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Long-time Black Hills climber Paul Duvall in Critical Condition Paul Duvall is in a Mexican hospital in critical but stable condition after being robbed and brutally beaten near Monterrey, Mexico.

Paul and his partner Karen have spent many wonderful winters living and climbing in Mexico at El Potrero Chico. Paul and Karen were driving from another climbing area back toward home when they stopped on the ramp of a freeway overpass to make supper. Three men broke their van window while they were parked.

Thankfully Karen was not injured but Paul was beaten severely, sustaining head injuries and life threatening internal injuries to his lungs, kidneys and pancreas. Paul spent a week in an emergency hospital, and has been transferred to another hospital in San Luis Potosi where he is still in critical but stable condition. He has regained consciousness, but is presently being kept sedated and asleep. Karen says four or five different doctors are watching over Paul and he has been receiving excellent care. Karen asks that everyone keep Paul in their prayers and send him positive energy for a complete recovery.

Karen and Paul love Mexico and have a great community of friends throughout the country. Karen is quick to mention that this could have happened anywhere, and hopes that people don’t unfairly assume Mexico is inherently dangerous.

Karen is staying in a hotel next to the hospital and can be reached by phone at 011-52-444-813-3797 extension 1026 between 7-10 p.m Central Time. Paul and Karen, we are all thinking of you! We hope Paul is out of the hospital soon!!!

Bruce

I became friends with Paul and Karen years ago when I was lucky enough to be in a history course at BHSU with her daughter. They are wonderful people, and I ask that you all keep them in your hearts and prayers.


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why is this in community? I don't know Paul or Karen, but I hate to hear when someone has trouble in Mexico. Best of luck to him.


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Best of luck to both of them... They will be in my prayers...


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i've spent quite a bit of time climbing in mexico, and encountered more dicey situations there than in all my other travels combined. to say you don't have to be really, really heads-up in mexico is crazy. some parts of mexico are truly dangerous...like many places in the u.s., of course, but at least here there is a little bit more control when a situation goes bad.

i knew and climbed with paul when i lived in boston. i'm terribly saddened to hear this news. godspeed, and here's to a quick recovery.


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Shit, that is terrible to happen to anyone. My best wishes for a quick recovery.

Just goes to remind you to be careful, dont take your safety for granted where ever you are in the world.


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I've been in touch with Karen and she asks that everyone send their prayers and healing energy...It is really so sad what happened as they are both such beautiful people. My prayers and good wishes go out to them both.


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that's terrible. anyone know the prognosis? is the hospital care down there good?

best wishes.


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Paul is still in intensive care, and recovering from an operation on his pancreas to do with complications from a Staph infection. he is responding well to the antibiotics, but he is still on a ventilator. Karen says he should be awake today (Tuesday, April 12th) and the doctors are now optimistic about his recovery...


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New Mexico is sketchy enough, to think that Mexico is more sketchy, which everyone I know that has EVER climbed there says, is what keeps me from El Salto and the Potrero. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.


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[quote="moonshine505"]New Mexico is sketchy enough, to think that Mexico is more sketchy, which everyone I know that has EVER climbed there says, is what keeps me from El Salto and the Potrero. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
I climb at El Salto and El Potrero and as much as I love these places I have to say that they really do not reflect the 'real Mexico'. I feel safe climbing there, but these climbing areas are very close to the US border and the campgrounds at Potrero are so totally set up for tourists it hardly feels like Mexico...Paul and Karen were much further South outside of San Luis Potosi and they were off the highway when they were attacked.


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I feel safe climbing there, but these climbing areas are very close to the US border and the campgrounds at Potrero are so totally set up for tourists it hardly feels like Mexico...

I usually feel safer farther away from tourist areas. You get criminals 'poaching' the tourist areas for the very reason that there are tourists there. Farther off the beaten track most people you meet are incredibly nice and the 'criminals' you do meet are mostly just normal guys who see an opportunity and take it because they have so little.

Dont make yourself a target. Be nice to people. It goes a long way.

That said, you can always be incredibly unlucky as this case appears to be.


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You should not let this tragic incident keep you from visiting El Potrero Chico (or anywhere else in Mexico).

I have lived here for 15 years and have seen thousands of climbers visit from all over the world and nobody has had any trouble at all.


