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jt512
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gmggg wrote: Shit! 36. Damn you red grigri!!!! Damn you to hell!!!!! How much point break can I get if the red is ~60-70% scratched off?
I would be suspicious of a badly worn red grigri, since red grigris haven't been around for long. I would tend to suspect an intentional attempt to disguise one's true n00biescence.
Jay
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tedman
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Dang 56...although up that to 67 if red gates on mammut classic draws count. So if you belay with a grigri/cinch and carry an ATC for rapping, you still get dinged for having 2 belay devices?
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gmggg
Aug 11, 2009, 8:22 PM
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shoo wrote: Harness not by Petzl: 5 points Does not have a grigri: 10 points. I was actually intending to get a cinch, but I'm not sure I can go any higher on this without risking certain n00bhood. Rope bag, not Metolius: 5 points. My 59 cent blue Ikea bag is the best rope bag/tarp I've ever owned. I'll take my points with pride for this one. No stick clip: 10 points. Seriously? A stick clip is for experts? If Henry Barber were ever to be found with a stick clip, he'd probably be using it to thwack n00bs over the head. Red items: 1 point, for my harness Total: 31. I can live with that.
I want a red harness to match my shoes and grigri.
I think color matched climbing gear (of any color) should be counted as well.
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knieveltech
Aug 11, 2009, 8:25 PM
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dingus wrote: knieveltech wrote: 120 points for two girth hitched slings and a couple of lockers? Harsh.  Harsh, yes. But indicative my man, indicative. DMT
*sigh* Guess I'll put my gym tags back on my harness now.
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jt512
Aug 11, 2009, 8:26 PM
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tedman wrote: Dang 56...although up that to 67 if red gates on mammut classic draws count. So if you belay with a grigri/cinch and carry an ATC for rapping, you still get dinged for having 2 belay devices?
Plus another 10 for rapping.
Jay
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gmggg
Aug 11, 2009, 8:27 PM
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dingus wrote: caughtinside wrote: gmggg wrote: Shit! 36. Damn you red grigri!!!! Damn you to hell!!!!! How much point break can I get if the red is ~60-70% scratched off? How does it count if I wear my Misty Mountain Cadillac?? + or - it's hard to tell... wall harness to sport climb, +20. No. Wall Harness to trad = _+20 (either points or pounds, either will work) Wall harness to sport climbing? That's gotta be +50, at least. (yes I have done both, fairly recently haha - but I slimmed down again and the Misty Lard Bucket is no longer a necessity! Yay for me!) DMT
+50 sounds right.
Next question... What if someone carries their draws on a shoulder sling, either gear sling, or just a doubled 60?
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jt512
Aug 11, 2009, 8:30 PM
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gmggg wrote: dingus wrote: caughtinside wrote: gmggg wrote: Shit! 36. Damn you red grigri!!!! Damn you to hell!!!!! How much point break can I get if the red is ~60-70% scratched off? How does it count if I wear my Misty Mountain Cadillac?? + or - it's hard to tell... wall harness to sport climb, +20. No. Wall Harness to trad = _+20 (either points or pounds, either will work) Wall harness to sport climbing? That's gotta be +50, at least. (yes I have done both, fairly recently haha - but I slimmed down again and the Misty Lard Bucket is no longer a necessity! Yay for me!) DMT +50 sounds right. Next question... What if someone carries their draws on a shoulder sling, either gear sling, or just a doubled 60?
You mean on a sling over the shoulder—like, not in a backpack???!!!11
Jay
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gmggg
Aug 11, 2009, 8:32 PM
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jt512 wrote: gmggg wrote: Shit! 36. Damn you red grigri!!!! Damn you to hell!!!!! How much point break can I get if the red is ~60-70% scratched off? I would be suspicious of a badly worn red grigri, since red grigris haven't been around for long. I would tend to suspect an intentional attempt to disguise one's true n00biescence. Jay
2 years is enough for for me to ruin just about anything. Gear, daughters, my technique, etc...
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bandycoot
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shoo wrote: caughtinside wrote: Might have to factor in a +10 for using the tripled up runners on bolts. Screw that. Worn tripled runners as draws indicates trad experience, neutral points. Worn, knotted 1" mil-spec slings on Chouinard 'biners gets you -10. Brand new tripled runners and 'biners should net you +10.
I totally disagree... Having made the painful conversion from pure trad climbing to having a clue at the sport crag (I used to onsight trad climb harder than I could sport climb) and realizing how little I knew in the realm of overhung sport climbing techniques, tripled trad draws should be a minus regardless.....
I'm proud to say that my hardest redpoint is still a pure gear climb as of last Saturday. I think it's probably good I'm in the questionable range...
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gmggg
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jt512 wrote: You mean on a sling over the shoulder—like, not in a backpack???!!!11 Jay
Hell yeah!! You can see the world at the crags of the northeast.
Also, shirtless with a beanie while climbing, + or -?
