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sungam
Sep 9, 2008, 12:13 PM
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lwilson wrote: And why does it make a difference if I like to put on crampons, freeze my ass off, and hike up iced-over scree to climb a piece of beautiful ice? Does that make me more privileged to wear these brands? Just curious. I think he was accepting that you can't really climb ice in cut-off dickies.
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Valarc
Sep 9, 2008, 1:25 PM
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I absolutely wear "climbing clothes". Whatever I can find in the clearance bin at REI, or at the scratch-n-dent sales, I scoop up. I used to climb in cheap wal-mart and old navy shit, but they fell apart quickly. The higher end stuff has proven to be more durable, and things like gusseted crotches are mighty handy for those nasty high steps... More importantly, though, moisture control is a big deal. I wear a lot of wicking underwear, breathable fabrics, and stuff with vents. I am a big fat fucker, and I sweat like crazy... high end clothes contribute greatly to the prevention of swamp ass and crotch rot. When I was climbing in my Hanes cotton boxers, I was worlds less comfortable than I am in a pair of REI wicking shorts. High end athletic clothes are well worth the price, but I am still a cheap bastard and only buy the heavily discounted stuff.
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lwilson
Sep 9, 2008, 1:37 PM
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haha ! Ok, I see that's what he meant now, my bad. But, what happens if at the bar afterwards, I change into my comfy 'climbing clothes'? Does it still make a difference?
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sungam
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lwilson wrote: haha ! Ok, I see that's what he meant now, my bad. But, what happens if at the bar afterwards, I change into my comfy 'climbing clothes'? Does it still make a difference? Yeah, it makes a difference. The difference is you don't have a bar full of people wishing that the stinky guy in the dirty cloaths with the talcum on his hands would leave.
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happiegrrrl
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I boycott Walmart and their type for nearly all purchases.(I have bought propane, styro coolers/ice and a cheap pillow for destinations I flew to); the pillow is, by tradition, passed on to someone staying at the camp area when I leave, as are any other items that can't get back on the plane, like the fuel and foods that cannot travel). So - even though my income is probably a lot less that many people who shop those stores, I won't use their goods for ethical reasons(I have seen how they come to their retail prices and it is predatory). I can't really afford Prana/North Face/Patagonia, etc. at whim, but I do prefer to have pants that are cut for the flexibility, and so they are my choice when I do purchase. Of course, all those brands sell styles that don't offer that flexibility, and I don't buy those styles. I haven't really been in a clothing store other that the outdoor gear stores in....a few years. Even though I live in the retail mecca of the US, I just cannot stand the energy in most stores. So....those venues are out. Thrift shops - I ain't into the time spent sifting through the thrift. It's very similar to the energy of any retail store, for me, and therefore distasteful. I prefer to spend my time elsewhere(like pecking away at internet boards.....oy veh). Clothes purchasing is sort of done as needed, not as a fix. I actually need a few new items soon, but I don't know if I can spring the cash for them. We'll see. p.s - I like Prana capris on guys. The looseness at the hips, and then the bare lower legs,,,,Show off those sexy calf muscles men!
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i_h8_choss
Sep 9, 2008, 2:15 PM
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i usually wear......uhhh.....whatever the hell i want too! my shoes are my favorite piece though.
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Lazlo
Sep 9, 2008, 2:22 PM
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I won't leave the house without my Mountain Hardware shirt and Prana zip-offs. Yeah. You read that right. Zip-offs. Deal with it.
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 2:24 PM
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I only wear Liz Claiborne, oops, I mean Prana.
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dingus
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Its the city people with their bright colors and complicated shoes. They really should issue visas. DMT
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 2:34 PM
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dingus wrote: Its the city people with their bright colors and complicated shoes. It's true! My clothes seem to attract hummingbirds. At least I think it's my clothes because it can't be my smell.
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Lazlo
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I think the real issue is 'what clothes better facilitate oneness with the rock?' ...foolish me. We've covered this. Nekedness.