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i've spent quite a bit of time climbing in mexico, and encountered more dicey situations there than in all my other travels combined. to say you don't have to be really, really heads-up in mexico is crazy. some parts of mexico are truly dangerous...like many places in the u.s., of course, but at least here there is a little bit more control when a situation goes bad.

I DISAGREE. I have traveled pretty extensively throughout Mexico and Central America, even for extended periods (e.g. six months). And I have NEVER had a bad situation.

Granted, I try not to travel like an obnoxious tourist (e.g. sterotypical Ugly American). Instead I am situationally aware, and not try to force my culture on others.

Someone else mentioned New Mexico....I believe last time I was in New mexico (NM), there was a sign on the Denny's restaurant wall that stated "no guns, or teens after 10:00"??

Just last week I was in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (climbing, surfing, clubbing, etc.) and not a single thing happened. Same safe experience as when I was in remote, rural Mexican areas and older, urban Mexican areas...

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I am sure this unfortunate couple was traveling like travelers, not like ugly tourists. Nonetheless, things happen. My prayers go out to them.

JD

NOTE: It is Monday AM and I have yet to drink my coffee. Sorry if this rant is unclear...


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I use to do work for conservation organizations in Mexico in remote rural areas and never had anything happen...Potrero Chico IS about the saftest place I have been at in the US or MX and it is my sincerest hope that no one would hesitate to visit El Potero because of what happened to Paul and Karen many miles away in another part of Mexico.


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Best wishes, heal and recover fast.

I've spent some time in rural and urban Mexico climbing, paragliding, etc. Never had a problem.

I found myself in an uncomfortable situation in Mexico City once, but nothing came of it.

This beating and robbery could have happened just as easily in the US, or any other country.


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sending out good ju ju...
heal fast and strong.
goddess bless!

~T


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i've spent quite a bit of time climbing in mexico, and encountered more dicey situations there than in all my other travels combined. to say you don't have to be really, really heads-up in mexico is crazy. some parts of mexico are truly dangerous...like many places in the u.s., of course, but at least here there is a little bit more control when a situation goes bad.

I believe that part of the "problem" is not as much Mexico as it is that anytime you are somewhere that the culture is not your own and you either do not speak the language or only speak it a little. You are at a disadvantage to avoid and even recognize "dicey situations" I have witnessed many occasions where someone due to a lack of cultural and language understanding either does something very ill advised that causes a "dicey" situation like Flashing lots of cash in a crouded place. or is freaked out by a situation they believe to be dangerous not knowing it is normal in this culture such as a single woman approached by a man in the street or market trying to sell something) it is always scarier when you can't understand what someone is saying.

I haved lived here in Mexico around 9 years and currently live only about 2 hours from Potrero Chico. I feel just as safe here in Mexico as I do in the USA.

To be honest petty theft is a slightly bigger problem here in Mexico than the USA. But all that is needed is a little extra care about where you leave valuables and you should be fine. On the Flip side due to the family emphasis of Mexican culture and the Catholic heritage of Mexico There is less Crime against Children. Perhaps you have seen Western movies where the cattle rustlers break every law but draw the line at mistreating a woman. In the USA moral criminals have become few and far between here in Mexico because of the deep roots of the catholic church in the culture it is still very common. The Mexican people are very protective of all children.

My advice is be extra careful where you set your purse or wallet but don't let worry stop you from enjoying Mexico it is actually in some ways safer than the USA. And be sure to ask advice of a trustworthy culturally literate individual about what situations are or are not "dicey"

My regrets to everyone who has been assulted or robbed in Mexico or anywhere else for that matter but unless you would allow an assalt report near Yosemite stop you from ever going there don't let it stop you from Visiting Mexico It is a beatiful and Fun place to visit with wonderful locals


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First of all, i wish a quick recovery to Mr. Duvall.

