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micronut
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I'm a tree hugging, in touch with nature kinda guy (not a rainbow) and I say, if it's not a major branch, cut it.
I embrace the idea of "thoughtful tending" as apposed to staight preservationist ethic.
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no_limit
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Chop it
Nobody should care, and if they do its already been done, too late.
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mitchal
Jan 19, 2003, 1:49 AM
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HEY!!!!
DON"T CHOP IT!!!!
Tenderly prune it,,yeah,, and keep the rest of the branch out of harms way from future climbers.You are a good nature lover,A hot tree hugger should give you a hug.
Climb Happy(and unimpeded)
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moeman
Jan 19, 2003, 1:50 AM
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Can you just bend it back with some string so its not in the way? If not, cut it. The tree will live.
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At least it proves no one did it before you. I'd chop it in a heartbeat. In fact, if it were me, I'd have done it while climbing, without even posting here, and then I'd have laughed in the face of anyone who got mad at me for it.
It would be different if it were a whole tree, or a lot of big branches chopped close to the trunk, but one piece of one branch can go, and most likely no one will notice.
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i'm not sure you can hug a rainbow bu i think i get the point of what you're saying. yes i too am a so-called "tree-hugger". i would tie it out of the way but if it didn't work very well i would cut it as long as it's not a branch that matters.
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coclimber26
Jan 19, 2003, 9:18 PM
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chop the limb, it'll grow back...
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john1987
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How would you feel if someone chopped one of your arms off That's what it feels like to a tree when you chop branch off. I am the lorax and i speak for the trees. no im just kidding
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climbingpride
Jan 20, 2003, 2:44 AM
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I love bolts! I did a climb yesterday that originaly had only 2 bolts on it. AND IT WAS A 70' FACE!!!, It now has a total of nine on it. I love that person who added those 7 more bolts.
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Save the bolt foundation:D
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beyond_gravity
Jan 20, 2003, 2:46 AM
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.......or you could just chop it.
Millions of trees are cut down everyday. It won't make a difference.
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You gotta be KIDDING skibabeage!
its a BRANCH! Not global disasters!
Chop it. Dont even give it a second thought. There is no reason not to. Its a branch.
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karma274
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It would probably be ok to chop it, but that really depends on what land its on and the relationship with the landowner/manager or whatever. If you do cut it, be responsible and discrete and don't go overboard with what you hack off and you will probably be ok.
BTW, if you are a climber, you should probably have some nature lovin' tree huggin tendencies of your own.
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How is chopping a branch any different then chiseling a hold. Climb the problem in it's natural condition would be better.
One branch won't kill the world, but if you cut it back a little, the next person will decide it needs a little more pruning, then the next will decide the whole tree has to go.
I have seen it happen more than once.
this isn't about being a tree hugger, it is about being a good climber.
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boulderingmadman
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is it a pinkie size branch, or a friggin forearm?
it depends on the branch, the tree, the land, the area, the route, etcetcetc...
id say if its thinner in diameter than you thumb, cut it. but heres the conundrum...if its thinner than your thumb, how much can it really be in the way???
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durus
Jan 20, 2003, 5:40 PM
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It's not just a branch, it's a potential baby tree!
It could even potentially produce hundreds of baby trees, no THOUSANDS of baby trees!
Do you want the senseless slaughter of THOUSANDS of baby trees on your concience?
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I don't know why, but I'm beginnin' to think that the original scenario is bogus, or hypothetical at best.
But, hey, into the fray: I think the main issue is whether or not the climber would have permission to cut the branch. Is the tree on public land, or private? Is climbing allowed by the owner or land manager? If there isn't pre-existing permission to cut the branch, then the climber should get permission before he/she does anything to the rock, the land, the trees, etc. etc.
"Ethics" comes into play in a big way, in the sense that climbers should conduct themselves in a way that is consistent with being responsible to other climbers and the interests of climbing access. If it's purely a question of making a decision as a climber, then tree-hugging, rainbow hugging, etc. need not even come into the discussion.
