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innominato
Mar 2, 2004, 1:39 AM
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Dude, you're on crack. The NY times is one of the few sources of actual news left in these sad, scary times. Zionisim, anti-semitism, etc., have little to do with that. What's more, the fact that you don't know who Goebbels is points directly to the fact that you are a total dumbass.
The Passion of the Christ? Who cares? Twelve hours of torture under the aegis of conservative Catholicism--a Hollywoodized Passion Play for the uniformed. You sound like the perfect viewer.
Enjoy.
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survivalexpert
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ey, is it true that Tori has something with her joints in her hands that helps make her exceptionally skilled at climbing? One of my friends said that he saw something about that on tv. :?
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In reply to: admit it jt, you got the hots for her. perv. and while we're at it, 5.12c placing gear is WAY harder that 5.13b clipping bolts. bust out of that rut you're in and enter the world of "well rounded" climbing. man does not live by sport climbing alone. and you're not getting any youunger, bro. but then, neither is tori. another 3 years and you're in business. heh heh heh
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Mar 2, 2004, 2:59 AM
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In reply to: ey, is it true that Tori has something with her joints in her hands that helps make her exceptionally skilled at climbing? One of my friends said that he saw something about that on tv. :?
All I can add is that I've had joints in my hands plenty of times, and it has only moderately improved my climbing. That doesn't mean that I'll stop, however....
Most things that you read about TA have been scrutinized and approved by a well paid PR person. Although the Katie Brown article was a train wreck, it did, in fact, portray Tori accurately. Thankfully, it did not go by her publicist first.
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chopper
Mar 2, 2004, 3:26 AM
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Could someone refresh me. How did the Tori allen thread turn into politics and anti-semitism. could tori actually be the anti-christ?
p.s.
I'd start bottling water and buying batteries if I were you. :twisted:
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Mar 2, 2004, 3:31 AM
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In reply to: ey, is it true that Tori has something with her joints in her hands that helps make her exceptionally skilled at climbing?
Not sure, but something about Sharma with a joint in his hand makes him a better climber... :wink:
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jt512
Mar 2, 2004, 4:17 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: The best way to make this debate go away is... to IGNORE it... than this girl wouldn't be famous, nor would this debate exist! So your advice is not to participate in this debate. Which debate? Oh, the one you are participating in. In reply to: I think, however, the most important thing to realize is that it is a boon Tori Allen is not a trad climber. I am thankful I will not see her out at the rock, and ultimately, if she is climbing for the wrong reasons, she will fade into memory... I am so thankful to have you to tell me what the right reasons for climbing are! This girl is one of the very strongest female climbers in the U.S. Of course, she is going to be famous and be sponsored. She is obviously a serious, focused competitive athlete. What exactly is wrong with that? -Jay -Jay admit it jt, you got the hots for her. perv. and while we're at it, 5.12c placing gear is WAY harder that 5.13b clipping bolts.
Yeah, but I think Tori sport climbs harder than 13b. She on-sighted 13a at age 11. If she sticks with the sport, imagine how hard she'll be climbing in a few years.
In reply to: bust out of that rut you're in and enter the world of "well rounded" climbing. man does not live by sport climbing alone. and you're not getting any youunger, bro.
I've trad climbed plenty, though never at a high standard. I've often been tempted to get back into it, but the next "project" keeps luring me back to sport climbing.
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tori allen did for climbing what hot topic did for punk music.
if this needs to be spelled out, here it goes: took a great thing with an important core idea and homogenized to appeal to the mainstream. hot topic is a store (owned by the gap) that attempts to reach out to disenfranchised teenagers by selling black clothing, stuff with spikes, weird stuffed animals, and t shirts for "hardcore" bands. in essence, this effort to cash in on the punk movement killed the spirit of punk, because any kid with his moms money can buy a pair of baggy black pants with zippers going to nowhere and listen to angry music. now, with tori, we have a very talented climber, and in an effort to cash in on the popularity of climbing, her parents have created action figures, hot pink ropes and chalk balls, etc. she hasnt killed the spirit of climbing, but from an outsiders point of view, it makes climbing look very appealing. but hey, maybe im just another dumb 15 year old girl with flaky views.
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In reply to: I did not get involved in the debate.
And you're still not, I suppose.
In reply to: As for the rest of your response... I don't recall telling you what the right reasons for climbing are, nor should I have to.