Second, i have to say that from what i have read so far in this post, very few people here know what Mexico is really about. If it was really dangerous to come here, our beautiful mountains wouldn´t be full with citizens of the USA (and every other country, for that matter) every summer.
Sure, bad incidents happen now and then, but i have had my share of racism and hostility the times i have gone to Hueco, for example. And i DO speak the local language and understand the culture. I believe, in all due respect, that if the citizens of the USA (i´m sorry i can´t call you americans, because i was taught that all who live in the american continent ARE americans) stopped assuming that everywhere they go they will be understood and took the responsibility to learn the language and basic culture aspects, agressions such as this would be far fewer. And that is not saying that there are a lot of incidents.
Trying to draw as less attention to yourself as you can is also very useful when you are away from home. Most of us are very welcoming (ask the spaniards :cry: ) but then again, every head is a world and it´s hard to predict everyone´s actions.

I´ve read my share of cr@p in this post ("Potrero hardly feels like Mexico", "to say you don't have to be really, really heads-up in mexico is crazy", "here there is a little bit more control when a situation goes bad", etc.) I can tell you, as a mexican AND a climber, that Mexico is not more dangerous than any other place if you have true traveling skills. Then again, as other poster said, you can always get hit by bad luck.

Those of you who choose coming here, i recommend the Sierra Tarahumara in my beautiful Chihuahua, 6 hours south of New Mexico.
Those of you who choose to be afraid of foreigners, we can do without you.

Cheers.


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Before you lay blame about lack of culture or langugae on Paul and his life partner, you should know:

Both Speak Spanish.

Both know about Mexican culture, not from books, but from the countless winter they have spent there. They actually own a house there.

Paul, in his 60's would not have put up a fight either.

Morfre prayers


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I think that´s pretty much covered in the "bad luck clause" of my previous post, then. In no way i meant to condone the senseless aggression, as all aggressions are. But i could not keep quiet to some stuff i read. Scumbags like those who attacked Mr. Duvall give my country a bad reputation, but we do not possess any patent on them: they happen to be a worldwide spread phenomena.
And certainly Mexico does not posses the patent on aggression either. We welcome everyone, but at some point something bad IS GOING TO HAPPEN... it´s not me, it´s the odds.
Good luck to him and congratulations and utmost respect to his wife for not running into fear for consolation.


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Most of us are very welcoming (ask the spaniards :cry: )

Hey, don't be a hater! :wink:

Prayers and best wishes for a speedy (and uneventful) recovery! I agree with what a lot of people seem to be saying: it could happen to anybody, anywhere, not just Mexico, and it's not always due to any lack of cultural knowledge. I know plenty of New Yorkers who get mugged (badly) in NYC, and these people *know* The City.

Either way, it's a terrible thing, I'm sorry to hear that it happened at all.


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Hope Paul is doing well and healing fast.


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Most of us are very welcoming (ask the spaniards :cry: )

Hey, don't be a hater! :wink:

I´m not, i swear... but sometimes i get pissed off when people put tags on us mexicans :( I´m sorry if i offended anyone.


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I´m not, i swear... but sometimes i get pissed off when people put tags on us mexicans :( I´m sorry if i offended anyone.

Heh, I know - it's just that we Spaniards got a bad rap after little things like conquering the Americas (the hard way) and that whole Inquisition thing... ;)

No worries, no offense taken! If anything, I got a good laugh.


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"I can tell you, as a mexican AND a climber, that Mexico is not more dangerous than any other place if you have true traveling skills."

If you have to have "true traveling skills" not to get into trouble, there are some obvious dangers not as profound as you find in places like Europe or most of the USA. We have our own share of crime in the USA, and I'm not going to point fingers. But if you need to walk on cultural eggshells of constant vigilance in a country to avoid being assaulted or robbed, it's not that safe.

I'll still travel to Mexico with my poorly conjugated Spanish and increasing awareness of local customs (I learn more each visit), but I'll do so at my own risk. I lived in my car for years climbing and traveling in the US and Canada, and had a very few encounters with the occasional highwaymen (usually at rest areas). There is a much greater problem with roving bands of thieves in the Mexican countryside than you encounter here in the US.

The locals in EVERY part of Mexico warned me of this, telling me that tourists from the US and Europe are targeted. They knew that this was not something we dealt with in the USA and did not want us to be caught off guard. Each place you visit has it's good and bad qualities. Mexico has so many things in the plus category to offset it's minuses. Let's just not ignore some of the downsides.

Best wishes on a speedy recovery,
Marc B.