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I agree with the tie it back then release it folks. I would say "chop chop", but it is a delicate little tree, not a bolt next to a crack. Just try to tie it back first, then if that isn't possible, prune it (90 degree cut 1/2 inch away from another limb) responsibly and "send dude" (gosh, I love this new lingo).
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Jan 21, 2003, 12:11 AM
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tie and release...sorta like catch and release with animals
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stevematthys
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instead on bolting wars we have made a tree hugger war
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tradpuppy
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Mr. no_limit, I hope you don't have that attitude when you visit Boatrock or Rocktown. If one of us sees you, you'll hear more than just "too late".
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"Catch and Release" is fish harassment. "Tie and Release" is tree harassment.
I don't condone wasting paper, trees, petrol, or any other gift of nature. But since the ... extreme environmentalist(s)seem to think it is about attitude, ask them what they drove to work or what electricity is powering their computer then cut it (the brnach). As long as you are asking about it, it sounds like you have the right attitude.
As soon as we take the "we cut millions of trees a day so cuting that one branch is bad" approach, our lives will be at a standstill. It is a wonderful ideal but it won't work and we'll all die if taken to a absurd but natural conclusion.
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t you just find someone somewhere who is trimming their tree and ask them to cut one less branch? You'd be even then.
Oh, and if it is an area with environmental problems, endangered species, etc... then don't cut it. And if a land manager will close the area because of it then don't cut it.
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You call yourself a CLIMBER? WTF!
My god...you are obviously not an ALL-ROUND climber, you are ONLY a ROCK CLIMBER
With NO CONSIDERATION for our CLIMBING BROTHERS the TREE CLIMBERS>
You are probably DESTROYING some TREE CLIMBERS 5.8 making it a 5.12 or something.
My advice-check the tree for chalk or hook marks, very important to MAINTAINING SOLIDARITY OF THE CLIMBING COMMUNITY!!!!
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there is no reason to say not to chop it. i do that to the trees in my yard to make them healthier.... pruning is good you will not kill the tree just cut it at the right time of year and you're money. happy chopping (may i recommend a stihl 18" chainsaw
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(Hmm..., I haven't stepped in a pile of "controversy" for a while; why not?)
A scrappy little crag I climb at periodically has this really nasty saw-blade type plant that likes to grow very fast everywhere it can (I mean seriously sharp spikes lining both sides of every long, stiff leaf). Its roots travel underground, and it especially likes to spring up when they hit the base of the cliffs. So required gear at this crag is some type of machete to clear the little "babies" out of the way before they get so big you can't find the wall anymore. Falling on one of those might not kill you, but you'd wish you were dead.
So I'm asking myself after reading some of the responses here, should we just let the saw plants take over and keep looking for cliffs who's environs are completely free of any form of plant life? If we did that on our semi-tropical island, we'd pretty much eliminate 90% of the climbing locations in the country.
It's a jungle out there, and the only reason it isn't a jungle "in here" is because someone long before me took a machete to some of it.
I really do like trees and plants and almost all things "natural" (much of why I don't like gym climbing), but somewhere there is a balance to be maintained.
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one900johnnyk
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cutting them back is not wrong... in fact, it makes them grow much better, a fact to which anyone who has any experience growing cannabis can attest
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tradpuppy
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Yes, but not in a greenspace in an urban area, where an act such as that could jeapordize access (Boatrock). At Sandrock Al., a little innocent trimming turned into a full scale deforestation of the tops of all the boulders. Now, you can routinely walk into the climbing area and see smoldering firepits with green leafy branches piled on them with fires that never did catch. People see you doing the innocent trimming and the next thing you know, clear cut! That's the problem, not one little branch.
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beyond_gravity
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nobody is going to cut the friggin tree down if you cut off a single branch. People arn't that dumb
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tradpuppy
Jan 21, 2003, 3:17 PM
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Yes they are.
