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lynne
Feb 26, 2003, 4:50 AM
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hell here. No question.
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coldclimb
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I don't get it, but ok. I'd choose heaven, regardless. I'd watch you guys melt, and then I'd live forever in perfect happiness. see ya. :roll:
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tanner
Feb 26, 2003, 5:15 AM
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The Great thing about climbing in heaven will be it won't be so crowded!
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jerryderl
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In reply to: My point, Jared, is that no one in their right mind would CHOOSE heaven over climbing and sex - assuming, of course, that person has never experienced (or considered deeply) heaven (or as you've put it, a relationship with Jesus). It would be a silly thing to expect. Rather than just saying "If you don't believe in Jesus then you're going to hell," why don't you actually try to explain WHY anyone would even WANT to believe in Jesus. Josh
He's Right, I don't want to offend anybody. I too dislike the the preachers that say "repent or burn in hell!!!" I did sound a little like that. I think it's because it pains me too see how many people take it so lightly. I know that climbing and sex are awesome, like Josh said: "He made them, he should know how to make fun things"(paraphrazing),
but to me, my relationship with Jesus is way better than climbing, and I LOVE to climb.
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clundin_99
Feb 26, 2003, 5:39 AM
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It is honestly so sad to see how little people know about God. I mean I know that 'God' is a term that means different things to different people, but I mean some people are just not versed in their own perceptions of a higher being. Maybe I am naive because I am a devout Christian, but come on people. Climbing or God? It is sad to see that some of you would pick climbing over God. It is fun, don't get me wrong. But if you replied with any sense of sincerity, you are willing to forsake eternity for a rock. Try turning to THE ROCK! The Bible says it several times that God is our rock.
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tanner
Feb 26, 2003, 5:47 AM
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I'm sure the climbing in heaven is great!!
It is a little sad that people would put a sport infront or eternal life.
Besides If you like climbing so much, thank God he's the route setter.
and He sure did a good job eh!
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epic_ed
Feb 26, 2003, 6:01 AM
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Climbing and heaven are one in the same. When I die, I say screw the whole "angels wings" crap. I want a set of brass cahones so I can really climb.
Ed
"Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?"
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oklahoma
Feb 26, 2003, 6:05 AM
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I'm already going to hell so yes I'd go to hell for climbing
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copperhead
Feb 26, 2003, 6:06 AM
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Religion is a creation of those that imagine.
Quit playing in the sandbox.
There is no God.
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swohletz
Feb 26, 2003, 6:11 AM
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heaven...definitely. I don't think God will ask me to give up things He made me to enjoy though. Enough said.
-s
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jerryderl
Feb 26, 2003, 6:23 AM
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In reply to: Religion is a creation of those that imagine. Quit playing in the sandbox. There is no God.
Prove it.
Jesus lived.(Historical Fact, it is 2003 A.D.)
Almost anyone will say AT LEAST that he was a good man.
He claimed to be God.
Was he crazy? Couldn't be, could any psycho give the sermon on the mount?
Was he a liar? Would anybody say he was a good man if he was a liar?
Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the father except through me."
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copperhead
Feb 26, 2003, 6:24 AM
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Whatever...
Re. Prove it.
Prove that a God does exist. Do you have any scientific evidence or just a bunch of super-natural hocus-pocus feely jive?
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koto
Feb 26, 2003, 6:25 AM
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*says in voice like Guru*
When I die Buddha will wisk my spirit away to nirvana like place where the cliffs are clean and crisp, the ground does not cause pain, the beer is cold and the girls like me! :D
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copperhead
Feb 26, 2003, 6:28 AM
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Quit dreamin'!!!
We're all fertilizer when we die and nothing more, like it or not. Better have fun while you can.
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tanner
Feb 26, 2003, 6:33 AM
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God has to exist!! I'm reminded of that every time I look out side at the world around me. All the critters on the earth and the mountains and the oceans had to be created by some one greater than us. It would be crazy to think that all the life on earth and all the great land around us could be made by chance alone.
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waggas
Feb 26, 2003, 6:37 AM
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hmmm.... somewhat of a largely irrelevant question for me...
Since I don’t believe in god, I guess I’m going to hell anyway
(There’s something I never got…. “be bad person but believe, you’re in heaven… be a good person but don’t believe…. Sorry, you’re guest of honour at the BBQ…..” Nice deal….)
As for that old “but all this couldn’t have been created by chance” routine…. In a virtually limitless universe, they chances are that virtually everything that’s possible will exist at one point or another….
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copperhead
Feb 26, 2003, 6:41 AM
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"God has to exist!! I'm reminded of that every time I look out side at the world around me. All the critters on the earth and the mountains and the oceans had to be created by some one greater than us. It would be crazy to think that all the life on earth and all the great land around us could be made by chance alone."
Another example of the 'I can't prove it so I'll make up something else instead'...
Geologic time and 'chance' are quite capable of creating complexities that far exceed the capacity of the human mind.
Darwin and physics.
Nothing more.
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jerryderl
Feb 26, 2003, 6:43 AM
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Darwin himself on his deathbed stated that his theory was only a theory and no better than any other.
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jerryderl
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In reply to: As for that old “but all this couldn’t have been created by chance” routine…. In a virtually limitless universe, they chances are that virtually everything that’s possible will exist at one point or another….
Where did the virtually limitless universe come from?
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copperhead
Feb 26, 2003, 6:50 AM
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Heaven is only in your mind. Believe all you want, but you and I are nothing more than biological organisms with a lifespan and when our time is up, it's all over. Done. No more. Death. Darkness. Nothing. You can't comprehend it.
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tanner
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True, I can't prove many things. Just like I can't give you "proof" of God.
He has proved himself in my life.
I can't prove evolution, I understand it. But I can't prove it.
Not everything in life there is proof for. Its that simple
Its all about faith. You have just as much faith as I do, only your faith is in somthing diffrent. Both are unproven.
Tanner
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collegekid
Feb 26, 2003, 6:53 AM
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wow what a fun topic.
to REPLY TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION,
I say, since there is neither a heaven nor a hell, or an afterlife, i am going to enjoy life and climbing while i still can, and not worry myself about things that don't exist.
It is pointless to argue about god. If you are truly intelligent, you will realize arguing against true believers is impossible. One can believe in god or not, it does not make a difference, and you can think up arguments supporting either one all day. (my opinion is that there really isn't a god)
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jerryderl
Feb 26, 2003, 6:53 AM
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Who is your opinion supported by?
What makes you think that?
Do you have proof?
I gave you historical proof, is that not good enough?
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collegekid
Feb 26, 2003, 6:56 AM
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really, please, this topic is futile.
Anyone of true intelligence and intellectual enlightenment will understand that it is nearly impossible to reverse brainwashing, especially when it has been ingrained in people since they were young.
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