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"I can tell you, as a mexican AND a climber, that Mexico is not more dangerous than any other place if you have true traveling skills."

If you have to have "true traveling skills" not to get into trouble, there are some obvious dangers not as profound as you find in places like Europe or most of the USA. We have our own share of crime in the USA, and I'm not going to point fingers. But if you need to walk on cultural eggshells of constant vigilance in a country to avoid being assaulted or robbed, it's not that safe.

I'll still travel to Mexico with my poorly conjugated Spanish and increasing awareness of local customs (I learn more each visit), but I'll do so at my own risk. I lived in my car for years climbing and traveling in the US and Canada, and had a very few encounters with the occasional highwaymen (usually at rest areas). There is a much greater problem with roving bands of thieves in the Mexican countryside than you encounter here in the US.

The locals in EVERY part of Mexico warned me of this, telling me that tourists from the US and Europe are targeted. They knew that this was not something we dealt with in the USA and did not want us to be caught off guard. Each place you visit has it's good and bad qualities. Mexico has so many things in the plus category to offset it's minuses. Let's just not ignore some of the downsides.

Best wishes on a speedy recovery,
Marc B.


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"I can tell you, as a mexican AND a climber, that Mexico is not more dangerous than any other place if you have true traveling skills."

If you have to have "true traveling skills" not to get into trouble, there are some obvious dangers not as profound as you find in places like Europe or most of the USA. We have our own share of crime in the USA, and I'm not going to point fingers. But if you need to walk on cultural eggshells of constant vigilance in a country to avoid being assaulted or robbed, it's not that safe.

I'll still travel to Mexico with my poorly conjugated Spanish and increasing awareness of local customs (I learn more each visit), but I'll do so at my own risk. I lived in my car for years climbing and traveling in the US and Canada, and had a very few encounters with the occasional highwaymen (usually at rest areas). There is a much greater problem with roving bands of thieves in the Mexican countryside than you encounter here in the US.

The locals in EVERY part of Mexico warned me of this, telling me that tourists from the US and Europe are targeted. They knew that this was not something we dealt with in the USA and did not want us to be caught off guard. Each place you visit has it's good and bad qualities. Mexico has so many things in the plus category to offset it's minuses. Let's just not ignore some of the downsides.

Best wishes on a speedy recovery,
Marc B.


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There have been several valid points made through this post, even if the original post has gone off topic. I make my living protecting execs. and celebs. all over the world I've worked in north and central America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. You never need to walk around on egg shells but you do need to do your homework. Mexico is dangerous so is Europe if you do the wrong things in the wrong areas the same goes for every other country including the US. Anytime you travel here or abroad you should try to learn as much about the customs and culture of your destination as you can. Try to learn a few phrase in there language try to make some notes on things that might be significant to them as far as holidays or the other side of the coin anniversaries of terror attacks. Plan ahead and be sitiuationally aware think about what you would do if something went wrong. There are several websites that can make your travels safer. Feel free to send me a private message if you have questions about a location. Remember people will judge your entire country based on the few people they come into contact from that country. Rather your from the US or somewhere else these little things can save you allot of trouble.
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I'll do so at my own risk

That pretty much says it all. At the end traveling is about taking chances. If taking chances makes a person paranoid, then they should not be traveling in the first place :roll:


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I´m not, i swear... but sometimes i get pissed off when people put tags on us mexicans

As does everyone, so let's not speak of each other in general terms but rather as one human to other humans with all our frailty and strength also. There are myths about everyone's country, some are true, some are not, some are greatly exaggerated.

This isn't myth: http://www.cnn.com/...dnappings/index.html

Prudence and awareness of local customs is a good thing but it is never enough. Current conditions on the US/Mexican border are in fact more dangerous than in times past.

This is from the US Department of State:

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PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman

This information is current as of today, Tue May 03 2005 16:55:39 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time).

Mexico

April 26, 2005

This Public Announcement is to alert U.S. citizens to the continuing unsettled public security situation along the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border. This Public Announcement supercedes the Public Announcement of January 26, 2005 to update the information provided. It expires on July 29, 2005.

