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climbhigh23
Oct 23, 2002, 9:56 PM
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maybe he climbs because he considers climbing fun, and he doesn't give a s--- about how he looks and what other people think.
has anyone even considered that this guy may accept himself for who he is, regardless of what he looks like, or how hard of a bouldering problem he can send?
if you enjoy climbing - great....we already have one thing in common. wanna go and drink some beers now?
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climbjs
Oct 23, 2002, 10:26 PM
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astone- I find your viewpoint pretty pathetic. Perhaps you worked as a nurse. That does not justify your disgruntled opinion of obese people. I say kudos to the guy. We can speculate quite a bit about this person, but who cares. He's climbing. Most people I know are immensly supportive of climbers, regardless of weight. I hope you never run for president... Or perhaps you should. Public opinion of people like you may be the only to get it through your head that your opinions are pathetic.
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fo_d
Oct 23, 2002, 10:55 PM
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I'm ashamed to say that when I saw this thread I tought you all would be bashing fat people, but I finally looked at it and you've all been very good. I dont know why I would have thought otherwise.
I'm a big guy too, 5'11 205lbs. but 2 years ago I was almost 250 and getting bigger everyday, and I'm sure I was on my way to a heart attack. After an embarassing episode tring to waterski, I half hartedly tried to lose some weight, but a few months later when I wandered into REI things changed fast. After a couple of climbs at REI I was hooked and determined to lose weight so I could climb. I feel like I'm in really good shape now considering where I was.
So even if a person is too large to climb well, maybe they will get hooked and it will give them the motivation to lose some weight.
Les
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coach
Oct 23, 2002, 11:18 PM
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Andrew,
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"Have any of you ever experienced the joy of watching some fat slob quivering and shaking on some measly slab. It's great! The adipose tissue quakes and jiggles like so much holiday jello, and when the poor guy inevitably falls and weights the stressed toprope he hangs in his undersized harness in all sorts of weird ways. Too entertaining!"
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"Save a fatso, tell him he is fat!"
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"The truth is I love all humanity."
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Please explain the last one to me again!
I think maybe your bedside manner needs a little work.
Climb On
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sparky
Oct 24, 2002, 1:58 AM
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it gives us regular folks something to laugh at?
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xcit
Oct 24, 2002, 2:38 AM
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Why is this sight great?? Because you get to laugh your ass off due to great remarks like astone and horatiofelatio!!
Damn you guys should be on pay per view!!
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bvoborsky
Oct 24, 2002, 3:02 AM
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Great to see him start out, my friend who started going to the climbing gym with me has lost 70 poundss so far.....
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clundin_99
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I give the guy major props. I was not blessed with a perfect body by any means. I am not a fat person, but I could definitely stand to lose a few pounds. Anyway, when I first started climbing, I was larger than I am now and struggled on basically everything. A few weeks of training on the wall, though, and I was doing alright for myself; obviously not good enough to red point a 13 or anything, but good enough to do some stuff. My point is that maybe after a few months of training in the gym, the guy may be able to look like more of a climber. It is absolutely great exercise and I think he is doing good for himself.
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socaliforniaclimber
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One time I met this guy at rockreation climbing gym who was a good 200+. We went out to Joshua tree and he just kicked ass...of coarse on climbs requiring a lot of footwork and not upper body strength. He did a 5.11a i couldn't pull off.
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wildtrail
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I don't know. Maybe he thought it looked fun and it was a good way to lose some weight. I'm pretty hefty myself, but I know what you mean. I'm 240, but I'm only about 20 pounds overweight, all in the form of a belly.
One must crawl before they walk.
I've seen bigger people than me, without the muscle mass that I have. Climbing is for those that dare try.
Steve
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wildingb
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Hi
Just to clarify, John Dunne is a big fella (over 12 stone) for a (prof) rockclimber but no way is he fat...
How much damage does a 350 pound weight do to a rope?
Are people excusing obesity as a lifestyle choice? Simple fact, doesn't matter how much exercise you do, if your calorific input is higher than your output you get fat.
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astone
Oct 24, 2002, 12:34 PM
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Wow,
I haven't gotten this much hate mail since the last time I sent out a religion flame.
Sorry I haven't been responding, but I had to go stuff a double cheeseburger down my gullet and then sleep it off.
I am intrigued that taking some humourous verbal licence on an "open" forum has made me the object of pharmboys violent rage. Is that how you solve the conflicts in your life, pharmboy? Maybe you have to react with physical rage against someone you've never met because you lack the intellect to concoct a clever retort.
Eh?
I was watching the story of Andy Kaufman the other day, and I was intrigued by his fascination with pissing people off with the things he said and did. Then I saw this forum and I couldn't resist.
Oh for a little freedom of expression in this hung up world!
And please, don't respond with the inevitable conditions and qualifications on freedom. Heard them all before.
