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Johnny_Fang
May 23, 2009, 5:42 PM
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adatesman wrote: The address is ***. Be sure to tag EVERYTHING with your name and and notate the complete history of the cam to the best of your ability. Probably best to just tag with name and then a number that corresponds to the history on a separate sheet. -aric.
Make sure you screen anyone coming to your house to see if they have an eastern European accent. When you ask who it is, if they respond, "Not Nadia," just head straight for the safe room. Or maybe PM people your address...
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adatesman
May 23, 2009, 6:11 PM
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KevinC
May 23, 2009, 9:33 PM
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Hey Aric, thanks for doing the x-sections and posting the pics! Pretty scary stuff.
I'll be sending you some Aliens for you to break including a red one from 11/02 that I just pulled off of my wife's rack because of the similar date and appearance to the one you just broke. These are either brand new bought as back-ups (since they were were hard to find at certain times of year) or ones within the recall dates that were sent back to be "tensile tested" but haven't made it back on my rack yet.
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adatesman
May 23, 2009, 9:43 PM
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altelis
May 23, 2009, 10:54 PM
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My poor student ass is sending in $20. If I can park my car illegally knowing my chances are good that I'll get a $30 ticket, I can give you (well, really us) $20  !
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rocknice2
May 23, 2009, 10:56 PM
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Your getting $20 from me.
I'm even sending green backs.
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gunkiemike
May 23, 2009, 11:32 PM
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adatesman wrote: Anyone happen to live/be up at the Gunks and has experience evaluating brazes? There's specific things I want in the test samples, but unless you know what I'm talking about it'll be difficult for you to pick out. -a.
I was in Rock & Snow this morning and took a close look at about 10-15 new Aliens there. All the brazes looked good: big healthy fillets with what appeared to be nice penetration of the brazing metal into the visible strands of the cable. Nothing suspicious at all, but - DISCLAIMER - everything I know about brazing I learned from this thread.
Oh, and I just PP'ed you $20.
Mike
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bill413
May 23, 2009, 11:43 PM
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I'm in - $5 - just addressed the envelope.
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adatesman
May 24, 2009, 12:02 AM
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notapplicable
May 24, 2009, 12:35 AM
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$20 is on it's way via snail mail.
Thanks for donating your time and equipment to this whole affair.
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majid_sabet
May 24, 2009, 1:08 AM
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So I was mentioning something about Alien to few mountain rescuers from France today who were visiting the area and they said they have few Aliens in their rack but they never heard of anything in Europe about them so I asked if I could see their rack and ohhh BOOOOOYYYYYYYY
These French Rangers were not happy.I guess,they are going to send a bunch back to CCH that fits in to recall category.
Here are few pictures of their rack and a broken one.
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gimmeslack
May 24, 2009, 1:26 AM
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$20 headed your way via paypal. It's a small price to pay to have some "independent" testing done. I hope everyone else who uses Aliens agrees.
If you come up short on cams, I'll sacrifice one of mine. Let's see how the cash/donation thing goes.
Majid, what's the story on decapitated cam?
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sungam
May 24, 2009, 2:15 AM
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notapplicable wrote: Thanks for donating your time and equipment to this whole affair.
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dynosore
May 24, 2009, 2:20 AM
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IsayAutumn wrote: To adatesman and altelis: (4) Maybe there's some new braze-eating acid that occurs naturally in Gunks rock that nobody knows about.
Yes, this makes sense. Clearly you have a good grasp of metallurgy and brazing.
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dynosore
May 24, 2009, 2:26 AM
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: adatesman wrote: In a word, no. A brazed wire rope connection can be up to 95-100% the strength rating of the wire rope, but that assumes a properly executed joint with proper flux, temperature, filler, etc. And seeing as the size wire rope spec'd for the stem you're needing the entirety of the wire rope's rated strength. Sorry Aric, you're pulling stuff out of your butt here. You clearly don't understand the mechanism of failure when the system is compromised. This isn't stuff you're going to find in a text book since they deal with. Please do some more research. Breaking a couple of cams really means nothing.
http://www.wwewirerope.com/aircraftcable/
Given the rated strength of the cams, and the diameter cable they're using, they need pretty much 100% cable strength i.e. no failure of the brazing, but instead a breakage of the cable at max load.
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dynosore
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angry wrote: Just to clarify, even though you can't pinpoint Laramie, you're still thinking that Sogdiana is from CCH? Other than the writing style is there more evidence? I only ask because most eastern block euros write the same. A few alien threads back, I posted an analogy that's right on. Imagine that for the same price, you can buy a new Porsche or a Camry. The caveat is that you have to test the brakes on the Porsche yourself as they could catastrophically fail. Of course if they fail the test, they will send you a new Porsche that you'll again have to test the brakes on. So do you get the slow economical car that you'll never have to worry about maintenance on or do you go for legendary performance but accept that you'll need to be a more hands on owner? Neither decision is more correct, those are just your choices.
Good analogy, except you should have used Jaguar. Beautiful and fast car, except they can drive themselves to the repair shop since they're so familiar with it. No matter how great are to drive, I'll never own another. If Porsche had catastrophic brake failures, I'd be posting from heaven.com
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May 24, 2009, 2:45 AM
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gimmeslack wrote: $20 headed your way via paypal. It's a small price to pay to have some "independent" testing done. I hope everyone else who uses Aliens agrees. If you come up short on cams, I'll sacrifice one of mine. Let's see how the cash/donation thing goes. Majid, what's the story on decapitated cam?
The ranger said he took a minor fall and the cam popped.
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dynosore
May 24, 2009, 2:52 AM
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20 dollahs coming your way.
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adatesman
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notapplicable
May 24, 2009, 3:27 AM
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I was thinking about the whole scam or fraud accusation thing earlier. If a tested cam fails in epic fashion, you can guarantee at least one person will claim you bribed a CCH employee to slip you factory rejects. 
Gotta love the internet!
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rocknice2
May 24, 2009, 3:38 AM
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Maybe we can hire this guy for quality control,
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sungam
May 24, 2009, 6:42 AM
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Hey A-man
Are we using the same screening accounts as last time (via the hungry children charity front) for moving the cash?
Everything' as you asked - with the added "danger pay" of 25% the original. That brings the total sum to just of 24 grand.
I'm sure that I don't need to stress that you only know me through this site, and that you know nothing of suncam's need to take over the alien patent before metolious. The cams will be delivered at the same dead-drop as the orange one used in last year's photo shoot, below trash can next to the third bench on the right when entering from the south.
Thanks again for helping us put these guys out of business. Suncam industries will be like a phoenix arising from the ashes of CCH.
-Magnus "Suncam" Johnson
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sungam
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SHITFUCK! That was meant to be a PM!
Now I'm truely fucked 
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