Violent criminal activity fueled by a war between criminal organizations struggling for control of the lucrative narcotics trade continues along the U.S.-Mexico border. This has resulted in a wave of violence aimed primarily at members of drug trafficking organizations, criminal justice officials and journalists. However, foreign visitors and residents, including Americans, have been among the victims of homicides and kidnappings in the border region.

A power vacuum within criminal organizations resulting from the imprisonment of several of their leaders along the Mexico-U.S. border continues to contribute to a deterioration of public safety in the region. In recent months, the worst violence has been centered in the city of Nuevo Laredo in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas, where more than 30 U.S. citizens have been kidnapped and/or murdered in the past eight months and public shootouts have occurred during daylight hours near frequented shopping areas and on streets leading to the international bridges. One of the shootouts spilled onto the Mexican side of the bridge itself. Four police officers have been killed in Nuevo Laredo since March.

Mexico's police forces suffer from lack of funds and training, and the judicial system is weak, overworked, and inefficient. Criminals, armed with an impressive array of weapons, know there is little chance they will be caught and punished. In some cases, assailants have been wearing full or partial police uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles, indicating some elements of the police might be involved.

U.S. citizens are urged to be especially aware of safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. While the overwhelming majority of victims of these crimes are Mexican citizens, U.S. citizens nonetheless should be aware of the risk posed by this uncertain security situation. The vast majority of the thousands of U.S. citizens who cross the border each day do so safely, exercising common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas of border towns during daylight hours. It is strongly recommended that red-light districts and neighborhoods where street drug dealing occurs be avoided.

U.S. citizens who are victims of crime in the border region are urged to contact the Consular Section of the nearest U.S. consulate for advice and assistance. The following is contact information for the five U.S. border consulates or consulate generals:

The U.S. Consulate General in Tijuana, which covers the states of Baja California Norte and Baja California Sur, is located at Ave. Tapachula 96, Colonia Hipódromo. The Consulate General's telephone number is (52)(664) 622-7400, the fax for the office of American Citizen Services is (664) 686-1168, and the Consulate General's web address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/tijuana/Teacs.htm.

The U.S. Consulate in Nogales, which covers northern Sonora, is located at Calle San Jose, Fraccionamiento Los Alamos. The Consulate's telephone number is (52)(631) 313-4820, the fax for the Consulate is (52) (631) 313-46-52, the e-mail address for the Consulate is nogales7@prodigy.net.mx and the Consulate's web address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/nogales/NE_Introduction.htm.

The U.S. Consulate General in Ciudad Juárez, which covers the state of Chihuahua, is located at Avenida Lopez Mateos 924 Norte. The Consulate General's telephone number is (52)(656) 611-3000, the fax for the Consulate General is (656) 616-9056, the e-mail address for the Consulate General's Office of American Citizen Services is cdjamericancitizens@state.gov, and the Consulate General's web address is http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/mx2/wwwhmain.html.

The U.S. Consulate in Nuevo Laredo, which covers northern Coahuila and northwestern Tamaulipas states, is located at Calle Allende 3330, Colonia Jardin. The Consulate's telephone number is (52)(867) 714-0512, the e-mail address for the Consulate's Office of American Citizen Services is NuevoLaredo-ACS@state.gov, and the Consulate's web address is http://nuevolaredo.usconsulate.gov/nuevolaredo/index.html.

The U.S. Consulate in Matamoros, which covers eastern and southern Tamaulipas state, is located at Calle Primera #2002, Colonia Jardin. The Consulate's telephone number is (52)(868) 812-4402, the fax for the Consulate is (868) 812-2171, and the Consulate's web address is http://matamoros.usconsulate.gov/.

Americans living or traveling in Mexico are encouraged to register with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate through the State Department's travel registration website, https://travelregistration.state.gov, and to obtain updated information on travel and security within Mexico. Americans without Internet access may register directly with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. By registering, American citizens make it easier for the Embassy or Consulate to contact them in case of emergency.

Updated information on travel and security for Mexico may be obtained from the Department of State by calling 1-888-407-4747 within the U.S., or from overseas, 1-202-501-4444. U.S. citizens should consult the Consular Information Sheet for Mexico, the Worldwide Caution Public Announcement, and the travel publication A Safe Trip Abroad, all of which are available on the State Department's Internet site at http://travel.state.gov.