Oh, no, of course you shouldn't have to tell us what The Right Reasons for climbing are, because, after all, because what you think the right reasons for climbing are are what everybody should think the right reasons are.
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[quote:0696cbfe2f="iamnotender"]tori allen did for climbing what hot topic did for punk music.
if this needs to be spelled out, here it goes: took a great thing with an important core idea and homogenized to appeal to the mainstream. hot topic is a store (owned by the gap) that attempts to reach out to disenfranchised teenagers by selling black clothing, stuff with spikes, weird stuffed animals, and t shirts for "hardcore" bands. in essence, this effort to cash in on the punk movement killed the spirit of punk, because any kid with his moms money can buy a pair of baggy black pants with zippers going to nowhere and listen to angry music. now, with tori, we have a very talented climber, and in an effort to cash in on the popularity of climbing, her parents have created action figures, hot pink ropes and chalk balls, etc. she hasnt killed the spirit of climbing, but from an outsiders point of view, it makes climbing look very appealing. but hey, maybe im just another dumb 15 year old girl with flaky views.[/quote:0696cbfe2f]
i agree, though since you are a 15 year old, though correct, i doubt you have the perspective on what it really means to be a "punk." i have the same argument with my 15 year old sister. just like her, though, you are right.
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In reply to: ey, is it true that Tori has something with her joints in her hands that helps make her exceptionally skilled at climbing?
Yeah, strength.
-Jay
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jt512
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In reply to: In reply to: Hey, there Goebbels, got a touch of anti-Semitism? Why don't you tone it down a notch, or better yet, f---ing apologize, tough guy? not quite sure how thinking that the nytimes is baised towards israel makes me anti-semetic...
Thinking it doesn't make you anti-Semitic. Mentioning it out of context suggests that you are.
In reply to: Wow, the jews are really touchy these days what with the release of the passion of christ...
And that comment pretty much confirms it.
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iamnotender
Mar 2, 2004, 5:02 AM
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In reply to: i agree, though since you are a 15 year old, though correct, i doubt you have the perspective on what it really means to be a "punk." i have the same argument with my 15 year old sister. just like her, though, you are right.
*shrugs* maybe i don't. but from my limited 15 year old knowledge bank i have drawn that the punk movement was started in the 70's by a few bands that were tired of bloated 70's rock with 3 minute guitar solos, and thought that music should be accessible by everyone. to make their message heard, they picked up instruments, learned rudimentary musical skills, and created an image that shouted "screw society." on a scale of 1-"punk", i'd say my description rates a 7. sorry for the thread hijack, folks.
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This thread is a perfect example of the reason why I occasionally need a break from this site.
Why did I have to be born into a world with so many stupid people? Why can't they just go away and leave me alone with the rock? :(
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In reply to: I've trad climbed plenty, though never at a high standard. I've often been tempted to get back into it, but the next "project" keeps luring me back to sport climbing.
yeah, I know that. I'm just looking out for your best interests. I'm just sayin....ticking some 12d sport route at rumney, hell i'd forget about it the next morning. ticking cosmic debris...is an experience that will be burned into my memory for as long as i live. the sketch batman up a frayed fixed rope, the smell of the bay trees in the warm spring sun, the view across the valley to yosemite falls, the deep green carpet of meadows, the sway of the trees and the whisper of snow in the high country, blowing down tenaya canyon....
TRAD RULEZ, DUUUUDE
get with the program
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bvb
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In reply to: Why did I have to be born into a world with so many stupid people? Why can't they just go away and leave me alone with the rock?
isn't it obvious? we stupid people were put on this earth to make you miserable.
so...when you gonna start that break, big guy?
