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goopermc
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My climbing partner (maculated) is a sport climber where I am a boulderer. Recently she asked my why I like bouldering more then climbing tied in.
I gave her this answer her: I believe that bouldering is more pure the climbing with a rope. There are no other things to consider, it is truly just you and the rock.
I also don’t like the waiting involved in climbing for a rope. It seems like you get to wait for 15 minutes to climb for 5.
I ask the rock climbing bouldering community “why do you boulder instead of climbing tied in”?
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For one thing, it's cheaper. Bad reason, but I'm in school...and debt sucks.
You also get on the rock more. Belaying for a long time sucks after a few shifts...
The only thing I really miss about it is the height. Short of free soloing, you don't get as high up, get that sense of accomplishment you do roping in.
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--Quote--
I gave her this answer her: I believe that bouldering is more pure the climbing with a rope. There are no other things to consider, it is truly just you and the rock.
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Humbug says I! Climbing is climbing, whether you're down low, or three pitches up. The reason I boulder? There's no-one around to give me a belay, or I need a workout. I enjoy bouldering and sport climbing, and whether I'm attached to a rope or not is irrelevant (outside of the obvious safety aspect). I just wanna climb
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Mar 18, 2002, 6:32 PM
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Because I enjoy it, and it makes me a better all around climber, by improving my feet and power.
But I prefer long multi-pitch Trad Routes the most. As quoted in the newest issue of Climbing, "Trad climbing will take me where Sport Climbing [or any other type for that matter] never will." ~Bobbi Bensman
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i don't boulder, it's too easy. bouldering is an instant gratification thing. what's going to last longer, that "hey, rad" feeling of sending V-hard in a day, or the "oh my f---ing god" euphoria of redpointing your hardest route ever after two weeks of work?
you may have to wait through 15 minutes of belaying to get on a route, but then you get to climb 100ft worth of boulder problems.
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I don't like bouldering, because it is way tough to hang-dog when doing it.
"Take!"
THUNK!!!
"Ow."
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I boulder to increase strength, learn to balance my body and move better.
It's not instant gratification, it's training without the need to haul all the gear around and tie in and need a belayer and so on and so forth. I wouldn't exactly call bouldering "climbing" though. to climb means to ascend up something, and with bouldering it's sideways on half the problems. but whatever you want to call it, it's still fun and it's still an accomplishment!
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I boulder for the fun of it. I see a rock, I tell my friends, "Hey, watch this," and climb it just to have fun. It's all climbing, and it's all fun. Bouldering also helps in training.
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goopermc
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It sounds like everyone here boulders beacause they can't climb tied in. Don't we have any unadulterated boulderers here?
sheppe: "I believe that bouldering is more pure the climbing with a rope". I guess that pure was the wrong word to use. I didn't mean that bouldering was better then climbing tied in (Even though it is ), I just mean there was less external stuff to worry about. You don't have to worry about pro, knots, clips, etc. All you have to worry about is your next move.
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I find that I can learn a lot faster bouldering than I can on a rope. I can try a problem, get stuck, get off the rock, study it, contemplate ideas, try again, get spit off the rock again, sit back down, contemplate some more, have a consultation, and try again till I get it. On a rope I feel like I just bore the heck out of my belayer trying to figure a route out. I also hate the rope--just too constricting when I TR.
I just get a better feeling when I boulder than when I do routes.
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For me I like bouldering for a number of reasons.
1. You dont have to waste time setting up ropes and gear.
2. All you need is a pad, and chalkbag.
3. Its great training. Instead of going up 30 feet and reaching a good training spot (crux) and then fall off having to start all over again, you have it all at your fingertips
4. Crags are a little hard to find. Boulders arnt that hard to locate.
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Come-on. I mean sure bouldering is "cute", but no where near a pure form of climbing. If you guys want pure, go free soloing at your limit. Don't see any boulderers doing that. Now that's a pure form of climbing. Not jumping on a crash pad.
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goopermc,
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I guess that pure was the wrong word to use. I didn't mean that bouldering was better then climbing tied in (Even though it is ), I just mean there was less external stuff to worry about. You don't have to worry about pro, knots, clips, etc. All you have to worry about is your next move.
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Well, to each their own. Bouldering is nice, if you don't have the gear/a belayer/what have you, but it takes me all of one minute to tie in, double check the gear, and start leading. Then following getting tied in, I get to climb for ninety feet on a single pitch. The rope isn't in the way when you're leading, and if you're TRing then you can ask for a loose belay, if the rope bugs ya. Bouldering is nice for instant gratification, and for training, but IMHO it isn't as rewarding as leading a climb that pushes your limits. Just my two cents.
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Mar 18, 2002, 10:54 PM
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To get strength. If you can climb hard moves then it helps you get stronger but it does not work with endurance
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I love bouldering! I love climbing...I love it all!!
Bouldering is easy to do solo.
I don't need to have anyone with me.
Where vertical, I've gotta coincide scheduals!
Sheesh!!
CAMHEAD??? LOL
QUOTE:
I don't like bouldering, because it is way tough to hang-dog when doing it.
"Take!"
THUNK!!!
"Ow."
LOL
Oh my goddess!!
I almost blew snot on that one!!!! Laughed out loud reaaaally loud!! Hillarious!
Bouldering builds core strength, like no tomorrow, and I love to work the feet!!! And it's DAMN HARD work.
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Bouldering, in my thoughts, is the purest form of climbing. Climbing, distilled to its most aseptic and its most based component, would be bouldering.
There are no hassles, no ropes, no needed equipment, no intricacies or complications whatsoever. Just you, and the rock, that's it.
That is why I love to boulder. The very essence of climbing...
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i believe that no one is wrong no one is right everyone has there own opinion, but if you cant go climbing on a rope do the next best thing go bouldering its the same thing just that you dont use a rope
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"i don't boulder, it's too easy. bouldering is an instant gratification thing."
so wutang thinks bouldering is too easy??? Unless your consistently sending v10+ boulder problems then u shouldnt even thnik that. Even then.... sorry, but i have to laugh, at your comment. My advice to toy is to jump on say a V5 boulder problem, say a sit start dyno problem, then come back and say bouldering is too easy......
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This reply is all in jest, so take no offense.
"i like bouldering because its a lot harder than doing routes. think about it, when your climbing routes you can't do as hard of moves as you can when bouldering. because it is so much shorter you can be much more aggressive than you can when doing routes because you'll get too tired to keep climbing for any length of time."
Spoken like a true "youngster"...
I remember when I was a teen and couldn't last more than a couple minutes, they called it premature ___________. I was a "minute-man". Now I'm in my 30's, and I find that what teens can do over and over, all night long, for brief periods each time... I can do once, all night long.
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You cannot solo big walls unless your endurance is legendary.
Not only am I getting older, but emphatically I am getting better.
All night long is never a problem, dude. But only "once" per night, Adam?
Tich, tich.
Do not despair, lad. In a few years, you will be as old as me!
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My wife and I are in the process of starting our Bouldering career (this Spring) as well as keeping up our Sport Climbing...and I am waiting to learn Trad.
The main reason I am starting it is becasue SHE wants to....there is no better reason to start and learn when your wife or girlfriend/boyfriend says...I want to do that. I said OK...I will buy the stuff. We just need the crashpad now and will be set up. The funny thing is...around here there is no wait for a climb (can find tons with no climbers) Most climbs are short (no long belays)....just ANOTHER form of climbing to me
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The feeling of not wearing the haress and ropes to be taken care of. In singapore where there are very few natural rock walls, it's hard to do rock climbing. Although there are many man-made big walls around, i still prefer bouldering. I'm new to climbing, so i'll start with bouldering first.
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Ok, rrradam and ptpp:
THAT TIME????? I DID blow snot!!!
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
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Hey Wu-Tang...if you think bouldering is too easy than it's obvious you aren't looking hard enough for those tough bouldering routes. Although some may consist of only 3-4 moves, they're the hardest 4-5 moves to conquer.
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metoliusmunchkin,
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Bouldering, in my thoughts, is the purest form of climbing. Climbing, distilled to its most aseptic and its most based component, would be bouldering.
