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mturner


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That's not fair!! And that would only work if Jessica Alba was in Dark Angel mode:

She can be in whatever mode she wants to be in as long as she's there!


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Not that I want to get back on topic (I am perfectly fine with more pics of Jessica Alba) but this from NFL.com...

Patriots under investigation for following rules, guidelines violations ...
1. Page 105 of the Game Operations manual says: "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." It later says: "All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

2. And, a memo from Ray Anderson, NFL head of football operations, to head coaches and GMs on Sept. 6, 2006 said: "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."


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She can be in nothing whatsoever as long as she's there!

Fixed that for ya.

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reno wrote:
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She can be in nothing whatsoever as long as she's there!

Fixed that for ya.

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That's kind of how I was picturing it anyhow


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mturner wrote:
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She can be in nothing whatsoever as long as she's there!

Fixed that for ya.

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That's kind of how I was picturing it anyhow

Did that picture look like this?




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reno wrote:
mturner wrote:
reno wrote:
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She can be in nothing whatsoever as long as she's there!

Fixed that for ya.

Tongue

That's kind of how I was picturing it anyhow

Did that picture look like this?

[image]http://www.celebspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Jessica-Alba-nude.jpg[/image]

Cool without the sheet and turned slightly


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mturner wrote:

Trivia Question: Who did the Falcons trade to San Diego for the first overall pick in the draft they took Michael Vick in?

And finally, here is my contribution:

[image]http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/jessica_alba_xin.jpg[/image]

I don't remember who they traded for the pick but they ended up with LT on Atlanta's pick. Even a blind squirel finds an acorn every once in a while.

Is that close enough? If I have it right, you have to post more Jessica Alba pictures.

Can we stop calling LDT "LT"? That nickname was already taken. Especially you, who I'm assuming is a Giants fan.


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snoopy138 wrote:
jgloporto wrote:
mturner wrote:

Trivia Question: Who did the Falcons trade to San Diego for the first overall pick in the draft they took Michael Vick in?

And finally, here is my contribution:

[image]http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/jessica_alba_xin.jpg[/image]

I don't remember who they traded for the pick but they ended up with LT on Atlanta's pick. Even a blind squirel finds an acorn every once in a while.

Is that close enough? If I have it right, you have to post more Jessica Alba pictures.

Can we stop calling LDT "LT"? That nickname was already taken. Especially you, who I'm assuming is a Giants fan.

Respects to Mr. Taylor aside, I have never heard anyone else call Tomlinson "LDT."


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snoopy138 wrote:
jgloporto wrote:
mturner wrote:

Trivia Question: Who did the Falcons trade to San Diego for the first overall pick in the draft they took Michael Vick in?

And finally, here is my contribution:

[image]http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/jessica_alba_xin.jpg[/image]

I don't remember who they traded for the pick but they ended up with LT on Atlanta's pick. Even a blind squirel finds an acorn every once in a while.

Is that close enough? If I have it right, you have to post more Jessica Alba pictures.

Can we stop calling LDT "LT"? That nickname was already taken. Especially you, who I'm assuming is a Giants fan.

There's only one LT in my book, but you can't trademark initials and that's what everyone else is calling. I like you're LdT variation though. I am more than happy to go with that going forward.


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What do you mean "now"? Has the quarterback position changed that much since Young was playing? It's too often assumed that so called "modern day quarterbacks like Vick" brought a new level of a scrambling quarterback to the mix. That was nothing new, look at Randal Cunningham and Warren Moon. And there's still plenty of traditional pocket passers, look at Brady and Manning. So what do you mean by modern NFL?

By Modern NFL I don't mean so much how the game is played as how the teams are managed. It's getting to the point where one bad season with a team will get you the boot. Players bounce from team to team faster, there are very few "franchise" players anymore, in the sense that they stick with one team, for whatever reason. Whether this is better or worse can be debated, but it is a shift, and I don't think that a player of Young's caliber playing now would have been content to sit 2nd string for as long as he did.

