im taking the other 3 i bought from REI back tommorow given all the other threads about them

In a few days I will be condensing the various Alien threads into one or perhaps two threads for future reference. If you have further general discussion to add to the issue then do feel free to post to the original threads.

Let’s all move away from the keyboard and give the man some room now that he has issued the recall.

I`m really wanting to encourage all of us to stick to the facts as they are now known and remove the hysteria from the threads from this point forward. As I said I am not wanting to discourage legitimate debate. Let`s all move away from the keyboard and give the man some room now that he has issued the recall.

Do feel free to drop new news into this thread and keep debate in one of the other threads.

If you are not sure if your cams are included in the recall, please contact us at
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I hesitate to say that we are owed anything by CCH, but it seems to me that it would be prudent for Dave and CCH to be a little more transparent. The CCH recall sucessfully answers what? but does little to address the equally important question of why?. When I climb I am constantly asking why it is that we do things a certain way or that certain things work and others don't. It would be difficult for me to have confidence in an Alien, with or without the Dimple of Defectiveness, without understanding why the dimple denotes a defective cam. I will refrain from repeating the various explanations that others have offered, but suffice to say that the different explanations for the dimple may have significantly different ramifications.


I think that until this is clarified, not only will I not be buying any Aliens of my own, but I will not be climbing above any from my partner's rack either.

Babe, I did not cancel the order for your camelots. I talked with the man at mountain tools and he said he would not discourage me from canceling but that everyone was making a mountain out of a mole hill. You can send him any questions you have on email and he will answer plus alien will be posting a large explanation of the failure of one camelot. Your camelots are not even ready and they will be checked thoroughly and even more thoroughly because of the failure before they are sent both by alien and mountain tools the seller

It's intriguing isn't it? I would love to know what it indicates. Let 13 pages of speculation ensue! :)

I find the influence of rc.com on the industry in the US fascinating. The mgear test, the CCH recall etc. were all unlikely to happen (at least not as promptly) without the pressure put on by the members of rc.com.

Hey Everyone,

I've got almost a whole rack on order and in a fit of hysteria yesterday (after reading all these boards) rang my mom in the states and asked her to cancel the order. I regretted it after spending two hours at home realizing that although this is all serious, it's not the end of the world.

My mom (jeez, she's awesome) rang CCH and sent me this email:


Anyway, I guess I'm just saying that CCH will be providing information very soon, and it might be a good idea for everybody to calm down a bit and hold off making any rash decisions or statements until they have a chance to actually investigate. I wouldn't post until I had all the facts if I were them either. Also, I think flaming them for not running around to the 100+ worldwide climbing boards and posting every single bit of information or misinformation is b.s. I'm sure they'll post the moment they have enough information to make a coherent statement. If you have questions in the meantime, it may be better to ask them via email instead of asking a bunch of anonymous board-monkeys... just a thought... :wink:

Most of us anonymous board monkeys know that CCH has nothing to do with camelots, which are made by Black Diamond.

How about you?

DMT

Most of us anonymous board monkeys know that CCH has nothing to do with camelots, which are made by Black Diamond.

How about you?

DMT

Geez Dingus... :roll:

RE: Letter To CCH

I just got off the phone with Dave at CCH after calling him to let him know about the above email. Though obviously very busy he did answer the phone and take some time to speak with me. He understandably probably can't fully respond to all of the above answers immediately and does not currently have all the information yet himself(like whether Kevin's orange cam that sparked all this or the 3 MGear cams that failed testing had the dimple marking). I let him know I'm not looking for an immediate response but rather would prefer he wait until he feels he can reasonably craft a response that addresses my[/our] concerns.

Dave expressed a clear understanding that there may be lingering questions and doubts not specifically addressed by the Brazing Recall notice and a sincere desire to address all those concerns. He definitely "gets it" that he has fiercely loyal customers that nevertheless still have some [legitimate] doubts about their cams.

I attempted to reiterate that I am one of those customers, use his products, and that I felt that every climbing gear manufacturer we have is "precious" and valued and absolutely no one wants to see him do anything but continue to make and sell the products that have built him a this vocal following.

So again, Dave said he would respond to the questions in my letter and we may all see his response at the same time, but if his response comes via email I will let everyone know at that time. So let's give him a some time to get on with this recall, do some more research, and get back to us.

Joseph Healy
Portland, Oregon