There are no hassles, no ropes, no needed equipment, no intricacies or complications whatsoever. Just you, and the rock, that's it.
That is why I love to boulder. The very essence of climbing...
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Again with this 'purest form of climbing' thing. Again, I say humbug! Climbing is climbing, whether there's a rope or not. The rope is there so you don't die! Are you telling me that because I'm attached to a rope, I'm not 'climbing purely'? Gimme a break....
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Wu Tang- I beg to differ of your thought that bouldering is to easy. I do feel that the gratification level of climbing a route or sending a boulder problem really depends on who you are and what you want. Bouldering however is not easy, and it is actually a great way to gain power.
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give me a break, boulder boy. bouldering's popularity is due to the fact that it's waaaay easier than climbing a route. so you can pull V10. can you pull V10 after 60, 70, or 80 ft of climbing? i think if you took a poll of boulderers, their hardest boulder problems would be much harder than their hardest red-points.
bouldering is fun every now and then, and it does help build power. that's about it.
just because you've found some minute niche in climbing at which you can excel doesn't mean that it's what climbing is all about. there's a lot more out there.
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I use to climb a lot when I first started off but now I usually just boulder.Tying into a rope is too time consuming for me and I don't really care to belay either.When you boulder you can talk to other people and socialize more and have fun.You can get tips from people and only have to wait for maybe a min. or so before you can give it another shot.It is also a great way for building technique and strength.Right now bouldering is the most fun for me.
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I don't think bouldering overall is "way easier" than climbing a rope. I do both, I tend to hit rope-up phases and boulder phases. Yes, my bouldering level is higher (when you equate the two scales) than my route level, but that doesn't mean bouldering is easier. It's not about the GRADES, its about the moves. So I can do harder moves on a boulder problem than I could do at the end of a 60 foot route; on a 60 foot route I can do MORE moves at my hardest level than I could do at my boulder level. Yet another reason why grades aren't the be-all and end-all, and especially why equivalents between the V scale and YDS aren't all that useful. You think I boulder because it's "easier" and I can "brag" that I boulder all of V4??!! I enjoy the freedom to work harder moves than I could do on a route. When I'm in a route mood, I'm enjoying linking many moves, finding the key sequence, milking rests, etc. It's all part of the same game, and these "my branch of this sport is better than yours" debates are pointless.
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I fell so much more free when i'm bouldering then when i top rope i don't know it's a lot more fun for me.
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Cos you can just go do it, no planning involved, And its damn FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dont have to take heaps of gear and crap. And you dont need to belay!
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Wu-Tang~
it's obvious something very detrimental happened to you while bouldering...why else would you be bashing the h*ll out of it? I enjoy sport climbing as well as bouldering and feel that both have their own attributes to why they are so exciting. I'm just saying keep an open mind.
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There are lots of reasons i bolder. Like a lot of people said you dont need a lot of gear. Plus it gets a lot more people involved. Since i am a beginner i like to use boldering to work on my technique. Its the best when you just have a group of buddies out on some rocks messin around.
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i spent a winter in hueco listening to a bunch of sniveling posers wank about this and that V-hard that they had done or were going to do. that's when i realized that, for a lot of people, bouldering is much more ego gratifying because it's easier to move through the grades.
i do have an open mind, but i also have an opinion.
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of course i have to agree with a few others...one reason i like bouldering is because you don't have to worry about so much gear, even a poor guy like me can do it. but i have never even had the WANT to go on to any other sort of climbing. i started off bouldering and i'm going to stay with it. i'm not going to dis any other sort of climbing. it's just that for me i get my rush on the boulders and as long as that makes me happy thats what i'm going to do. thats just who i am.
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No one has talked about the social nature of bouldering. I don't want people talking to my belayer or myself when I am 10 feet past my last clip. That doesn't promote conversation when you are climbing tied in.
Bouldering however promotes hanging out with friends. In my opinion there is nothing better then bouldering with a few good friends. Sharing beta, proposing alternate ways of trying a route, etc.
I have had the most fun I have had climbing when I was in Joshua Tree bouldering with about 5 other people. One of us would try a route and fall off it. Then another one would get an idea and try it, and fall off. We continued to do that until we got the entire route. It was a great time.
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bouldering is fun...blah blah blah, yeah im a boulderer, i love it for all the same reasons that everyone else does, etc.
BUT the real reason why I like it: to impress the ladies.
seriously, the ones that dun climb. -uh oh i feel a story coming on-
read on at your own will
alright, some friends of mine and yours truly were hiking/walking down a local trail south of st. louis. and off in the distance, there were some really cute girls. I mean, omg. so like all of us were trying to do stupid stuff to impress them. yeah, childish, but fun as hell. uh oh, what do i see a couple of feet away - the perfect 12-14 ft. boulder problem. uh oh, whos the only one in this possee that climbs. MOI. so i walked on over, acted like i didnt see the group of girls, but i knew they were watching me. they were about 20 ft. or so from the boulder, so they had a nice view. talked a lil tech to my buds who were clueless, and then they challeneed me to climb it, and aced that problem in no time.(it really wasnt hard) but i made it look like i was tom cruise in MI2. my friends thought it was easy, they tried it, not another person solved the problem that day. i was on top of the world.
other than all the obvious reasons, i do it
- all to impress the ladies
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Wu-Tang~
your opinion sucks.
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I boulder to pick up teqnique or practice new moves... But other than that, if I feel lazy and dont feel like hookin up all that darn gear I will bolder, or if I am alone.. but I gotta admit, I like to climb cause I like the rush.
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WHO CARES!!! Climbing is climbing!!! Some boulder, some trad, and some sport climb. Some do two or all three types of rock climbing.
I don't get why so many climbers have superiority complexes. "Why do you boulder? Bouldering sucks man."
A lot of you people need to get over this whole idea that one type of climbing is more PURE or TRUE than others. Climb what you like and let others climb what they like and stop throwing around your BS on other types of climbing.
1/2 of the topics on this website have to do with people looking down on other types of climbing. Aren't you people getting sick of this shit!!
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Practice technique.
Increase strength.
Plus its cheap and ur good to go in less than a minute.
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Wu-tang- forget about the grades, man- I have a cute little problem for you to try called "So High." Yeah, you're right- it is probably too easy, so for fun, you can do it w/ no crash pad or spotter(s). THAT ought to make it interesting enough for your lordship to be entertained (I know I will be entertained watching you trying it! "take!take! THUMP. Ow." Skilled climbers, people who have something I want, suggested that I do it- they said it helped their technique, and made them stronger. The Rat is finding the same to be true for his own vermin-self.
2. I can do it alone, and it is almost as fun as my other favorite thing to do alone However, both activities are better with another person, and more than one in the best case scenario.
3. I practice things much easier on the boulder, like the mighty miagi says, than I can way off the deck when climbing routes- the figure four is best learned doing boulder problems, I think. But what the hell do I know? I'm just a stinkin' rodent, for Pete's sake!
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I climb more with ropes outside and boulder sometimes inside. Bouldering builds power and technique (like someone said). I think there's more cameraderie among boulder-ers.
After I work out a boulder problem on multiple attempts, it gives a very satisfying feeling. I have higher fear factor with bouldering and become very focused for it.
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I boulder to perfect my technique and build endurance. The longer I can hang on to the rock / boulder wall the better.
Its also fun, easy, convenient and relaxing.
Its the only way to climb alone, unless you have the grit to solo.
Rock-a-bye!
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I boulder because it draws me in and makes climb more. Its about movement. Everything moves.
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Sonsofpork,
Finally! Someone who shares the opinion I do. Climbing is climbing - stop with this 'pure', BS.
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dude, i just boulder because bouldering is better. that's it. it involves more strength and thought and less gear and most of all (gear junkies)
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bobtheboulderer
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I found that after being unable to progress past 5.9 trad climbing, I wa able to crack that barrier on the boulders. No worries about exposure (mostly) and just shoes and some chalk. You can hop out and boulder just about anywhere without needing to plan the day or the route. Just you and the rock. Good workout too!