Then again, I'm also 10 years older now, and 10 years more cynical. This could all be a matter of perspective for me, idk.


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This just in... a scathing article regarding the patriots practices written by Mr. Z himself. Here's a sampling:

In reply to:
"At one point we had a good drive going against the Patriots," said one Lion who doesn't want his name involved in this mess, but was willing to talk about it. "Mike Martz really had 'em going. They were getting fouled up, lining up wrong, we were moving the ball. Then boom, the headset from the sidelines to the coaches' booth goes out.

"Next possession we were moving the ball again and the same thing happened. You know it only takes two or three plays to mess up a drive."

Matt Millen, the Lions' GM, was talking to Bengals' coach Marvin Lewis at the league meetings. He started telling him the story.

"Yeah, I know," Lewis said. "Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too."

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Last year the Lions played the Patriots in Foxboro. At one point their coach, Rod Marinelli, phoned up to the press box, "There's a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?" A Lions' employee called the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again. The same process was repeated and he was asked to stop again. Now that's dedication.

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Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin.

"We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it."

Enjoy the link!


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themadmilkman wrote:
mturner wrote:

What do you mean "now"? Has the quarterback position changed that much since Young was playing? It's too often assumed that so called "modern day quarterbacks like Vick" brought a new level of a scrambling quarterback to the mix. That was nothing new, look at Randal Cunningham and Warren Moon. And there's still plenty of traditional pocket passers, look at Brady and Manning. So what do you mean by modern NFL?

By Modern NFL I don't mean so much how the game is played as how the teams are managed. It's getting to the point where one bad season with a team will get you the boot. Players bounce from team to team faster, there are very few "franchise" players anymore, in the sense that they stick with one team, for whatever reason. Whether this is better or worse can be debated, but it is a shift, and I don't think that a player of Young's caliber playing now would have been content to sit 2nd string for as long as he did.

Then again, I'm also 10 years older now, and 10 years more cynical. This could all be a matter of perspective for me, idk.

I see and agree in part. There has been a management shift which reaches to management itelf. I can't believe how often coaches are switched up these days and the impact that must have on team chemistry probably leads to more egocentrism and players ill-loyalty that we see today.

Your point about Young however is kind of hindsight is 20/20. It's hard to say how players will perform in the spotlight and until Young really was given the chance we didn't know he'd be such a star. Who's to say there's not another Steve Young waiting on the bench somewhere else. Seems like not too long ago they benched hall of fame hopeful Drew Bledsoe for some no name sixth rounder. You may have heard of Tom Brady?


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mturner wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
jgloporto wrote:
mturner wrote:

Trivia Question: Who did the Falcons trade to San Diego for the first overall pick in the draft they took Michael Vick in?

And finally, here is my contribution:

[image]http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/jessica_alba_xin.jpg[/image]

I don't remember who they traded for the pick but they ended up with LT on Atlanta's pick. Even a blind squirel finds an acorn every once in a while.

Is that close enough? If I have it right, you have to post more Jessica Alba pictures.

Can we stop calling LDT "LT"? That nickname was already taken. Especially you, who I'm assuming is a Giants fan.

Respects to Mr. Taylor aside, I have never heard anyone else call Tomlinson "LDT."

I know of a fair number of people. The most well-known advocate of this is Bill Simmons on espn.com.


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snoopy138 wrote:
mturner wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
jgloporto wrote:
mturner wrote:

Trivia Question: Who did the Falcons trade to San Diego for the first overall pick in the draft they took Michael Vick in?

And finally, here is my contribution:

[image]http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/jessica_alba_xin.jpg[/image]

I don't remember who they traded for the pick but they ended up with LT on Atlanta's pick. Even a blind squirel finds an acorn every once in a while.

Is that close enough? If I have it right, you have to post more Jessica Alba pictures.

Can we stop calling LDT "LT"? That nickname was already taken. Especially you, who I'm assuming is a Giants fan.

Respects to Mr. Taylor aside, I have never heard anyone else call Tomlinson "LDT."