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Sandrock ethics Climbing:
Place all backpacks etc. at starts to trad climbs. If you have to relieve yourself, do it in a chasm (smells good) or under sit start boulder problems. Be sure to leave Alabama popcorn so people will know. Firewood ethics: Use only green wood, never use down wood.
Personal relationship ethics: If you steal someones woman be sure to take a picture of the two of you getting it on, hang picture in outhouse. If you find picture of your ex in said outhouse, be sure to turn outhouse over!
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karma274
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(heavy sarcasm)Yes, the trimming of a very small branch will lead to full scale deforestation of the tops of boulders, using green wood for fires, and the calling in of agent orange strikes at all local boulder fields.(heavy sarcasm)
Sorry dude, but I doubt the trimming of one small branch led to all of the problems you mentioned. You would have to be dealing with lots of idiot locals for that to happen.
Of course it is Alabama...
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tradpuppy
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Exactly.
But newer climbers see the example set by others. Unless you explain that it's not necessarily what you do EVERY day, some people take it to extremes in many cases. And that's what has happened there, both with the vegetation and the overbolting. Sort of like the hyperbole in this thread.
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karma274
Jan 21, 2003, 7:24 PM
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$#!&ty.
I'm suprised that that many people had no problem doing what you mentioned. Normally a few idiots get barked at by the more reasonable majority.
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Pansy ass,no ethic's having,bouldering fag.
I have seen to many tree's cut down around boulders lately, A lot of them in RMNP! I'm sick of this $#!&! Finding Cigerette butts, and all kinds of trash all over the place. People ripping out bush's and tree's around boulder's because "It's such a killer problem dude, it's worth it!" Bull$#!&!
Repeat after me..."We don't have to climb every piece of rock"!!!
You better hope I'm not around to see this kind of BS, I'm not some tiny little tree hugg'n hippy, and I would love to shove that saw blade straight up your ass!
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Jan 21, 2003, 8:07 PM
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another boldering flamer...look at your name yo!! and youre gonna call us fags...you even call yourself a flamer...
damn, the irony
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Jan 21, 2003, 8:18 PM
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If you only knew the reason behind the flamer name( and some RC people do).
BUT don't think I wouldn't bend your pansy ass over a boulder-if I saw you doing the the kind of BS being discussed here!
josh
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boulderingmadman
Jan 21, 2003, 8:20 PM
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bring it troll...anytime you wanna come to the bishop area, just give me a PM...i dont talk $#!& and hide behind a name to avoid backing up my words...
talking about "bending me over a boulder"...whose the fag?
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flamer
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I'm sorry, But Hide behind A name? Seems to me I've signed every post I've ever put on this site with my real name. josh.
As far as being a fag goes- I'm not- but that wouldn't keep me from shoving it up your ass to prove a point. After all I would just be sticking it in a P**sy!
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boulderingmadman
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chris morrison. assistant general manager. holiday inn, mammoth lakes, ca.
(760)924-1234 whenever you think youre man enough...
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boulderingmadman
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reply to the PM...im curious...before this gets too far out of hand...
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DID YOU JUST GET A CALL FROM IVANA HUMPALOT ?!?
IT WASN'T ME I SWEAR !!!!1111
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boulderingmadman
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im not dumb...it aint my personal phone number...just to make reservations
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WOW! This is like the 8th grade! I don't need to meet you at the bike racks after school! I have no desire to fight you over some lame internet crap! HOWEVER, as I stated before IF I were to come across someone doing this kind of crap THEN we would have a PROBLEM. It amazes me that people who would bring their place of business into something like this can acheive the coveted title of asst. manager.
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boulderingmadman
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its all in good fun...you crossed the line by making threats to my physical well-being.
i got no problem with flaming for the fun of flaming. when you make physical threats, you got two choices...bring it, or stop it.
as for the place of business...anyone who wants to make a reservation, now knows the phone number...
this is, however, typical of most flamers...when the money's on the line...back off...
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Flamer and Madman sitting in a tree - k-i-s-s-i-n-g - First comes love, then comes marriage....