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mightymucklebunk
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Because i can
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jono13
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it just seems alot more natural, and i concentrate alot more when i do it. i dont know how to explain it, but it kicks ass! ciao
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ronniefrown
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I burnt my harness in a tribal bonfire.
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shilo
Apr 17, 2002, 9:49 PM
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I like bouldering because you can just go with out anyone else so you don't have to worry about needing a partner for top roping or leading.
and if your belaying for ages it gets soooooo boring,
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leadingedge
Apr 20, 2002, 12:36 PM
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Generally I prefer Bouldering than climbing, but I think Multi-Pitch Climbing will be a thrill. I don't like climbing 15~30 meters but 100 meters is a different story.
But I live in Singapore so I have no choice but to boulder. Which is ok.
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minjin
Apr 24, 2002, 2:05 AM
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besides the unfortunate fact that i don't have a rope to my name... i suppose that i boulder because it's the most fun of any discipline i have tried. no time wasted fiddling with anchors, just grab and go. one would assume that in our modern society, in which so much hangs upon our need for instant gratification, things like bouldering would be popular, and indeed they are. but it is not only for such shallow and simplistic reasons that we boulder. i'm a climber, pure and simple, it's what i do. my hands on the rock is what i (for the most part) live for, and bouldering is the pure form. that, and the pleasure/pain juxtaposition of shredded tips after a long, hard day.
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hang_man
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i boulder more than i climb because I don't have harnesses I don't have ropes and I don't have a belayer!! most of the time I boulder alone and i see it as a training for my actual climbing
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holygecko
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bouldering is the purest form of climbing how could it not be cooler than just sport climbing puh!
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blisterjunkie
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Boudlering for me, is an adrenaline fix. I love the way I feel when I finish a route that I've been working on for quite some time. Climbing with a rope is just not challenging enough for me anymore. Bouldering is the bomb!!
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iclimbtoo
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More pure?:lol: Bull! I boulder because it makes me feel like I'm fee soloing, which I'm too pu--- to do. When I climb with a rope, it's usually the stuff that I would like to have the guts to free solo, but can't. Bouldering is just another thing to add to the list of fun climbing things...ice climbing, trad climbing, mountianeering, mixed climbing, bouldering, aid climbing, sport climbing, top rope climbing...
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May 2, 2002, 2:01 AM
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I have done bouldering traverse problems that involve as many moves as a top-rope problem. I think that mainly i boulder for the same money and ease reasons as the rest but i personally really like traverses and some problems i've seen are endurance builders as well as strength builders, which is especially great for those of us without with tons of gear or the means to acquire said gear
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stonefiend
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each grain becomes a microcosm for your skin cells to fondle. a creature inside of you comes alive and begins to tickle your orgasmic cells. it's an unexplainable phenomenon that only badass beefcakes can attest to.
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gives me the ability to focus on technique more. plus you don't have to buy a bunch of gear.
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alwaysforward
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Just as a side note, I'm sick of hearing people say that they aren't challenged enough in different branches. If Dave Graham is still challenged so are you.
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boulderingmadman
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loads of reasons....
it takes less time, therefore 3 hours after work at the buttermilks is a HELL of a goodworkout. three hours at a sport area is a warmup +1.
less gear, so its easier to get newbies out there and let them get a feel for moving on rock before they have to worry about all the gear and s--- too.
definately more physically challenging to me. i love to sport climb, but i hate working a hard(for me) sport route. you climb like 50 feet of climbing to fall off the crux 15 times. it sucks. bouldering the crux is right there in front of you. no mess. i definately push myself harder bouldering.
the movement is different. a "bouldery" problem just feels...uhh...cooler, or whatever than doing a sport route.(a trad climb is different story...exposure )
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For me, I do like the freedom of not having to deal with ropes. I love pushing my absolute limits, in terms of physical strength, not endurance.
I personally am not into the suffering that it takes to excel in the mountains, on hard ice and mixed, or even trad. I still do those types of climbing but only at a moderate level. I am not into the full on committment. I respect those who are, but the only arena where I truly push myself is bouldering.
I also like the fact that you can go solo, or with a group of friends. Having three people sucks on rope, but it's great for bouldering.
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mtnsprts
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I boulder because I love it, and to build strength and spend time with friends doing something positive and staying in shape.
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mtnsprts
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I boulder because I love it, and to build strength and spend time with friends doing something positive and staying in shape.
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boulderpaul
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because sport climbing and trad climbing are stupid.
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amen that to whoever who type:
1.dont have to waste time setting up ropes and gear.
2. pad and chalking.
3. good training
4. Crags are a little hard to find. Boulders arnt that hard to locate.
i love bouldering alot becuz bouldeing is fun and enjoy figure out how to solve problem. learn how to balance and power. mother nature tried to beat you but you have to learn how to beat mother nature ( stone/rock/whatever you name it!) it s fun
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youmeanupthere
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I love to boulder but i wouldnt call myself a boulderer. I like sport/trad as much and would even like to learn to aid. I boulder because I dont have the leader head to throw some crazy v6 move 70 feet off the deck. Climbing hard is fun and i like the feeling of doing something that looks impossible. Plus, if i can do a v6 on a boulder, with some work in other areas i might be able to pull a 12. Although I would rather be 2000 feet up on a 5.7!!! It all sounds like a biggest dick contest. Sad. Maybe I should be more pc and say i climb for purely aesthetic and kinesthetic reasons. Its like the majic shared between the ocean tides and the moon...
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stoutclimb1
Oct 28, 2002, 8:37 PM
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because I can. Because i want to. ANd last but not least becus I cant eat pancakes. I cant spell either but thats not why I boulder
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thedreamingtree
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I boulder because there are no ratings on the boulders at my gym as opposed to walls. (Mind you I still hook up walls.)
No ratings = no intimidation.
just climb.
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jgill
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To enjoy the Poetry of Mountaineering, otherwise known as Instant Suffering.
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I used to hate bouldering - thought it was boring . But recently some friends and I have started playing add-on in the bouldering caves at a local climbing gym. We take turns trying to pull off crazy moves that nobody else can do. Over time, I have started to enjoy bouldering almost as much as I enjoy climbing. Plus I love being able to work on a tough move again and again until I nail it.
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I've found the only way I hate bouldering is when I'm alone and my opinion is the only one that applies. If I was in it for purity's sake, I'd solo, and lord knows I lack the balls for that. If I was really in it for the strength, I'd be a lot better by now. Since I own a full trad rack, and a rope, it can't be the money. It must be the climbing and the people. Kind of like single serving adventures (watch Fight Club to get the joke). I could fight up some V8 (which I emphatically can not do) and not have the same sense of accomplishment as finishing a 5.6 on lead. But then, I don't boulder to feel good about how well I climb, I boulder to feel good about the world in general.
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boulderpaul
Nov 5, 2002, 7:39 PM
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because ropes are for losers.
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vegastradguy
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I like bouldering when I'm bored and don't have anyone to belay me. I also use it as a training tool to get me stronger for harder trad routes. I will say that I pulled this nice little V3 the other day that I couldn't even touch a month ago, so that felt pretty good.
Personally, I prefer trad climbing. More specifically, I prefer being on the sharp end on a long multi-pitch route. But that's not to say that bouldering isn't worth while. it's all in what you want out of climbing. I think the same sentiment goes for sport climbing.
I refuse to bash any one type of climbing. If you're on the rock, you're a climber. Period. If you fall off the rock, you're a climber who just learned something new.
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lilred
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thegogirl
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Bouldering to me encompasses everything I can give and it will give it right back at me, in my face or on my a....s! : attention, strength and power, endurance and physiological challenges with mental stretches to scare myself crapless.
I tend to have a short but intense attention span and I like power and quick bold moves or powerful stretches of endurance (Reverse traverse in Rocktown is once such, a roof endurance problem) . Bouldering keeps my attention , my focus and helps me work every move I can muster, learn more and push myself harder......it makes top roping and sport climbing a breeze! Bouldering is also often a group or more friendly yet competitive sport so beta and opinions can be welcome....