I know of a fair number of people. The most well-known advocate of this is Bill Simmons on espn.com.

Well out here (california) no one thinks twice about it. But as you wish, LDT it is for this site.

edited: just realized you were from california too...oops. LDT it is!


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This just in... a scathing article regarding the patriots practices written by Mr. Z himself. Here's a sampling:

In reply to:
"At one point we had a good drive going against the Patriots," said one Lion who doesn't want his name involved in this mess, but was willing to talk about it. "Mike Martz really had 'em going. They were getting fouled up, lining up wrong, we were moving the ball. Then boom, the headset from the sidelines to the coaches' booth goes out.

"Next possession we were moving the ball again and the same thing happened. You know it only takes two or three plays to mess up a drive."

Matt Millen, the Lions' GM, was talking to Bengals' coach Marvin Lewis at the league meetings. He started telling him the story.

"Yeah, I know," Lewis said. "Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too."

In reply to:
Last year the Lions played the Patriots in Foxboro. At one point their coach, Rod Marinelli, phoned up to the press box, "There's a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?" A Lions' employee called the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again. The same process was repeated and he was asked to stop again. Now that's dedication.

In reply to:
Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin.

"We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it."

Enjoy the link!

Yeah I wonder what is going to come of all that.

I don't know, seems like some blatant cheating if they prove it... but what is the punishment? Loss of a few draft picks? I kind of feel like the league should suspend belichick if it is as bad as it sounds.


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What I've been hearing is loss of a few draft picks the next couple of years.

But I agree, actually I think he should be banned from the NFL. But then again, I've never liked the guy so I'm biased.


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What I've been hearing is loss of a few draft picks the next couple of years.

But I agree, actually I think he should be banned from the NFL. But then again, I've never liked the guy so I'm biased.

Yeah. I'd like to wait and hear more of the evidence. But in my opinion, this is way more of a problem than pete rose betting, this sounds like years worth of highly successful systematic cheating. If we're going to bust the athletes for steroids or dope, the sidelines and front office should feel the heat for this.

Kinda brings into question the whole football 'genius' bit!


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What I've been hearing is loss of a few draft picks the next couple of years.

But I agree, actually I think he should be banned from the NFL. But then again, I've never liked the guy so I'm biased.

I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform. This is direct interference with the game itself. This is as bad or worse than the Black Socks thing... and look how that turned out.

I'd like to see Bellichick get banned for a year (though he'd probably pull a Bobby Vallentine) and I'd like to an asterics next to all of their relevant stats/championships since 2000. Taking draft picks doesn't seem like enough (the Pats would be picking like 30th anyway, which granted could be a pretty good lineman or some other utility player, but still...).


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I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform.

First, they haven't dropped asterisks on anything officially. you're free to place all the imaginary ones you want.

Second, this is the same as the HGH in that regard. regardless of which teams has which information, you still have to go out and execute. Manning said it best yesterday. I know teams are stealing my audibles, so I change them. Every Play. And even if I know you're blitzing, if my letf tackle misses a block, I'm still getting creamed. It's an advantage, sure, but coaches don't play.

As for the com, it happens all the time in stadiums all over the league. But if one team loses it, they both do. The league monitors that pretty tightly. Not to say the "lapses " weren't intentional , but even if they were, Belechick would have to sacrifice his own com for the effort. There'd be no advantage after that. They'd both be deaf.

I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue


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I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform.

First, they haven't dropped asterisks on anything officially. you're free to place all the imaginary ones you want.

Second, this is the same as the HGH in that regard. regardless of which teams has which information, you still have to go out and execute. Manning said it best yesterday. I know teams are stealing my audibles, so I change them. Every Play. And even if I know you're blitzing, if my letf tackle misses a block, I'm still getting creamed. It's an advantage, sure, but coaches don't play.

As for the com, it happens all the time in stadiums all over the league. But if one team loses it, they both do. The league monitors that pretty tightly. Not to say the "lapses " weren't intentional , but even if they were, Belechick would have to sacrifice his own com for the effort. There'd be no advantage after that. They'd both be deaf.