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Mar 2, 2004, 5:31 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: The best way to make this debate go away is... to IGNORE it... than this girl wouldn't be famous, nor would this debate exist! So your advice is not to participate in this debate. Which debate? Oh, the one you are participating in. In reply to: I think, however, the most important thing to realize is that it is a boon Tori Allen is not a trad climber. I am thankful I will not see her out at the rock, and ultimately, if she is climbing for the wrong reasons, she will fade into memory... I am so thankful to have you to tell me what the right reasons for climbing are! This girl is one of the very strongest female climbers in the U.S. Of course, she is going to be famous and be sponsored. She is obviously a serious, focused competitive athlete. What exactly is wrong with that? -Jay -Jay admit it jt, you got the hots for her. perv. and while we're at it, 5.12c placing gear is WAY harder that 5.13b clipping bolts. Yeah, but I think Tori sport climbs harder than 13b. She on-sighted 13a at age 11. If she sticks with the sport, imagine how hard she'll be climbing in a few years. In reply to: bust out of that rut you're in and enter the world of "well rounded" climbing. man does not live by sport climbing alone. and you're not getting any youunger, bro. I've trad climbed plenty, though never at a high standard. I've often been tempted to get back into it, but the next "project" keeps luring me back to sport climbing. -Jay
Walk away from the Dark Side Jay. You could become a far better climber. The "next projects" exist in trad climbing and bouldering too.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: The best way to make this debate go away is... to IGNORE it... than this girl wouldn't be famous, nor would this debate exist! So your advice is not to participate in this debate. Which debate? Oh, the one you are participating in. In reply to: I think, however, the most important thing to realize is that it is a boon Tori Allen is not a trad climber. I am thankful I will not see her out at the rock, and ultimately, if she is climbing for the wrong reasons, she will fade into memory... I am so thankful to have you to tell me what the right reasons for climbing are! This girl is one of the very strongest female climbers in the U.S. Of course, she is going to be famous and be sponsored. She is obviously a serious, focused competitive athlete. What exactly is wrong with that? -Jay -Jay admit it jt, you got the hots for her. perv. and while we're at it, 5.12c placing gear is WAY harder that 5.13b clipping bolts. Yeah, but I think Tori sport climbs harder than 13b. She on-sighted 13a at age 11. If she sticks with the sport, imagine how hard she'll be climbing in a few years. In reply to: bust out of that rut you're in and enter the world of "well rounded" climbing. man does not live by sport climbing alone. and you're not getting any youunger, bro. I've trad climbed plenty, though never at a high standard. I've often been tempted to get back into it, but the next "project" keeps luring me back to sport climbing. -Jay Walk away from the Dark Side Jay. You could become a far better climber. The "next projects" exist in trad climbing and bouldering too. Curt
I may be forced to do more trad climbing if want to continue to keep climbing as often as I do. Year-round hard sport climbing is taking it's toll on me physically. I may either have to climb less frequently, or mix in some trad climbing.
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In reply to: In reply to: I did not get involved in the debate. And you're still not, I suppose. In reply to: As for the rest of your response... I don't recall telling you what the right reasons for climbing are, nor should I have to. Oh, no, of course you shouldn't have to tell us what The Right Reasons for climbing are, because, after all, because what you think the right reasons for climbing are are what everybody should think the right reasons are. -Jay |
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In reply to: In reply to: I did not get involved in the debate. And you're still not, I suppose. In reply to: As for the rest of your response... I don't recall telling you what the right reasons for climbing are, nor should I have to. Oh, no, of course you shouldn't have to tell us what The Right Reasons for climbing are, because, after all, because what you think the right reasons for climbing are are what everybody should think the right reasons are. -Jay
Ah, see, now I am involved in the debate, except not about the topic at hand, just with your interpretation of my words. I am frustrated that you have not taken the time to actually read my posts and respond intelligently, but have chosen rather to attack me in a snide manner without truly adressing the issues that have arisen from the discussion.
What exactly are you trying to prove here by insulting me and dismissing my contribution to this topic? I did not post my 'Right Reasons for climbing' because that is a personal discussion, and a personal issue. I would image that my motivations for climbing are different than yours, and I would further surmise that my motivations are also different than those of Ms. Allen. However, I am not attacking her motivations, rather I am lamenting the Hot Topic commercialization effect that this has had on our sport. I am further comparing her experience to that of Katie Brown, where a focus that misses the essence of climbing leads to burnout, and I am stating that this is a distinct possiblity for Ms. Allen. If you disagree with that, please take the time to lucidly explain why instead of quoting me and responding with one liners. I have taken my time to respond politely to your posts, and I would appreciate the same respect if you choose to continue this discussion.
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So I know this is kind of off-topic, but man, Katie Brown couldn't write her way out of a paper bag. Oh yeah, and Tori Allen rocks!
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In reply to: And, i don't know or understand what you were responding to with the passion of christ comment..."who cares?" Doesn't make sense in any context...repeat yourself, bro-stien.
Bro-stien? Bro-stien? Hey racist, how about you cut the anti-Semitic remarks. Right now, I'm contacting a moderator.
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Some one suggested a Tori Allen doll photo compitition. Anyone seen it?
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