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Dec 8, 2003, 1:27 AM
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I boulder to be able to climb harder routes.
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Damn straight - bouldering is pure. Pure fun, pure moves, pure workout, pure solitude or pure group psyche, (no more pures you got the picture), focus, training, means unto itself, frustration and resolution, key to power, a quick hit addiction, and metaphor for life.
I still am a climber and enjoy all aspects, but bouldering sometimes eclipses all my other climbing desires.
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Thats a question I try to avoid.. b/c when I think about it, it seems like climbing is the stupidest thing ever... but WHY do I want to do it 24/7... LOL but seriously, its a great feeling of accomplishment, and boudlering is so much easy to set up for... I get to lazy to put on a harness, get rope set up... tie the knot, belay, repeat... bouldering is easy to get ready for.. although I think I'm 50/50... I like both...
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karmaklimber
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In reply to: i don't boulder, it's too easy. bouldering is an instant gratification thing. what's going to last longer, that "hey, rad" feeling of sending V-hard in a day, or the "oh my f---ing god" euphoria of redpointing your hardest route ever after two weeks of work? you may have to wait through 15 minutes of belaying to get on a route, but then you get to climb 100ft worth of boulder problems
Bouldering, easy? Pick better problems. True, you may climb 100ft of boulder problems, but climbing 100ft of V0 problems is totally different than climbing 100ft of V2s and V3s. Personally, in my humble opinion, the euphoria of sending a project, whether it be a boulder problem that you've been working on for 2 weeks and finally worked out the correct sequence to send, or a sport lead where your elbows are starting to buckle because you're feeling pumped and you just manage to make the last clip and reach the anchor bolts, is the same- both are things you worked hard to accomplish, and succeeded.
But back to the original question at hand, I like bouldering because:
1) Convenient; just grab your shoes, pad, and chalkbag, and get to it. In the same amount of time you would spend in climbing routes, you can get in a good number of boulder problems and a good workout. Helps since I'm a student and between work, school, and a non-climbing girlfriend, time is limited.
2) Power and footwork: Bouldering helps you to focus and hone in on those skills, building power and developing better footwork.
3) Sequencing: Its easier, in my opinion, to develop your sequencing skills on boulder problems than routes. It allows you a greater number of trial&error attempts than climbing a route without the hassle of making your partner's harness ride up his/her groin area by hangdogging.
And like rrradam said, taking all the above points in summation: It helps me become a better, all-around climber.
Things I don't like about bouldering:
1) Its hard to keep up your endurance if all you do is boulder.
2) Since bouldering puts a repeated number of powerful moves on your body, it can be very taxing; I feel that there's a greater risk of finding myself with finger injuries or a shoulder injury when bouldering than climbing routes.
3) You deck every time you fall.
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I boulder because I have no choice.
I live in New York City. I have no car and I work a full time job. That means that my climbing is limited to Central Park bouldering after work on the weekdays and on Sundays. Otherwise it's all about the gym or the rare escape to the Gunks or Peterskill.
Don't get me wrong though. I love the bouldering I get to do. Bouldering is pure, clean, fun, and simple. It's a great workout and allows me to fine-tune my climbing. I've become a de-facto boulderer by default of my day-to-day life.
And you know what? All of those techie bouldering moves really do come in handy. Those tricky crimpy dyno heel hook moves can get you out of a tight spot and through a crux on a traditional crag every now and then.
But please, stop the whole "boulderer vs. trad/sport climber" thing. If this goes on, we might have to change the name of this website from "Rock Climbing.com" to "Skiers vs. Snowboarders" or "Skateboarders vs. Inliners".
Climbing is climbing, so just climb.
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cuz it is less contrived than sport. no "ifs," "buts," or "maybes," you either send or you don't. no hangdogging, no pinkpoints, no artificiality. dynamic, gymnastic moves, but with a trad, "ground up" ethic. the fact that you deck everytime you don't top out makes it the purest form of climbing.
I love pushing my limits both in bouldering and trad, but lately, sport has been seeming mighty artificial. I get the most out of climbing by bouldering and tradding.
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I find it I like bouldering because of its artistic qualities. Because you cannot hangdog and do not usually pause to long to rest or figure the next move, climbing becomes more "organic". Bouldering is either you can climb it or you cannot, while trad and sport and top rope get caught up in the red point, pink point, onsight, flash, head point, hang dog.
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In reply to: cuz it is less contrived than sport. no "ifs," "buts," or "maybes," you either send or you don't. no hangdogging, no pinkpoints, no artificiality. dynamic, gymnastic moves, but with a trad, "ground up" ethic.
Now I like bouldering a lot, so I'm not insulting it, but it is the most conrived form of climbing. Although it is not true in all places, a lot of boulder problems have certain holds that are on or off route, where they top out, if traversing is necessary. This being said, it is the "contrivedness" that makes it so challenging, which is why I enjoy doing it.
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I posed this question to a friend of mine one day, and he responded:
"Because I'm scared of heights."
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Powa I say, it's all about the powa!!!!!!!
bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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i love bouldering cause you don't have to think about anything other than the moves. no ropes, no gear, no head games with the heights, no wanky gear junkies... just the moves and the rock.
plus it just feels good!!
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I boulder because I'm a climber. I climb things.. like boulders!
It's just one blade if you will, in the climbing Swiss Army Knife that is Dingus Milktoast (a rather dull blade, maybe the nail file or something at that).
DMT
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I boulder because I don't have a partner to belay me, except on weekends when my wife can come with me. There's also something about bouldering that seems "closer" to the rock. Just my $.02. :D
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Because I haven't found a route like this or this
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I boulder because it is very low maintenance, and something about that makes it more of a meditation for me. I admit, I DO like the rhythm of a sport lead, but something about bouldering seems cleaner to me than roped climbing.
I simply love bouldering, and enjoy it as my main form of climbing as well as preparation for the hard sport routes I want to do in the future.
I know nothing about trad and don't really plan to find out. If that makes me a sissy in the traddies' eyes, so be it. I have mad respect for you guys, but no current desire to do what you do.
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i just like the freedom i don't like being tied in but i don't have the guts to free climb. i just love bouldering
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Y not?
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I AGREE!!!!! Get over it guys!
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me too!
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I boulder because there is more of a sense of freedom that roped climbing.
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I boulder when no one can go climbing and when im not in the mood to free solo.
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In reply to: why do you boulder?
Yeah, that's it. I boulder because I don't want to be insubordinate to God. When reckoning day comes, and I'm standing naked before God, and she asks: "What hast thoust done with the gift of boulders that I have given thee?" I will answer, truthfully: "I have not wasted thy gift, grand maker of boulders. Because I have sought out thy gift in all places, and I have learned from their intricate design, and I have sent these boulders, in accordance with thy will." Hallelujah
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In reply to: i don't boulder, it's too easy. bouldering is an instant gratification thing. what's going to last longer, that "hey, rad" feeling of sending V-hard in a day, or the "oh my f---ing god" euphoria of redpointing your hardest route ever after two weeks of work? you may have to wait through 15 minutes of belaying to get on a route, but then you get to climb 100ft worth of boulder problems.
I thought that bouldering grades actually surpassed the hardest rope climb?
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In reply to: i don't boulder, it's too easy. bouldering is an instant gratification thing. what's going to last longer, that "hey, rad" feeling of sending V-hard in a day, or the "oh my f---ing god" euphoria of redpointing your hardest route ever after two weeks of work? you may have to wait through 15 minutes of belaying to get on a route, but then you get to climb 100ft worth of boulder problems.
Bouldering is definitely not easy
some people spend longer than two weeks on just one boulder problem
and hey, bouldering is so much fun and way more social
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In reply to: i spent a winter in hueco listening to a bunch of sniveling posers wank about this and that V-hard that they had done or were going to do. that's when i realized that, for a lot of people, bouldering is much more ego gratifying because it's easier to move through the grades. i do have an open mind, but i also have an opinion.
You should base your opinion of boulderers on just a few people. I know a bunch of sick strong boulderers. To get them to talk numbers is like pulling teeth.
