moabbeth wrote:


....yep...

Underfoot...

If I'm wrong...I SUK....
..your retort is weak and therefore only confirms my suspicions that your story is a "friend of a friend" rumor.

Madriver, I am not a "professional" climber who throws my resume out for everyone to read, writes books so people buy them and make money, or hold myself up to be a "public" figure to the level where I'm interviewed in a national magazine. She is a public figure. There's a big difference and it's a shame you don't see that. And FWIW, I did not bash her in my comments as much as I did question some of her statements...of which came from HER own mouth. If you want to go after Tori bashers, you have many more posts here to look to than my relatively benign one.

Really?

I had never even heard the name Tori Allen until 2 weeks ago. I was back in Indiana doing the family thing for the holidays, and was able to get up to the gym in Indy for some much needed climbing. A few days earlier I had posted to rc.com that I needed a partner for that day but nobody responded. I drove up to the gym in hopes of finding someone else in a similiar spot, but no luck. Then I was grateful to get a young girl named Tori to climb routes with. It was a little odd at first climbing with a girl half my age, especially one that kicked my old trad climbing a$$ without breaking a sweat. I later found out that it wasn't just Tori, it was TORI ALLEN!, but you wouldn't have known it by talking to her. She was very down to earth, and she patiently belayed me while I flailed on some nasty overhanging sloper problem that she had just stuck. When I went to leave, I asked the guy (I think his name was My) how much I owed him and the manager came over and said: "No, you're visiting from out of town. There's no charge. Thanks for stopping by." I later found out that he was her father.

Maybe public opinion is as quoted above, but I'll go with personal experience over public opinion almost every time. In my personal experience, Tori was nice and down to earth and not at all egocentric or "fluff-brained." Her dad seemed pretty cool, too.

The only reason I defend her is becuase I feel sorry for her..I can't imagine what her life will be like in twenty years. Her parents have set a horrible stage for her future. I am the parent of a competitve climber, which is why I am interested in her at all. It appears that they are creating a monster, and should examine what their motives are. But I don't blame a 15 year kid for that. As a parent I am responsible for my child, their behavior, values, and morals.

My story is related directly from the roommate in question. Believe it or not, I am sure it is the God's honest truth.

I don't blame you for not believing it, that's what successfull advertising ([cough]Tori's[/cough]) accomplishes.

I had to respond to this response. Jesus, man, did you take english classes in school?

[ Everybody has a story, the saying goes, but I did not see a story, just superficial observations.
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Not meaning to thread hijack but great point. Ever see those pieces Steve Hartman does on CBS Evening News where he travels to some random town, pulls out the phone book, picks out a name and then does a story on that person? Every one of the pieces he's done like that have been stellar...it's the storytelling that makes the story. Climbing Magazine doesn't have that many real storytellers anymore.

underfoot wrote:

....btw was that the 2003 youth worlds?

SHALLOW, meaningless drivel. For example: We are told what every single interviewee is wearing. How is this relevant?

I have climbed with tori in the past and although she is not all that great of a person I have climbed with a lot worse.
DX

this article was incredibly disappointing. in the first post in this thread the person talks about how ea. of the girls "came across" as if the writer recorded - objectively - aspects of ea. of the girls' lives. for christ sakes look at the picture chioce for ea. of the girls. this was terrible to read b/c of how it was written. thank you for your slanted article katie brown.