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I say you sould just chop it. It's just one tree. Your not going to destroy the whole universe. Well...... unless it influences people to do the same and it all gos and dies.
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Oh, you ha-a-airy leettle men. Alotta Fagina here. I veesh you would not fight over such a small leetle thing. I hurts Allotta to see ha-a-airy leetle men break such hot vind before her.
Now, you boooldering madly man. Do you have the hot tubs at your Hooliday EEN?
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Don't remove it. The route isn't that important that a tree be damaged or destroyed. It's bad enough we harm the rock. I say leave it. Climb around it. For the tree.
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Cut it off. Its not bad for the tree at all. only the braches that are exposted to lots of sunlight help the tree. Don't just cut half of it cut the entire branch off. It will look better.
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Plant a tree...then cut the branch...I have been to a few of the Access Funds Adopt a Crags and if you keep in mind that you want others (climbers) to use this area...keep them on the trail and keep those trails nice...goes for the base of the crags too. Other climbers will be on that route...keep in mind to keep it as natural as possible. It is our responsibility as climbers to keep our areas cleaned up...dont litter, have respect, and enjoy!!!
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tie it, and if that doesnt work, duct tape it, and if that doesnt work, then cut it...its not like youre cutting down the whole tree...its a branch
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chop the whole tree down.
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I don't believe that it's altering the route at all because your not doing anything to the rock itself. As for skibabeage he has some issues because he doesn't realize how much wildlife and nature had to move out of the way when the built his home. If we didn't move nature around into what we wanted we would all be living in caves and not be to the point we are today. Guess what, you wouldn't have all that neat climbing gear on your rack if we just let nature be. Just do it and forget what all the nature freaks say about stuff.
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cut it off, giver the chop
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Take a NAP....!!!!
Out..
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I say " chop the whole tree down" an roast some local wild life with it...
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I usually would NOT even respond to such a thread.... but since it's influencing my son, I feel I have to.
DUDE!!! you're 19 year's old. C'mon how classic or hard is it? That you feel you MUST climb this problem. Is it because you lack problems in your area? Go to a place that you don't have to do this. There is a TON of rock out there.
On the other hand.... it may not be a big deal at all, depending on the area, the condition of the tree, where the branch is, etc.
THINK before you chop it.
Use good gudgment, I've gone to the effort of learning a bit about horticulture because of this exact reason... mostly from slacklining.
REMEMBER and KNOW that your actions will reflect on generations forever.
adm4now - You should really THINK about what you post. This kind of thinking is not good.
Cheers, Ammon
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good point mhr2000.
I don't give a damn who your are skibabeage, if you have a home built in the forest you cut down some trees to built it. Guess what your home was framed in? Lumber which comes from trees, but they aren't in your area so i guess you can really care less as long as it doens't effect you in some way. You need to shut your hypacritic mouth and stop bad mouthing everyone about there opinions. I only wrote that message before because i felt you were being an ass toward all the people in favor of chopping. Anyway i'm tired of wasting my time. skibabeage Will just try to come back with a stupid arguement and call me a moron again so i can choose to fight back or just let him be an ass,but i can really care less. This topic have been killed a number of times but people keep putting their two sense in and dragging it out.
I'll keep my opinion to myself for the time being because their are people out there who just have to have the last laugh.
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Jan 23, 2003, 1:36 AM
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I think you are all missing the point.
It is not this tree or the next tree or any tree that matters!!! It's the attitude that we should just chop anything that gets in the way of the next route. It's the same attitude of people that leave trash and dig up rocks, and chip holds. Do we manipulate our environment? Yep! Will we continue? YEP! Is it nessecary? NOT ALWAYS! I've said it before and I'll say it again- WE DON"T NEED TO CLIMB EVERY PIECE OF ROCK!!!!
josh
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Jan 23, 2003, 1:48 AM
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If the #!@%ing branch falls off by itself and no one is around...does it still make a sound when it hits the ground...?
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I. Newton
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venezuela
Jan 23, 2003, 1:59 AM
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hi...