In my opinion bouldering is MUCH less grade driven than roped climbing. I spent a week bouldering in Bishop and never even looked at a guide book. I'd say we only knew the grade of the problem for about 10% of the ones we got on.
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To be a good boulderer you have to be a strong climber way more then sport except the the exception of 5-15 In either case there boiyth fun but being that i am a boulderer and can climb v8/9s now i hoped on a lead climb for the second time yesterday and did a 5-13d..... you tell me which is more powerfull??? With my experiance bouldering is alot funner and alot more challenging plus alot more dangerous and funner cause you dont have to sit and sit and sit and wait to climb 20 minutes on just one climb. But still both are rad but not even close to be anything of the same.
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sweet man i feel stupid for talking on here but nice call with the numbers i hate numbers...
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ok i think the real question here... more for some than others... is are you ignorant enough to just stick with one type of climbing with out at least trying others? And if so what gives you the right to judge another type of climbing? Ferthermore, what gives you the right to judge a person who does enjoy that type? i have heard and seen very few people say i do it for the fun of it. in most types of climbing. that is the reason you should climb. Now i know i am only 15 and i am a total n00b, but that is the best way to do anything, just do it because its fun. if you don't then it is likly to lose purpose and meaning making you more clumsy and ignorant inturn sending you to an inevitable doom sooner than one would like. lastly i make the point that mankind will never be happy with what he and or she possesces, in mans endless journy to achieve he will always fail because he never settels or acepts what hes has, his greed always portrays him to look fore more . very few people actualy have the abilty to live in the moment and are able to do what the love doing all the time. if you love climbing, then why downsize different asspects of it? climbing is climbing and if you love it so much, im sure that you would do what it takes to do it... no matter what type. not pointing out any specific people or anything, but this topic has come up about 4 times that i have seen in the past month, and people always downsize other types of climbing just because they don't like it or have never tried it. just because you don't like it does that mean it is impure, or boreing, or easy? i should hope not.... personaly i boulder for the fun of it... i do all sorts of climbing for the fun of it... cept for trad have not yet got to try that... or water solo... havn't got to try that either... but my point is climbing is for fun not for finding more reasons you don't like people or their choices, likes. sorry for being so ... um anilitical i guess... i sorta anilized that to death lol
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I do think the younger generation may have a point...(well analyzed sick_climba).
I like bouldering because its easy to do, by yourself, or with friends. I went to the climbing gym and the rock today....and to some climbers that would be heresy. To like both bouldering and rope climbing?? Nooo....can't be. I climb because I enjoy it, and I'll climb any chance I get, whether bouldering or top roping.
Can't we all just get along???
(Yeah....I know.... :D )
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i boulder when i either a) have no partner for the day or b) am feeling overly week and would like some power
lately i've been climbing at the gym due to bad weather and whenever i go there is no one to climb with, so boulder. and it's tons of fun just kinda hanging out talking to everyone, bouldering is definetly a social thing.
somedays i also just feel the need to work out bouldering, routes are great, and i'm awful at bouldering so ive been working on it. i think that it really helps my climbing routes.
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Ther is no difference between the both i think , Climbing is climbing and you should enjoy every bit of it whether its just bouldering,trad, or sport.Its all fun to me cause i can meet new people enjoy the hapiness and peace it gives me . So i love them both, I love Rope And Bouldering, I mean rope is fun cause I love how high you are you feel free with the world and bouldering is fun cause it practices on your balance and movement of what need when your doing a long route, and the freedom you have that is aswome cause you have no rope except a chalk bag and climbimg shoes and maybe a pad below you. Bouldering problems comes in different sizes and shapes and i love it all. Peace and much love to all the hardworking and motivated climbers out there.
BUDDHA :P
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bouldering to me is a lot like showing up at an outdoor basketball court and playing a pickup game. i love it because you can show up with your shoes, your chalk, and your friends if they can make it, and even if your friends can't make it you can still get your climb on. just like you can't blame the refs in streetball, with bouldering it's just you and the rock and you have to work it out.
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I have ony recently begun bouldering but i really enjoy it. Being able to do really powerful moves without getting too pumped feels great. I also like it because u can have go after go after go, and before you realise it you start becoming alot stronger...
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Because it's a good way to stay in shape for me and train (i've got my own woodie) and you don't need much stuff.
But, it isn't the only style I climb.I do sport, trad and indoor as well.
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In reply to: Because it's a good way to stay in shape for me and train (i've got my own woodie) and you don't need much stuff. But, it isn't the only style I climb.I do sport, trad and indoor as well. |
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cause its great...................although all forms of climbing are great...........especially trad.............bouldering is just more accesable for me especially when time is short............
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Because I am way to ADD to wait and belay, Rope set ups waste time I could be climbing.
Also there is a lot less comitment to a boulder problem. If I start a boulder problem and find it boring then i up and move on, no draws to retrieve or anchor setups or partner who doesn't wanan be left without a belay
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Because I can go out with limited time and actually climb without waiting to flake out a rope, belay for 20 minutes, clean a route etc. I love all climbing, but I have a tendency to boulder the most, because it is more social, and easier to do with my wife and kids!! :D
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In reply to: Come-on. I mean sure bouldering is "cute", but no where near a pure form of climbing. If you guys want pure, go free soloing at your limit. Don't see any boulderers doing that. Now that's a pure form of climbing. Not jumping on a crash pad.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/photos/jump.cgi?Detailed=42048 pure enough for you?
I like to boulder, and thats that. I honestly don't give a damn if its pure or not, its fun. I also like to do longer trad routes, why? because once again ITS FUN. I also sport climb. why? because ITS FUN end of story.
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In reply to: In reply to: Come-on. I mean sure bouldering is "cute", but no where near a pure form of climbing. If you guys want pure, go free soloing at your limit. Don't see any boulderers doing that. Now that's a pure form of climbing. Not jumping on a crash pad. http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/photos/jump.cgi?Detailed=42048 pure enough for you? I like to boulder, and thats that. I honestly don't give a damn if its pure or not, its fun. I also like to do longer trad routes, why? because once again ITS FUN. I also sport climb. why? because ITS FUN end of story. |
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Nice solo, I have one of my own.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=ListPhoto&PhotoID=39697
At first I bouldered for the fun of it, then as I got better for the challenge, when things got pretty ugly in my world I started climbing harder (bouldering) , the harder I climbed the more disconnected I felt from the world, for a short time I was free, seperated from my demons, and when I came back from this other relm, I felt etherial, water like, almost as if the forces of life could pass through me instead of against me, weightless.
Now I boulder in a weightless relm where peace and fury coinside, balanced.
M.
In reply to: In reply to: Come-on. I mean sure bouldering is "cute", but no where near a pure form of climbing. If you guys want pure, go free soloing at your limit. Don't see any boulderers doing that. Now that's a pure form of climbing. Not jumping on a crash pad. http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/photos/jump.cgi?Detailed=42048 pure enough for you? I like to boulder, and thats that. I honestly don't give a damn if its pure or not, its fun. I also like to do longer trad routes, why? because once again ITS FUN. I also sport climb. why? because ITS FUN end of story. |
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25 years ago the discussion taking place in this thread would not have been necessary.
everybody bouldered.
everybody did short/hard/free (i.e., 1 - 3 pitch free climbs such as are found at arch rock)
everybody did long/hard/free (i.e. middle cathedral, tahquitz, sentinal rock, the rostrum, etc)
everybody walled -- at least, most people managed to hack their way up the column or the nose or whatever.
everybody took a stab at ice, and alpine climbing.
it was all about being a well-rounded climber -- long before the media-driven balkinization of climbing pidgeonholed the categories to the point where various "camps" developed.
in the introduction to "basic rockcraft", royal robbins writes quite eloquently about the various branches of the tree of mountaineering. it should be required reading for everyone who has posted to this thread -- especially the last few pages of it.