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wonderwoman
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Just don't fall on slab.
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shockabuku
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Valarc wrote: More importantly, though, moisture control is a big deal. I wear a lot of wicking underwear, breathable fabrics, and stuff with vents. I am a big fat fucker, and I sweat like crazy... high end clothes contribute greatly to the prevention of swamp ass and crotch rot. When I was climbing in my Hanes cotton boxers, I was worlds less comfortable than I am in a pair of REI wicking shorts. None is better than wicking - that's what you learn in the jungle where swamp ass ends you up with cotton candy growing out of your crack (for real - just not so sweet and pretty colored).
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markc
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An August trip to the Daks some years ago changed my tune on technical clothing, at least to a degree. For the first day of hiking about, I wore a pair of cotton cargo shorts. As the day wore on, they were increasingly sweaty, heavy, and uncomfortable. I bought a pair of Royal Robbins shorts at the end of the day, and wore them for the rest of the trip. I'm not going to suggest I climbed any better, but I was certainly more comfortable. I still wear a decent bit of cotton when cragging, but my collection of technical clothing has expanded over the years. I've bought much of it for multipitch climbing and trips. (I recently bought a few more wicking shirts and wind shirt I didn't need for my first trip to Yosemite this summer.) If I own it, I might as well get my use out of it. What doesn't register for me is purchasing really expensive, non-technical clothing. That said, to each their own.
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carabiner96
Sep 9, 2008, 3:15 PM
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As long as people don't dress like sluts, i'm cool.
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dingus
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We LIKE our technical clothing round these parts... Complicated shoes and ALL! DMT
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wonderwoman
Sep 9, 2008, 3:20 PM
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carabiner96 wrote: As long as people don't dress like sluts, i'm cool. But I get a mean heel hook in stilettos. What's the problem?
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Lazlo
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wonderwoman wrote: carabiner96 wrote: As long as people don't dress like sluts, i'm cool. But I get a mean heel hook in stilettos. What's the problem? If aid is your gig, it's fine. Otherwise I'd get the ethics-police on the case. Believe me, they exist. They exist.
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carabiner96
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wonderwoman wrote: carabiner96 wrote: As long as people don't dress like sluts, i'm cool. But I get a mean heel hook in stilettos. What's the problem? That depends if they're Mudd heels or manolo blahnik.
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Maddhatter
Sep 9, 2008, 3:26 PM
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Valarc wrote: I absolutely wear "climbing clothes". Whatever I can find in the clearance bin at REI, or at the scratch-n-dent sales, I scoop up. I used to climb in cheap wal-mart and old navy shit, but they fell apart quickly. The higher end stuff has proven to be more durable, and things like gusseted crotches are mighty handy for those nasty high steps... More importantly, though, moisture control is a big deal. I wear a lot of wicking underwear, breathable fabrics, and stuff with vents. I am a big fat fucker, and I sweat like crazy... high end clothes contribute greatly to the prevention of swamp ass and crotch rot. When I was climbing in my Hanes cotton boxers, I was worlds less comfortable than I am in a pair of REI wicking shorts. High end athletic clothes are well worth the price, but I am still a cheap bastard and only buy the heavily discounted stuff. Wow!! Maybe your not a complete moron. This is the best post in this tread. 2x he makes some very good points.