I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue

Hmm, I don't think I'd place the pats in the same category as the yankess. I hate the yankees. It's easy to hate them because their payroll is 3x anyone elses and they buy the best players year after year. I've always enjoyed watching the pats play and win (except when the beat the 9ers or broncos!)

But, if they are cheating at levels way way beyond, which I'll concede we don't know yet, that is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Who knows yet. It could just be a silly 'hey, everybody does this' slap on the wrist, or it could be endemic.


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I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue


I hadn't thought about that. The shoe is finally on [another] foot.

See how hard it is to maintain a dynasty? At the end of the day, nobody likes dynasties...


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jgloporto wrote:
I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform.

First, they haven't dropped asterisks on anything officially. you're free to place all the imaginary ones you want.

Second, this is the same as the HGH in that regard. regardless of which teams has which information, you still have to go out and execute. Manning said it best yesterday. I know teams are stealing my audibles, so I change them. Every Play. And even if I know you're blitzing, if my letf tackle misses a block, I'm still getting creamed. It's an advantage, sure, but coaches don't play.

As for the com, it happens all the time in stadiums all over the league. But if one team loses it, they both do. The league monitors that pretty tightly. Not to say the "lapses " weren't intentional , but even if they were, Belechick would have to sacrifice his own com for the effort. There'd be no advantage after that. They'd both be deaf.

I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue

Hmm, I don't think I'd place the pats in the same category as the yankess. I hate the yankees. It's easy to hate them because their payroll is 3x anyone elses and they buy the best players year after year. I've always enjoyed watching the pats play and win (except when the beat the 9ers or broncos!)

But, if they are cheating at levels way way beyond, which I'll concede we don't know yet, that is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Who knows yet. It could just be a silly 'hey, everybody does this' slap on the wrist, or it could be endemic.

The problem with hating the Yankees for spending all that money is that I'd have to hate the Mets, too. And Boston fans can't use that reason either. Instead, I hate the Yankees because I was brought up to do so. And because they deserve it.


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wideguy wrote:
jgloporto wrote:
I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform.

First, they haven't dropped asterisks on anything officially. you're free to place all the imaginary ones you want.

Second, this is the same as the HGH in that regard. regardless of which teams has which information, you still have to go out and execute. Manning said it best yesterday. I know teams are stealing my audibles, so I change them. Every Play. And even if I know you're blitzing, if my letf tackle misses a block, I'm still getting creamed. It's an advantage, sure, but coaches don't play.

As for the com, it happens all the time in stadiums all over the league. But if one team loses it, they both do. The league monitors that pretty tightly. Not to say the "lapses " weren't intentional , but even if they were, Belechick would have to sacrifice his own com for the effort. There'd be no advantage after that. They'd both be deaf.

I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue

Hmm, I don't think I'd place the pats in the same category as the yankess. I hate the yankees. It's easy to hate them because their payroll is 3x anyone elses and they buy the best players year after year. I've always enjoyed watching the pats play and win (except when the beat the 9ers or broncos!)

But, if they are cheating at levels way way beyond, which I'll concede we don't know yet, that is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Who knows yet. It could just be a silly 'hey, everybody does this' slap on the wrist, or it could be endemic.

The problem with hating the Yankees for spending all that money is that I'd have to hate the Mets, too. And Boston fans can't use that reason either. Instead, I hate the Yankees because I was brought up to do so. And because they deserve it.

How bout just hating (ok hate is a strong word, maybe disliking) baseball because they have no salary cap?


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snoopy138 wrote:
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jgloporto wrote:
I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform.

First, they haven't dropped asterisks on anything officially. you're free to place all the imaginary ones you want.

Second, this is the same as the HGH in that regard. regardless of which teams has which information, you still have to go out and execute. Manning said it best yesterday. I know teams are stealing my audibles, so I change them. Every Play. And even if I know you're blitzing, if my letf tackle misses a block, I'm still getting creamed. It's an advantage, sure, but coaches don't play.