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In reply to: Nice solo, I have one of my own. http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=ListPhoto&PhotoID=39697 At first I bouldered for the fun of it, then as I got better for the challenge, when things got pretty ugly in my world I started climbing harder (bouldering) , the harder I climbed the more disconnected I felt from the world, for a short time I was free, seperated from my demons, and when I came back from this other relm, I felt etherial, water like, almost as if the forces of life could pass through me instead of against me, weightless. Now I boulder in a weightless relm where peace and fury coinside, balanced. M. In reply to: In reply to: Come-on. I mean sure bouldering is "cute", but no where near a pure form of climbing. If you guys want pure, go free soloing at your limit. Don't see any boulderers doing that. Now that's a pure form of climbing. Not jumping on a crash pad. http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/photos/jump.cgi?Detailed=42048 pure enough for you? I like to boulder, and thats that. I honestly don't give a damn if its pure or not, its fun. I also like to do longer trad routes, why? because once again ITS FUN. I also sport climb. why? because ITS FUN end of story.
love that pick dude! killer climb.
Climb on
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I think that saying that bouldering is the most pure form of climbing is not a fair statement. Sure it takes the least amount of equipt. and it is just you and the rock but that doesn't mean a thing. Each form of climbing is beautiful in its own form, and is pure in its own way. Even though I consider myself a sport climber more than anything, I feel that bouldering will give you a solid foundation in any form of climbing that may be your forte`. Bouldering definitely is the best way to learn Technique, and that is why I consider it a must to be better when roped in. But I don't think that one can say that any area of climbing is more pure than others. Climbing is all about going up against something that is kicking your ass and overcoming it whether it takes a few hours to do that, or if it takes you months to do it. I hope that you will learn to appreciate all the areas whether trad, sport, alpine, aid, or bouldering and see the beauty and the influence that they all have on each other.
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I'm 46 years old and I have been involved in bouldering for 23 years, why?
Fuck, I don't know.
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sick_climba
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In reply to: I think that saying that bouldering is the most pure form of climbing is not a fair statement. Sure it takes the least amount of equipt. and it is just you and the rock but that doesn't mean a thing. Each form of climbing is beautiful in its own form, and is pure in its own way. Even though I consider myself a sport climber more than anything, I feel that bouldering will give you a solid foundation in any form of climbing that may be your forte`. Bouldering definitely is the best way to learn Technique, and that is why I consider it a must to be better when roped in. But I don't think that one can say that any area of climbing is more pure than others. Climbing is all about going up against something that is kicking your ass and overcoming it whether it takes a few hours to do that, or if it takes you months to do it. I hope that you will learn to appreciate all the areas whether trad, sport, alpine, aid, or bouldering and see the beauty and the influence that they all have on each other.
Climb on
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bouldering has a low level of commitment. people who boulder EXCLUSIVELY have commitment issues :P
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People still boulder?
Drytooling is the new bouldering.
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However,
I do believe the hard men of that era, Royal Robins, Pat Ament, Jgill etc... would have agreed, climbing isn't always about climbing, in many cases its a distension from our selves, like anything that seperates us temporarily from our every day normality, a magical place of peace and balance, any kind of euphoric activity such as this can suspend us, and to say that talking to others and LEARNING from their ideas and wisdom is redundant, I.E. "why do you boulder", is no better than saying that asking questions is stupid, typically the people who ask the questions are the ones who are thinking. And in case anyone noticed this is a bouldering forum . So if we feel that we need to share or talk with our iron hand micro crimping brethern, WE fu*king will.
That includes down to the fine print of ANYTHING we feel like that pertains to bouldering. So anyone who thinks that topic is stupid, pull u'r head from your ass and directly place it on top of a shotgun.
Cheers Matt.
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In reply to: 25 years ago the discussion taking place in this thread would not have been necessary. everybody bouldered. everybody did short/hard/free (i.e., 1 - 3 pitch free climbs such as are found at arch rock) everybody did long/hard/free (i.e. middle cathedral, tahquitz, sentinal rock, the rostrum, etc) everybody walled -- at least, most people managed to hack their way up the column or the nose or whatever. everybody took a stab at ice, and alpine climbing. it was all about being a well-rounded climber -- long before the media-driven balkinization of climbing pidgeonholed the categories to the point where various "camps" developed. in the introduction to "basic rockcraft", royal robbins writes quite eloquently about the various branches of the tree of mountaineering. it should be required reading for everyone who has posted to this thread -- especially the last few pages of it. |
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In reply to: 25 years ago the discussion taking place in this thread would not have been necessary.
COME ON, you really expect people today, to want to be well rounded climbers !?!?!?!
GOOOOSHHH
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I've been reading through these pages and I think it's pretty funny how many people are fighting over who can piss in the wind the furthest. Are rope climbers more pure than boulderers or vice versa, who cares? I've seen rope climbers that couldn't climb a ladder if they had to... I've seen boulderer's posing as if they just won a shopping spree at REI...I only wish I could climb like some rope climbers...I've seen boulderers with steel balls...I've bouldered what rope climbers wouldn't touch...and everything in between. The answer to "which is better" is a fallacy. I know I would rather be on rope than boulder...I know if I stay off a rope too long my endurance and commitment declines. But for me, if I don't boulder enough, I lose my mental edge. For me, if I can do it without rope (to a certain degree), it builds confidence. It all depends on the climber. I see this issue raised everywhere.
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I like the problem solving. Although it's not as mentally challenging as other things i've done in my life, i've found it a living metaphore for life and the trials and tribulations you have to overcome. To get detailed, any independent person out there is defined by 2 things. A drive (get to the top!), and no one there supporting him or helping him along as a safety net.. (kinda like a belayer.. ironic!) And sometimes you can be holding on to almost nothing, just a little pinch or front point of hope.. and still previal. It all depends on how hard you're willing to hold on. That's about it in a nutshell.
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good input slackman
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In reply to: bouldering has a low level of commitment. people who boulder EXCLUSIVELY have commitment issues :P
Climb on
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I agree that all climbing is pure, spiritual, and therapeutic. I boulder more than climb, because I am often pressed for time, alone, or without equip. Not to mention, while traveling the coast, there are millions of boulder opts. Though when my Sister and her BF are visiting from Sicily, or me and my bros trip to Castle Rock, it's all rope. The debate over which is better is like margerine vs. butter. It depends on your exposure, location, and tastes. As long as your feet and hands are on the rock, sweat is clouding your eyes, and finally taking of your shoes is slightly orgasmic, I'm not hatin on you, I'm stoked for your sesh.
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+1
Its all abou the climbing whether your on a home wall in the back yard or your on a 1000 ft. pitch. Love for the rock.
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to get free meds from the add bolderers. and to tag their chicks when the sissies pass out trying to keep up drinkin with me
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as will smith said, "its me against the world"....
Welll I boulder cause its just me and the wall... no one else is concerned. I can in 1 second be challenged to breaking point on a boulder problem, in fact for the entire time I am bouldering I can be challenged to as much as I can handle.
Climbing is not the same, there are plenty of places in a climb where it is easy, or you are just moving through some good protection untill you get to the lesser protection higher up.
Plus main reason, I cant afford the gear, I dont always have someone to climb with, and its quicker to boulder between study and work than to climb. There ar also more boulder locations closer to me than climbing locations.
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I boulder because I feel like bouldering is very technical, there are a small number of moves that must be done in a certain order... and I like the way you have to think about it and execute it. I feel like it helps trad climbers because you dont have the feeling of being on a rope and you have to problem solve throughout your trad climb.
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In reply to: Nice solo, I have one of my own. http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=ListPhoto&PhotoID=39697 At first I bouldered for the fun of it, then as I got better for the challenge, when things got pretty ugly in my world I started climbing harder (bouldering) , the harder I climbed the more disconnected I felt from the world, for a short time I was free, seperated from my demons, and when I came back from this other relm, I felt etherial, water like, almost as if the forces of life could pass through me instead of against me, weightless. Now I boulder in a weightless relm where peace and fury coinside, balanced. M.
you call that a solo? sheesh. THIS is hardcore soloing:
http://img.photobucket.com/...chizado/boulding.jpg
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I started bouldering a week ago. A friend asked if I wanted to go and I had nothing to do. After that session I was hooked. The feeling of summitting after trying and failing a lot is the greatest reward ever. Now you can find me on the boulders of Santa Barbara any night of the week.