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pharmboy
Oct 24, 2002, 12:46 PM
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I would gather by some of the other posts that I'm not the only one that didn't find your posts "humerous". We are all entitled to our opinions, including you with your assinine remarks. However, don't expect to throw out something so nasty and generalized at a person or group of people and expect to not get flamed!
I spend some much time trying to instill tolerance in my daughter and to explain to her why there are a$$holes in the world like you!
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chakan
Oct 24, 2002, 12:47 PM
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just as a question astone... i`m not saying your wrong you have your own opinion which you`re entitled too. I disagree with it but thats my opinion which i`m entitled too.
But i`m just curious do you practise what you preach? I mean do you go to fat people and say "you`re fat!!"
Just asking not a flame...
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astone
Oct 24, 2002, 12:53 PM
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chakan,
Is that what I am preaching, or are you oversimplifying?
pharmboy,
Get real. The world is full of nasty things that you will have to explain to your children, and most of them are far more serious than someone who hurt your feelings.
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chakan
Oct 24, 2002, 1:03 PM
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Save a fatso, tell him he is fat!
so I don`t think i`m oversimplifying...
but let me phrase my question another way then... Do you go up to fat people and tell them they are fat?
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pharmboy
Oct 24, 2002, 1:05 PM
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Hurt my feelings is one thing.... hurt the feelings of someone I care about... God help ya!
Why is this world so full of nasty and scary things? Because there are way too many people in the world that feel it is their right to abuse the First Amendment... Sure, you have the "legal" right to speak your mind, even if it is a hate filled remark.
Put yourself in the shoes of the people you are talking about prior to spouting off. You're one of those insecure people that feel better when someone else is the butt of your ridicule.
Imagine how much less scary this world would be if people were a little more compassionate and tolerant!
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astone
Oct 24, 2002, 1:15 PM
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chakan,
I don't do so arbitrarily, but if it is pertinent to do so I don't shrink from the task.
I have seen the following scenario played out over and over. Young guy gets married, and makes several babies in short order. Five years later his wife is a blimp, and he is bummed. He may say something to her once, but the abuse he gets in return keeps his mouth shut from that point forward. Ten years later he is depressed, self-destructive and ornery, partly because he is being held verbally hostage by the politeness and sensitivity enforced by his beloved spouse. So sad, and wrong.
I suspect that many of those who flame me play a part in this scenario or something close to it.
Any takers?
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pharmboy
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Dude that is sooo totally lame. Young guy marries... wife end's of fat... and he gets depressed.
Well, if that young guy only got married cause his girl was a skinny piece of a$$... then he deserves to be depressed when/if she becomes heavy. A REAL man that REALLY loves his wife will be sympathetic to her feelings and would be supportive of her and would have a strong enough of a relationship to show her that he cares not for what she looks like, but for her health. If a husband tells his wife she is fat... dude deserves to be bitch slapped. If a husband expresses his sincere concern about his wife's health... well, that is another.
What I don't understand is why you can't just accept the fact that your remarks were nasty and uncalled for. I guess I shouldn't expect that much from a guy who can't be honest with himself, nevermind everyone else.... (27, nursing for 10 years) ya whateva!!
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chakan
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Okie question answered as I said it wasn`t a flame I was just curious if you actually do it.
Tho I suspect the people your generally tell it to arbitarily are people you know as a friend or aquaintence. correct me if i`m wrong.
But I do understand you example... but that is unfortunatly the situation between the 2 people who don`t have an open relationship (and by open I mean verbally) , but agreed there are a lot of those relationships around.
just my 2c
ca cera cera
*Edit: spelling
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astone
Oct 24, 2002, 1:35 PM
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que sera sera
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astone
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Hey chakan,
I met an awesome climber from South Africa last May at the City.
Her name was Shelly so it couldn't have been you. She was smooth as silk though, and her accent was way cool.
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chakan
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yeah I know my own personal take on the phrase
What part of SA was she from? Yeah there are some awesome climbers in SA specially paul brouard. Yup I still have my accent apparently..
ca cera cera
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gunkjunkie
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Astone -
Hmm - sounds similar to something my ex-husband might have said about me except that we didn't pop out any babies (Thank God!). Except that I wasn't fat and he was mentally abusive and was starting to be physically abusive when I left him. I was fat, nothing I did was right etc. By the time I left I was severely depressed and suicidal. It took years for me finally be able to look people in the eye when I talked to them, years until I could feel comfortable with myself, I still have a lot of self doubt and I can still "hear" him sometimes. Thankfully I am now married to one of the best guys in the world and it's incredible to be with someone who wants to build you up rather than tear you down.
Another note about the example - why doesn't the guy stay home with the kids sometimes and take other responsibility so that his wife can have time to herself so that she can exercise?
Deirdre
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astone
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gunkjunkie,
Why doesn't everyone be honest about what they want? This way we can prevent the pathological retention of angst that leads to abusive relationships.
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