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squishy654
Aug 11, 2009, 8:47 PM
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Curry Village butter knife with keeper hole: -300
Any Fish products: -100
Mountaineers coil: +10
Army surplus anything: -10
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shoo
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squishy654 wrote: Army surplus anything: -10
Absolutely not. I have seen many former actual military climbers with army surplus gear. They are without question some of the most dangerously n00bulous climbers I have every experienced. Moreso, they tend to think they know what they are doing because they rappelled on a fig 8 once in basic training and don't take advice kindly.
If there just happens to be some former military peoples reading these forums, the location on my profile is a fake. I actually live in North Dakota.
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gmggg
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shoo wrote: squishy654 wrote: Army surplus anything: -10 Absolutely not. I have seen many former actual military climbers with army surplus gear. They are without question some of the most dangerously n00bulous climbers I have every experienced. Moreso, they tend to think they know what they are doing because they rappelled on a fig 8 once in basic training and don't take advice kindly. If there just happens to be some former military peoples reading these forums, the location on my profile is a fake. I actually live in North Dakota.
+1
Also, much army surplus lies in the hands of teenage gumbs who don't know better.
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squishy654
Aug 11, 2009, 9:10 PM
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I am ex-Army and I rapped with a figure eight long before that in the Boy Scouts what does that make them?
I wear old Army T shirts while climbing because I don't want to pay over 20 bucks for something that isn't cotton. While I do agree that some ex military people act like noobs, I dare you to lump them all into "n00bulous". Basically you need to remember who your talking to, and in some regard you are the noob for making such gross assumptions...
Early Yosemite climbing was done on nothing but old army surplus biners and gear...go ahead and make sure you call them noobs too...
I was actually talking about surplus military gear, not veterans, if you want to drag them into it, you're asking for a hurting...
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jt512
Aug 11, 2009, 9:14 PM
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squishy654 wrote: I am ex-Army...
+10
In reply to: ...and I rapped with a figure eight long before that in the Boy Scouts....
+20
In reply to: I wear old Army T shirts while climbing....
+15
Jay
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Aug 11, 2009, 9:17 PM
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You know, I'm still in the Army, have been since 1985 in one form or another, and I've never rappelled with a figure of eight while in uniform.
But generally he's right, most soldiers don't know shit about climbing in it's modern form.
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knieveltech
Aug 11, 2009, 9:17 PM
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squishy654 wrote: I am ex-Army and I rapped with a figure eight long before that in the Boy Scouts what does that make them? I wear old Army T shirts while climbing because I don't want to pay over 20 bucks for something that isn't cotton. While I do agree that some ex military people act like noobs, I dare you to lump them all into "n00bulous". Basically you need to remember who your talking to, and in some regard you are the noob for making such gross assumptions... Early Yosemite climbing was done on nothing but old army surplus biners and gear...go ahead and make sure you call them noobs too... I was actually talking about surplus military gear, not veterans, if you want to drag them into it, you're asking for a hurting...
Butt-hurt threatening tones on the internet +20?
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squishy654
Aug 11, 2009, 9:21 PM
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jt512 wrote: squishy654 wrote: I am ex-Army... +10 In reply to: ...and I rapped with a figure eight long before that in the Boy Scouts.... +20 In reply to: I wear old Army T shirts while climbing.... +15 Jay
Hell ya, now I'm noob...!!!
at least I don't clip bolts...
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jt512
Aug 11, 2009, 9:22 PM
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squishy654 wrote: jt512 wrote: squishy654 wrote: I am ex-Army... +10 In reply to: ...and I rapped with a figure eight long before that in the Boy Scouts.... +20 In reply to: I wear old Army T shirts while climbing.... +15 Jay Hell ya, now I'm noob...!!! at least I don't clip bolts...
+100
Jay
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shoo
Aug 11, 2009, 9:29 PM
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squishy654 wrote: ...in some regard you are the noob for making such gross assumptions...
I seem to have mistaken the purpose of this thread.
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In reply to: at least I don't clip bolts...
Damn boulderers.
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squishy654
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The assumption was that if you carry surplus army gear you must be ex-military. When in fact surplus military gear was all they had in the beginning of Yosemite climbing, but I guess this post is only read by those who do not value such history or even know of it...my bad...I shouldn't be surprised when it turns into a vet bashing thread...it's understandable based on the population I am speaking too...
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hansundfritz
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squishy654 wrote: Curry Village butter knife with keeper hole: -300 Any Fish products: -100 Mountaineers coil: +10 Army surplus anything: -10
So my 10 brand new FISH slings more than offset my mountaineers coil? Cool.
Note to self: order at least 3 different colors next time assist with gear sorting/untangling.
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gmggg
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squishy654 wrote: The assumption was that if you carry surplus army gear you must be ex-military. When in fact surplus military gear was all they had in the beginning of Yosemite climbing, but I guess this post is only read by those who do not value such history or even know of it...my bad...I shouldn't be surprised when it turns into a vet bashing thread...it's understandable based on the population I am speaking too...
Yeah damn Commies!!
Oh wait climbing history had a few of those...
Yeah damn pot smokers!!!
Oh wait...
Getting this back on track, how does some ganj factor into your rating of your prospective partner?
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squishy654
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Using old submarine bunk as portaledge: -100
Bonus, if it was stolen from House keeping camp...
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