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Why do I boulder?
-Because I like to wear a knit beanie, wife-beater, and baggy pants.
-Because I say words like "sick" and "phat" and "skillz" a lot.
To me, bouldering is a lot like masturbation. Yeah, I do it. Everybody does it. I just don't want to talk about it.
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When I first started climbing, I started on a rope. I loved it because I love being up high. Then my friend showed me what bouldering was. Its hard cause you need a lot of upper body strength. I love working on probs. and making those power moves. But I got introduced to sport climbing, and I LOVED IT! But Boulderg is great to get out and to keep fit and work out. I was at Earth Trecks the other day. If you love to boulder you should go there. That place is amazing! Its worth the trip
CLIMB SAFE,
Justin
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sick_climba
Jul 9, 2005, 3:42 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Nice solo, I have one of my own. http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=ListPhoto&PhotoID=39697 At first I bouldered for the fun of it, then as I got better for the challenge, when things got pretty ugly in my world I started climbing harder (bouldering) , the harder I climbed the more disconnected I felt from the world, for a short time I was free, seperated from my demons, and when I came back from this other relm, I felt etherial, water like, almost as if the forces of life could pass through me instead of against me, weightless. Now I boulder in a weightless relm where peace and fury coinside, balanced. M. you call that a solo? sheesh. THIS is hardcore soloing: http://img.photobucket.com/...chizado/boulding.jpg
Climb on
Chris
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noman668
Jul 9, 2005, 11:59 PM
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...but can he press out the mantle???
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talus_
Jul 10, 2005, 12:37 AM
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i sure do seem to have this discussion a lot. my climbing partners are not big into bouldering. yet i love, love, love it. my job is complicated and stressful-- just like trad-- though i lead onb a regular basis and love the beautiful mountain places it takes me. sport cloibing is great and i enjoy working the crux out on a hard route and hitting the anchors. but i get both of these things from bouldering. hitting the boulders in eldorado canyon last weekend i was in a truly beautful place and the cruxes-- well, bouldering is only cruxes.
as far as committemnt goes.. every fall bouldering is a ground fall. and some of those boulders are pretty damn high.
cheers to some great responses in this thread
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mattmax45
Jul 12, 2005, 12:43 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Nice solo, I have one of my own. http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=ListPhoto&PhotoID=39697 At first I bouldered for the fun of it, then as I got better for the challenge, when things got pretty ugly in my world I started climbing harder (bouldering) , the harder I climbed the more disconnected I felt from the world, for a short time I was free, seperated from my demons, and when I came back from this other relm, I felt etherial, water like, almost as if the forces of life could pass through me instead of against me, weightless. Now I boulder in a weightless relm where peace and fury coinside, balanced. M. you call that a solo? sheesh. THIS is hardcore soloing: http://img.photobucket.com/...chizado/boulding.jpg
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That's some sick shit dog, U da man.
Keep crankin hard.
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jt512
Jul 12, 2005, 1:03 AM
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In reply to: My climbing partner (maculated) is a sport climber where I am a boulderer. Recently she asked my why I like bouldering more then climbing tied in. I gave her this answer her: I believe that bouldering is more pure the climbing with a rope. There are no other things to consider, it is truly just you and the rock.
Yeah, you, the rock, and 4 truly pure moves in a row; 5 with the truly pure sit start.
-Jay
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dirtineye
Jul 16, 2005, 12:59 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: My climbing partner (maculated) is a sport climber where I am a boulderer. Recently she asked my why I like bouldering more then climbing tied in. I gave her this answer her: I believe that bouldering is more pure the climbing with a rope. There are no other things to consider, it is truly just you and the rock. Yeah, you, the rock, and 4 truly pure moves in a row; 5 with the truly pure sit start. -Jay
Not so fast there JT. I have a 200+ foot boulder problem-- circumnavigates a rather large boulder.
But to answer the original question, I boulder because I like it. Got any more easy questions?
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climbinginchico
Jul 16, 2005, 1:12 AM
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I boulder as a last resort when I can't climb anything else. I would even sport climb before bouldering. :wink:
In all seriousness, I do enjoy bouldering, but I prefer trad, then sport, then being shot with a .45, then being kicked in the nuts, and finally bouldering.
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jt512
Jul 16, 2005, 3:45 AM
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In reply to: Not so fast there JT. I have a 200+ foot boulder problem-- circumnavigates a rather large boulder.
I think we need a ruling from Some Real Boulderers on that one. In the meantime, I'm going to take the position that that is not a boulder problem. It's a traverse. To my way of thinking, boulder problems, by definition, should have relatively few moves.
-Jay
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dirtineye
Jul 16, 2005, 3:52 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Not so fast there JT. I have a 200+ foot boulder problem-- circumnavigates a rather large boulder. I think we need a ruling from Some Real Boulderers on that one. In the meantime, I'm going to take the position that that is not a boulder problem. It's a traverse. To my way of thinking, boulder problems, by definition, should have relatively few moves. -Jay
Killjoy.
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rickrock77
Jul 16, 2005, 10:27 AM
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The 3 best climbers I know all enjoy bouldering.
Everyone else that I have climbed with who consider themselves to be good climbers are good, but they think bouldering is a waste of time. So I figure if the best that I know boulder, I sure should be doing it to aide my climbing skills. Plus for numerous other reasons, like the intensity, and being able to quickly get to the hard part of the problem, and then work it out over a week or 4 or however long it takes. Then suddenly I can do the boulder problem, and it is no longer a problem, so I can see instantly a small part of my technique has improved to aid me in this problem.
Also surprised to see jt512 and dirtineye, give recognition to bouldering, its good to see, as I thought you both were only trad climbers. Not that there is anything wrong with that I just that that was your element.
Cool .
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yo_escalado
Jul 17, 2005, 6:40 PM
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bouldering is awesome and I agree with the whole 'you set up 15 min to climb for 5'. But I still enjoy climbing with the harness. And in Central New York we dont have anything taller than a bouldering rock anyways.
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dirtineye
Jul 17, 2005, 11:54 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Not so fast there JT. I have a 200+ foot boulder problem-- circumnavigates a rather large boulder. I think we need a ruling from Some Real Boulderers on that one. In the meantime, I'm going to take the position that that is not a boulder problem. It's a traverse. To my way of thinking, boulder problems, by definition, should have relatively few moves. -Jay
I'll try again with better bait.
It's a BOULDER, and getting all the way around it is a PROBLEM. Therefore, it's a boulder problem.
If it were 30 feet up, it would be a bolder boulder problem.
Dear ricrock, JT is a sport climber. I think you may have insulted him.
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rickrock77
Jul 18, 2005, 2:20 AM
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Its kind of hard not to insult someone on this board. Especially with all of us fussy climbers. Leaste I havnt mentioned the O word... not that any of us are old thankfully...
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thesean
Aug 25, 2005, 6:33 PM
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Yup, I agree. It's the essence of climbing. Much more spiritual, too.
Just my opinion.
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flatstateclimber
Sep 4, 2005, 3:32 AM
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I boulder because it fits my life. I live in Florida. I don't get weeks to work a route outdoors. If I can't solve a problem on a weekend trip to the stone, I have to wait a few months to try again. Gym climbing sucks, but it's at least social. Most of the points I would make have already been made on this thread, so here's a n00b haiku:
The boulder and I,
A pure adrenaline high,
Can't send that V5
I won't put down any other climbing due to lack of experience outdoors. I'm a gym rat by necessity (Florida lacks boulder fields, or big walls for sure). I do know that I hate hang dogging on a 5.11b to make a V3 deadpoint move at the end of the route. I can work that move a few times on a boulder. Not really possible 30 feet off the deck...
But what do I know? I'm just a n00b.
--BJ
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docontherock
Sep 4, 2005, 4:30 AM
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Someone on a similar thread once said, "Bouldering is like masturbation. We all do it at least a little, some people do it alot, but it's no substitute for the real thing."