As for the com, it happens all the time in stadiums all over the league. But if one team loses it, they both do. The league monitors that pretty tightly. Not to say the "lapses " weren't intentional , but even if they were, Belechick would have to sacrifice his own com for the effort. There'd be no advantage after that. They'd both be deaf.

I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue

Hmm, I don't think I'd place the pats in the same category as the yankess. I hate the yankees. It's easy to hate them because their payroll is 3x anyone elses and they buy the best players year after year. I've always enjoyed watching the pats play and win (except when the beat the 9ers or broncos!)

But, if they are cheating at levels way way beyond, which I'll concede we don't know yet, that is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Who knows yet. It could just be a silly 'hey, everybody does this' slap on the wrist, or it could be endemic.

The problem with hating the Yankees for spending all that money is that I'd have to hate the Mets, too. And Boston fans can't use that reason either. Instead, I hate the Yankees because I was brought up to do so. And because they deserve it.

How bout just hating (ok hate is a strong word, maybe disliking) baseball because they have no salary cap?

It is actually a tough one for me. On the one hand, the situation with the yankees and other big $ baseball teams seems to be vastly inequitable... and don't we want some level of baseline equality in sports? And yes, the yankees do deserve to be hated regardless.

But this raises an ethical quandry for me. We've just been talking about how the pats are big cheaters. But, I myself benefitted from numerous pre-salary cap superbowl wins by the 49ers, when they competed with the cowboys for expensive rosters and lombardi trophies.


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mturner wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
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wideguy wrote:
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I don't know. They dropped asterics like snow with all the HGH stuff. HGH isn't even as bad, I mean even with HGH you still have to perform.

First, they haven't dropped asterisks on anything officially. you're free to place all the imaginary ones you want.

Second, this is the same as the HGH in that regard. regardless of which teams has which information, you still have to go out and execute. Manning said it best yesterday. I know teams are stealing my audibles, so I change them. Every Play. And even if I know you're blitzing, if my letf tackle misses a block, I'm still getting creamed. It's an advantage, sure, but coaches don't play.

As for the com, it happens all the time in stadiums all over the league. But if one team loses it, they both do. The league monitors that pretty tightly. Not to say the "lapses " weren't intentional , but even if they were, Belechick would have to sacrifice his own com for the effort. There'd be no advantage after that. They'd both be deaf.

I must say, now I know how the Yankees fans must feel. So many people with so much seething hatred, just begging for a chink they can exploit. Next will be the complaint that they schedule game time in collusion with the league so their opponents will have the sun in their eyes first quarter.

LOL!Tongue

Hmm, I don't think I'd place the pats in the same category as the yankess. I hate the yankees. It's easy to hate them because their payroll is 3x anyone elses and they buy the best players year after year. I've always enjoyed watching the pats play and win (except when the beat the 9ers or broncos!)

But, if they are cheating at levels way way beyond, which I'll concede we don't know yet, that is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Who knows yet. It could just be a silly 'hey, everybody does this' slap on the wrist, or it could be endemic.

The problem with hating the Yankees for spending all that money is that I'd have to hate the Mets, too. And Boston fans can't use that reason either. Instead, I hate the Yankees because I was brought up to do so. And because they deserve it.

How bout just hating (ok hate is a strong word, maybe disliking) baseball because they have no salary cap?

It is actually a tough one for me. On the one hand, the situation with the yankees and other big $ baseball teams seems to be vastly inequitable... and don't we want some level of baseline equality in sports? And yes, the yankees do deserve to be hated regardless.

But this raises an ethical quandry for me. We've just been talking about how the pats are big cheaters. But, I myself benefitted from numerous pre-salary cap superbowl wins by the 49ers, when they competed with the cowboys for expensive rosters and lombardi trophies.

Sure enough, I too was cheering for the 49ers. But it's never too late to change. We're not talking about putting asterics next to the Yankees WS wins in the last decade, we're just saying from now on they shouldn't have that financial edge.

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