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ryanb
Mar 4, 2009, 4:52 PM
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Sonnie Trorrer and Ben Moon have written about hydration and tendons on their respective blogs/sites. I think the issue is that your tendons rehydrate slowly so if you're not well hydrated by the time you start climbing its all ready too late.
Steph Davies is vegan i think and has climbed 5.13 on gear for a number of years. She also answers questions on her blog:
http://www.highinfatuation.com/blog/
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climbingnoise
Mar 4, 2009, 9:56 PM
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thanks yall,
I'm going to pay more attention to hydration and vitamins. I also think I might stop bouldering for awhile and just do routes to work endurance and give my tendons a break ;)
A friend of mine said that when he started doing oppositional muscle excercises, like reverse wrist curls he stopped having forearm tendon issues so I'm thinking overtraining and a more rapid development of the climbing specific muscles might have more to do with my current issues than diet.
I've been sort of comparing myself to my crew hence the speculation though they have been climbing longer so it makes sense.
Another thing I'm thinking is that I am probably being impatient. As I have not been climbing that long it sort of makes sense that I'm climbing what I am and so I think I will try and relax a bit and just enjoy what I'm currently doing.
cheers
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Sin
Mar 5, 2009, 12:59 AM
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Hey Mista Brother Boc, I've seen you around, where you from specifically?
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brotherbbock
Mar 5, 2009, 1:43 AM
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I live in Rancho Cucamonga, train at Hangar 18 Upland and sometimes Riverside. I climb at Tahquitz, J-tree, New Jack City, Riverside Quarry, Big Bear Pinnacles, Red Rocks, Malibu Creek, and any other local area I can get my grimy hands on!
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totaled108
Mar 5, 2009, 2:56 AM
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Ha Ha!!!!
Well when was the last time you over head pressed 115lbs dumb bells, one in each hand, for 10 clean full range reps. YOu have to eat ALOT everyday. And its years of work. I have extra wieght because I stopped working out, and 4 year later I still eat lots of food, I love to eat good food. I know most people don't think the diet (vegeterian) can bring you good food. Well you have know how to cook. I also drink great Portland beer. So for about 4 years I ate alot and had lots of beer, I wonder how the wieght packed on. I was more like 40lbs overwieght when I was 220lbs. Odd though, i still could sprint faster then my old gym partner, who lifts far more wieght then I do, 450lbs squats, 315lbs bench.
I was 190lbs with I think 9% fat, i can't remember perfectly, at my peak.
This is all sounding gay to me. I'm going to shut up now. Nothing wrong with gay people, but I have moved on from that life style....... the wieght lifting life style, not the the gay one. 
No I don't track anything I 'intake'. When lifting I did. I was getting over 190 grams of protien a day. But now I just eat how I want, no fast food though. Tastes nasty anyways.
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rhei
Mar 5, 2009, 3:20 AM
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What I take away from reading through this thread is that (1) the source of the proteins, fats, and carbohydrates we eat doesn’t matter as much as whether they’re consumed in a sensible diet and (2) with a little thought, anyone can analyze their intake and figure out if supplements are called for.
That all sounds reasonable and the anecdotal consensus seems to support these ideas. But are there published studies that compare recovery time, endurance, or maximum exertion between vegetarian/vegan athletes and non-vegetarians in sports? Are those results consistent?
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totaled108
Mar 5, 2009, 3:48 AM
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I'm going to guess there are no published studies comparing the difference.
I'm sure though, that some people couldn't live without meat. A persons upbringing has alot to do with there tastes too. Though this has nothing to do with muscle tissue recovery, or increasing indurance.
You've got the idea though.
Lots of 'green' thinking people are going the veggie route because of how inefficient raising, feeding, and caring for thousands of cows (and other animals) is. It is a VERY poor way of raising food. Thousands of gallons and pounds of water and grain are wasted on the few pounds of meat that come out of each cow. But the vast majority of people have got the taste for meat. So they needs their meat.
Drunken messenging out.......
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rhythm164
Mar 5, 2009, 3:59 AM
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I think it depends on the person whether or not the source of the nutrients 'matters' or not. Personally, it matters to me where the food I eat comes from. I don't want to turn this thread into some whiney "I've vegetarian because..." affair, however I choose to spend my money in a fashion that supports industry I believe in. From a physiological perspective, no, as long as your diet is a balanced one, it matters little where your food comes from (unless you factor in extrinsic factors in terms of health risks from pesticides/herbicides and a highly meat dependent diet and the ethical quandaries GMO foods raise, but I digress).
I have never seen a study published regarding recover times of vegan, vegetarians, and meat eaters, also that might make interesting graduate work.
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I_do
Mar 5, 2009, 10:57 AM
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totaled108 wrote: I'm going to guess there are no published studies comparing the difference. I'm sure though, that some people couldn't live without meat. A persons upbringing has alot to do with there tastes too. Though this has nothing to do with muscle tissue recovery, or increasing indurance. You've got the idea though. Lots of 'green' thinking people are going the veggie route because of how inefficient raising, feeding, and caring for thousands of cows (and other animals) is. It is a VERY poor way of raising food. Thousands of gallons and pounds of water and grain are wasted on the few pounds of meat that come out of each cow. But the vast majority of people have got the taste for meat. So they needs their meat. Drunken messenging out.......
Google negates guessing luckily for you I'm bored
http://sportsci.org/jour/0201/cf-e.htm
Susan I. Barr PhDCorresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author, a and Candice A. Rideout PhD(C)a
a University of British Columbia, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Available online 19 June 2004.
Abstract
With the growing interest in the potential health benefits of plant-based diets, it is relevant to consider whether vegetarian dietary practices could influence athletic performance. Accordingly, this review examines whether nutrients that may differ between vegetarian and omnivorous diets could affect physical performance. We also describe recent studies that attempt to assess the effects of a vegetarian diet on performance and comment on other nutritional aspects of vegetarianism of relevance to athletes. Although well-controlled long-term studies assessing the effects of vegetarian diets on athletes have not been conducted, the following observations can be made: 1) well-planned, appropriately supplemented vegetarian diets appear to effectively support athletic performance; 2) provided protein intakes are adequate to meet needs for total nitrogen and the essential amino acids, plant and animal protein sources appear to provide equivalent support to athletic training and performance; 3) vegetarians (particularly women) are at increased risk for non-anemic iron deficiency, which may limit endurance performance; and 4) as a group, vegetarians have lower mean muscle creatine concentrations than do omnivores, and this may affect supramaximal exercise performance. Because their initial muscle creatine concentrations are lower, vegetarians are likely to experience greater performance increments after creatine loading in activities that rely on the adenosine triphosphate/phosphocreatine system. 5) Coaches and trainers should be aware that some athletes may adopt a vegetarian diet as a strategy for weight control. Accordingly, the possibility of a disordered eating pattern should be investigated if a vegetarian diet is accompanied by unwarranted weight loss.
Any more questions?
P.s. don't eat kangaroo it'll make you a vegan foshu
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Climbing_Pink
Mar 5, 2009, 1:46 PM
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Both my boyfriend and I are vegetarians. I'm not climbing incredibly hard stuff, 5.9 sport lead, 5.10/11 follow and V2/3 bouldering.
He on the other hand is climbing V5-7 depending on the problem and 5.12/13 sport lead and is uber strong. I think he's been Veg for about 7-8 years.
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