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curt
Sep 4, 2005, 5:01 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: My climbing partner (maculated) is a sport climber where I am a boulderer. Recently she asked my why I like bouldering more then climbing tied in. I gave her this answer her: I believe that bouldering is more pure the climbing with a rope. There are no other things to consider, it is truly just you and the rock. Yeah, you, the rock, and 4 truly pure moves in a row; 5 with the truly pure sit start. -Jay
4 or 5 moves that you and most avid sport climbers could never ever do. :wink:
Curt
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rufusandcompany
Sep 4, 2005, 6:51 AM
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I believe that the real reason for the current popularity in bouldering - to the exclusion of roped climbing - is a reflection of the American attitude in general; we are a nation of people who have been conditioned to want instant gratification. It shows everywhere in this society. Bouldering is the closest thing to instant climbing gratification that there is. It gives you a taste of hard climbing, an easier way to top numbers and spraying rights, and it takes much less effort to gain success.
I have been a climber for years. I have climbed at high numbers, sported the sponsorship, and logged thousand of hours bouldering on plastic and rock, but it was training for a higher reward - success on involved, high-end trad and sport routes. There is no feeling of accomplishment like knowing that you have laid it all out for those anchors - full on commitment.
Climbers in other parts of the world know this. They all boulder, but they rope up all the time. In many ways, we have become a very spoiled and lazy nation.
Don't get me wrong. bouldering is the shit, but it is only a part of the thrill equation. Success on hard-earned routes stays with you a lot longer. The up side of bouldering at the current level is that these people are going to shatter the current grade caps when roping up becomes popular again. It has already starting to happen.
People like Chris Sharma, Josune Bereziartu, and Yuji Hirayama are visionaries. They will hopefully inspire the next wave of roped climbers. Watching the footage of Yuji onsighting White Zombie was what climbing is all about.
When you limit yourself to one aspect of this sport, you really weaken your fulfillment potential.
KC
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docontherock
Sep 4, 2005, 7:46 PM
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In reply to: When you limit yourself to one aspect of this sport, you really weaken your fulfillment potential. KC
Absolutely true! All this contention about bouldering vs. sport vs. trad vs. aid is quite infantile. Sort of like football vs. soccer vs. .....whatever back when we were in high school. Any mature adult should be able to appreciate different sports/styles of sport for what they offer the individual. Climbing is more about an overall experience than whether one style is better or "more pure" than another. IMHO, if you are climbing for reasons other than health, happiness, or oneness with nature you should pick another activity. Spray about your last project amounts to about the same as the pre-"match" interviews in the WWF (or whatever it's called now) in my book.
Climb (however you choose) because you love it and it makes you happy, not because it makes you "cool", "extreme", or "hardcore".
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damon99
Sep 4, 2005, 9:54 PM
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:deadhorse: :troll: :drama:
Damn it, I hate this posts.. why do you boulder? wtf?? do you realy care why do I boulder? what info are you getting out of this? deep philosophical meaning on life and everything around you?
these posts are stupid, and should be banned from the site.
why do you boulder..
hold on, let me ask a question now, that we can "discuss".. ready? drumsticks... dim light.... silence!..... why are you the way you are?.. everybody, lets get in a circle, and discuss it!
:wtf:
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rufusandcompany
Sep 4, 2005, 10:34 PM
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In reply to: :deadhorse: :troll: :drama: Damn it, I hate this posts.. why do you boulder? wtf?? do you realy care why do I boulder? what info are you getting out of this? deep philosophical meaning on life and everything around you? these posts are stupid, and should be banned from the site. why do you boulder.. hold on, let me ask a question now, that we can "discuss".. ready? drumsticks... dim light.... silence!..... why are you the way you are?.. everybody, lets get in a circle, and discuss it! :wtf:
This post is another example in support of the argument against Intelligent Design.
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damon99
Sep 4, 2005, 11:16 PM
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hey maahn, you gotta make you post look "pretty".. :roll:
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rufusandcompany
Sep 4, 2005, 11:45 PM
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In reply to: hey maahn, you gotta make you post look "pretty".. :roll:
I rest my case. lol
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tyler_the_boulderer
Sep 5, 2005, 8:56 PM
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I boulder because its incredibly fun, and in my eyes, more physically challenging than climbing. Doing a cave problem is way harder than doing an overhang climb.
I also boulder because, simply put, i get shaky at very high heights.
Plus dyanos are so cool!
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asandh
Sep 5, 2005, 9:33 PM
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I never boulder. I am a filthy rich Trad Climber. I never climb anything unless I can hang enough gear on my body to add at least 50% to my normal weight.
I just bought a bunch of new gear today, on sale of course, even though I didn't need it. I will just throw my old cams away.
Bouldering is for poor people :D
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rufusandcompany
Sep 6, 2005, 8:08 AM
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In reply to: Doing a cave problem is way harder than doing an overhang climb.
So how do you qualify that statement? If your statement is true, then Martini Roof is harder than Realization. :righton:
Threads like this, other than being inane, aren't even entertaining.
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yanqui
Sep 8, 2005, 9:08 PM
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In reply to: Watching the footage of Yuji onsighting White Zombie was what climbing is all about. KC
I suppose I must be one of those guys who's mainly interested in instant gratification, because this is so far from the truth for me, that it's kinda funny.
Don't get me wrong: except for aid (which I've pretty much avoided), I've enjoyed just about all types of climbing, right down to snow slogs up volcanoes. But as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather spend ANY afternoon with my wife and friends farting around on some unrated and unknown boulder problems, than spend time watching some video of some guy I don't know "onsighting" some route I've never seen, even if that route really is 14b. Might be great for him, but what the hell difference does it make to me?
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keinangst
Sep 8, 2005, 9:41 PM
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It's cheaper, quicker, and less commitment than roped climbing. Also, the negative consequences (injuries, death) tend to be less likely.
At this point in my life, I've got enough going on as a newlywed, 50-hr/wk career guy to be able to regularly dedicate full days/weekends to roped climbing.
So it just sort of works out that I get twice the burn in half the time by bouldering. The combination of accomplishment with little risk, and adventure with little commitment, just fits into my life better at this point.
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lazyjammin
Sep 8, 2005, 9:45 PM
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I boulder to get strong for the real climbing. Plus its fun. :D
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wrasler
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Bouldering is for losers who have no endurance. I have a friend who boulders v6. I put him on a 5.8, and guess what happened, you guessed it, he didn't even finish it. Flash pumped after 15 ft pathetic like all you boulderers. The only reason I boulder is to get my crimp strength. I also have a friend who climbs 5.14a, and he can't even do v5. So it works both ways, but i would rather have endurance than power. i'm not a good boulderer but I bet i have more power endurance than most of you ha.
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zao479
Sep 9, 2005, 1:11 AM
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I boulder because I don't have any climbing partners, and I haven't yet found a way to belay myself. Plus I don't have to plan my day around bouldering. I can go after work and get some rock time at one of two different places in my home town.
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rainontin
Sep 9, 2005, 1:19 AM
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Boulderers have the best weed :!:
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littlecheetah
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My climbing partner (for sport) was distraught when I started getting into bouldering more. I like it more because I can perfect certain moves and when bouldering with a group of friends its nice to be able to work a problem together. I like sport as well but sometimes when sport climbing I feel like I'm just trying to get through a move to get to my next bolt whereas when bouldering I tend to focus on my technique more because I'm not so focused on making the clip.
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rickdawg
Dec 15, 2005, 3:55 AM
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When I waz a yout(my uncle Vinnie)we had ta climb over dez big bouldas,postahola in da snow uphill boat wayz to schuul.OLD GUYZ DO I HERE AN AMEN!!As I grew olda I came to HATE SNOW(What am I doin in Montuky!) and LOVE DRY ROCK!Drive right up to my climbing OR posthola 6000 feet up a misrable garbage shuut ofa couliar(Nutten cool about dem)just ta realiaz I dun spent 2 much tym atda alllltetud LOL.So I likes bouldas way,way betta!!!:twisted:
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Jan 9, 2006, 8:44 AM
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I boulder because I like coming home from a problem as sore as a 2 dollar whore, and knowing that I'm going to get up and do the exact same thing the next day until I can't move my arms again.
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