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happiegrrrl wrote: I boycott Walmart and their type for nearly all purchases.(I have bought propane, styro coolers/ice and a cheap pillow for destinations I flew to); the pillow is, by tradition, passed on to someone staying at the camp area when I leave, as are any other items that can't get back on the plane, like the fuel and foods that cannot travel). So - even though my income is probably a lot less that many people who shop those stores, I won't use their goods for ethical reasons(I have seen how they come to their retail prices and it is predatory). I can't really afford Prana/North Face/Patagonia, etc. at whim, but I do prefer to have pants that are cut for the flexibility, and so they are my choice when I do purchase. Of course, all those brands sell styles that don't offer that flexibility, and I don't buy those styles. I haven't really been in a clothing store other that the outdoor gear stores in....a few years. Even though I live in the retail mecca of the US, I just cannot stand the energy in most stores. So....those venues are out. Thrift shops - I ain't into the time spent sifting through the thrift. It's very similar to the energy of any retail store, for me, and therefore distasteful. I prefer to spend my time elsewhere(like pecking away at internet boards.....oy veh). Clothes purchasing is sort of done as needed, not as a fix. I actually need a few new items soon, but I don't know if I can spring the cash for them. We'll see. p.s - I like Prana capris on guys. The looseness at the hips, and then the bare lower legs,,,,Show off those sexy calf muscles men! that's kind of the answer i was looking for. we could probably hang out. I hate wal-mart and certainly understand the benefit (to me and the environment) of buying clothes at outdoor shops.
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Valarc
Sep 9, 2008, 4:02 PM
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shockabuku wrote: None is better than wicking - that's what you learn in the jungle where swamp ass ends you up with cotton candy growing out of your crack (for real - just not so sweet and pretty colored). In the jungle, perhaps, but climbing? When wearing loose garments, I've gotten my gigantic balls squished by a harness on several occasions. For me, it's snug-fitting wicking drawers to keep the boys under control, and loose-fitting pants to give me freedom of movement. I guess I could go with the lycra, but I'll stick with my poseur REI-purchased gear, thank ya very much. Next to the spandex tights, prana manpris suddenly don't look so ghey.
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I've been climbing the last two weekends in 95+ heat/70%+ humidity, so wicking layers are a must. As far as buying "climbing clothes"; I have some REI wicking underwear that I paid full-price for, cheap wicking shirts from Academy, and Prana Mojo shorts (very light-weight) that I bought with my 30% coupon from REI. I try to catch thing on the sale racks at REI or on Steep&Cheap.
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it's got little to do with climbing better or looking a certain way... it's all about function and comfort. People who've not worn/used technical gear don't understand until they've actually tried it. I used to snowboard in a thick cotton hoodie, scorning all those snobs who wore "fancy" wicking tops and breathable shells and pants.... i was fine in my soaking wet cotton hoodie and old-school 5-dollar-wallmart hunter's waffle-thermals ... UNTIL i received a pair of thermax base layers and a technical fleece with pit zips as a gift. The first time i stopped for lunch and realized that i was DRY and didn't have to peel a cotton layer off my wet body.. i realized how ridiculous it was that i was judging all those 'posers'. There's a reason prana sells so well... the sheite works! Try on a pair of stretchy prana pants with a gusseted crotch then do a hanging belay and you'll immediately KNOW the difference.... your nutz won't be split in two by the seam in the middle (like they are by a pair of cheap pair of cargo pants from the Old Navy) and the legs won't get stuck on your knees every time you try to high-step. Sure there are posers out there who don't climb but like to look the part but so what... for as many posers there are, there are hard-core climbes who like to be comfortable, dry and not look like a homeless person. *laugh* Besides if the cost is the issue... hit up rei, ems, gear-x or any of the web stores every now and again and you'll eventually find all the supposedly poser-gear on super sale. I've never paid more than $30 for mountain hardware or prana pants. and just to support his thought: check this out: prana knickers retail for 60, on sale for 30. http://www.ems.com/..._id=2534374302889362 garamacci pants retail 60 sale 30 http://www.ems.com/..._id=2534374302889362 ems crag pants retail 50 sale 23 http://www.ems.com/..._id=2534374302889362 men's ems techwick shirt retail 35 sale 15. (you can't get a decent t-shirt for 15, let alone something tech) http://www.ems.com/..._id=2534374302889362 you MAY have to buy stuff off season tho. Try it once... you'll feel the difference. Will you suddenly climb a 5.12, of course not ... BUT you WILL be damn comfortable when you try!
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