I didn't take the time to read every post...
but The firsts posts in response were almost all in favor of cutting the branch, right? And still on, lots of other are in favor of cutting it, right?
Meanwhile....
when there's a post in regard of chopping or not the ROCK, millions (well, at least the majority) of people advocate in behalf of the rock, saying it's not ethical to manipulate the rock (chop, glue or make a specific hold artificialy)
Isn't it IRONIC (at least from the posts I read), It's "more O.K" to chop a branch, A LIVING THING, that the rock.
I'm against the chopping of anything....is enough that we use chalk, which inhibits the growth of any life-form once it comes in contact with the ground/rock.
Diego.
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madriver
Jan 23, 2003, 2:03 AM
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How about BOLTS ..we may as well get that started to!!!
Just Kidding
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toproper177
Jan 23, 2003, 2:16 AM
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If it's a wilderness area leave it. If it's a semi popular crag, state park or place cut it.
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toproper177
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If it's a wilderness area leave it. If it's a semi popular crag, state park or place cut it.
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apollodorus
Jan 23, 2003, 2:17 AM
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Cutting a branch off a tree, if done properly, will improve, not impair the health of the tree. Cut it off close, so that there is no stub that will die and become an entry point for infection. Get some of that tree-hugger goop they sell at nursery stores and paint it over the wound to seal it up.
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I want to remove a bush in the landing zone at Santee Boulders, for a 17 foot problem. The bush makes it a bad fall,so,out it goes, to be used for gully control. Its our sport and like every thing else you find it where it is.
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mnicholas77
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cut the f'n branch off. go on, do it. do it, ha ha ha.
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ridgerunner
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I wonder how many crack routes were gardened during the FA?
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I can't even believe I am writing to this insane post, but here goes.
1) You're all crazy (including myself).
2) Like some Native Americans, if you harm or kill something, you must pay great homage to it.
3) Is it absolutely necessary?
4) Realize that everthing happens for a reason.
5) Would you do that to your mother? (then why mother earth?)
6) Don't be too anal, but use the "greatest" judgement.
7) If you have read this far, you are as insane as the rest of us
PS - After some of the previous posts, I hope no one gets killed over this little branch.
PS2 - Remember, even if we do create so much devestation as to "kill" mother earth; she will survive, go on, and rejuvinate untill the end of eternity. It is us who will be gone, and maybe that won't be such a bad thing (everyting happens for a reason).
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M
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spork73
Jan 23, 2003, 3:43 AM
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Saw away
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This Tree hugging argument is realy funny. The fact cutting a branch or two off the lower part or a tree stimulates new growth and makes the tree stronger.
2nd If you guys and gals want to piss and moan about the environment why not do it a posative way. Go clean up the creek next to your house or don't use fertalizer on you lawn. Maybe promote better water treatment. Or stabalize and clean up a braided trail at your local crag. Think about it what would that little branch matter if people blasted that bolder and put in a new golf course.
Peace
Tanner
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stevematthys
Jan 23, 2003, 3:54 AM
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well said
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goingtohellquick
Jan 23, 2003, 7:46 AM
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Just cut it really close so it has the possibility if growing back later or developing a knot which would be good for the tree. I know this because it is part of my job.
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jomamazaho
Jan 27, 2003, 4:07 AM
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This thread needs to die!
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adamwvt
Jan 27, 2003, 4:11 AM
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two words, Warren Harding
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Only if that branch new what it started here. Why did it have to grow in the way of that route...I hope it's a damn sweet route.
Just curious..what type of tree is it - common or rare? Are you in forest or is this tree the only one around and just barely living? Much human impact in the area or would you be be the first to start noticably altering the place? Would other people climb this route after you or would just you enjoy it for a bit then no one else use it?
There's a fun climb here that's a chimney for the first 10m because of a tree you push against. That route wouldn't be as unique or fun if it wasn't for that tree.
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tanner
Jan 27, 2003, 6:01 AM
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Don't cut it you will wreck a perfectly good tree climb just so you can climb your boulder.
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