and all that good stuff.

Better than yours. A raw vegan diet would almost certainly improve all those values.

Jay

my hardest sends to date are 5.13c and v11

No, but a shit ton of unhealthy anorexic looking ones.

which route(s) and which problem(s)? ?

....or are these the grades your buddy at the prana shop said the orange tape holds on the display woody were?

Woooo! Super foods! There's the key right there. That's all we need to eat.

Went to the doctor recently. He said I'm in great shape except I should get my hep A/B vaccines. Low cholesterol, everything else is at a normal level.

i'm going to guess that this was Dr. Pepper right?



as its already been pointed out textually, here's your problem visually:

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damn dude.. that's harsh. im serious though, im completely healthy. I have my health report and it's all good. at the same time I know I need to improve my eating

I know one raw-food vegan who is also a climber. She has been raw vegan for several years.

And there's Steph Davis. You can be a strong climber or a great athlete being vegan. I'll even grant you that there might be a slight advantage, but not enough to offset the relatively few numbers that they have. However it's certainly not a magic bullet for success.

damn dude.. that's harsh. im serious though, im completely healthy. I have my health report and it's all good. at the same time I know I need to improve my eating

Actually I'm willing to bet that his aren't better than mine

They don't shit less.

Most of it just comes out the wrong orifice.

Plus all the extra periods they seem to have.

and above all, our climbing grades far outweigh ppl who eat"normal. how many peeps listening climb v10-v15` and 5.13-5.15 with 2-5 yrs experience?? or those grades at all for that matter? the improvements were extremely noticeable when diets were changed... and everyone under the diet shot up past those who were not. this isn't a couple outta a dozen ppl either... everyone is wondering what were all doing and all we can say is we r what we eat...

I would take you up on that bet if there were a way to document the results. Also, you'd have to abstain from any medication that affects those blood values.

Jay

You'd still loose that bet. I'm on insulin but then that's to treat my type 1 diabates, a purely genetic condition that was in no way brought on by anything that I did.

You'd still loose that bet. I'm on insulin but then that's to treat my type 1 diabates, a purely genetic condition that was in no way brought on by anything that I did.

So Jay, zealots aside, if you as a dietician were to encounter someone who was a raw vegan and unwilling/unable to change, what would you recommend that they do for supplementation to stay healthy and maintain a raw vegan lifestyle? Possible, beyond a span of, say, 3-5 years?

[So, out of curiosity, what were your LDL-C and HDL-C levels at last measurement.

Jay