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I´ve read my share of cr@p in this post ("to say you don't have to be really, really heads-up in mexico is crazy")

sorry you feel it's "crap", bro, but i'm going to have to stand by what i know from personal experience. i will, however, hone it with some extra particulars:

the many, many hundreds of days i spent in mexico were all in baja california, between 1976 - 1980.

we were there strictly to climb, and were primarily in very rural areas of northern and central baja, including occasional forays into the coastal areas.

we knew all the tricks of the trade for travelling in foreign countries, particularly south and central america, so please don't assume we were "ugly americans", cutting a wide swath and "flashing lots of cash, etc etc." you write about stereotypes, but you seem to suffer from stereotyping as much as any of us.

you do need to be heads up in mexico. it's a simple fact. you also need to be heads-up in a lot of neighborhoods in boston or new york. it's not about stereotyping -- it's about reading the "vibe" of a situation, regardless of where you are in the world, and acting accordingly.

a final note -- a lot of the ranchers i met in northern baja were some of the coolest people i've ever hung with.

one more note: maybe this thread should get split so that people who want to compare notes on international travel don't have to do it in a thread devoted to wishing paul a speedy and complete recovery.


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"be really, really heads up or you´re crazy" does sound a little bit in the paranoid side to me, here or anywhere. Sure, awareness is a must wherever you go, but there´s no need to exaggerate. I could also look for a note in some mexican news site that warns latin people about the increasing number of racist attacks in southern US states and post it here, but pointing fingers will not take us anywhere.
It´s not like i´m getting paid to draw tourists or anything, but really... there´s a lot to be enjoyed here and it would be a shame to miss it because of some bad incidents that, while unfortunate, are statistically insignificant. I only wish the USA offered tourism the same courtesy other countries do. For instance, the paperwork to get a travel permit there is ridiculous (not finger pointing... truly wishing, because you have very much to share too).
I think that some claims about the insecurity here are quite hypocritical... I don´t think you will quit coming here despite the harsh words... or will ya?


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one more note: maybe this thread should get split so that people who want to compare notes on international travel don't have to do it in a thread devoted to wishing paul a speedy and complete recovery.
Thank you Bob.


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Quick update: It is sounds like Paul is doing better and will probly be flying to Tulsa, OK sometime next week to begin therapy.


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Great news. Hope for a positive and successful recovery.


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You guys are assholes. This topic was posted to encourage recovery to a fellow climber whos life is uncertain at the moment, and all you can do is bitch about whether or not Mexico is safe? No offense to anyone but grow up.

He is in my prayers.


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You guys are assholes. This topic was posted to encourage recovery to a fellow climber whos life is uncertain at the moment, and all you can do is bitch about whether or not Mexico is safe? No offense to anyone but grow up.

He is in my prayers.


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You guys are assholes. This topic was posted to encourage recovery to a fellow climber whos life is uncertain at the moment, and all you can do is bitch about whether or not Mexico is safe? No offense to anyone but grow up.

He is in my prayers.


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Quick update: It is sounds like Paul is doing better and will probly be flying to Tulsa, OK sometime next week to begin therapy.

Wonderful!!


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Quick update: It is sounds like Paul is doing better and will probly be flying to Tulsa, OK sometime next week to begin therapy.

Wonderful!!
Wow, I didn't think this would pop back up. They did come back to the states, spending time in OK, and at the Mayo Clinic in MN, but Paul and Karen are now back in Custer, SD.


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I met Paul and Karen in El Potrero and they were kind enough to teach me a few things about rockclimbing. I was on a motorcycle roadtrip through Canada, the US, and Mexico, which brought me to Guanajuato, on their recommendation (where Paul and Karen were studying spanish). I heard about their tragedy and stopped by the hospital to see Paul in San Luis Potosi on my way back to Potrero. Considering what had happend to him, he looked really good and Karen was in high spirits. Both of them introduced me to rockclimbing in Mexico and I had a wonderful experience there. I never ran into any trouble the entire time I was in Mexico, (and neither the US or Canada for that matter) even though I took the same route that they did, and I was alone on a motorcycle the whole time. This thing that happened could really have happened anywhere. You just have to watch out in any situation where you're unfamiliar. Mexico is an awsome place to climb.

Good luck Paul in your recovery!


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