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Partner gunksgoer


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Whats the status on those photos?


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Which photos are you referring to? I have tons. Photos of people at the lake partaking in the goodies, standing around drying their take, photos of the plane's history, photos of the pilots and their lives prior to the crash, photos of Jack Dorn before he fell, photos of the lake, and on and on.

Which ones are you talking about?


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well, I'm looking forward to reading this book.

BITD I liked the article in Mtn Gazette, wonder if that's avaiible on their site ... only one way to find out.


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Yeah, that article is what launched our idea of a book on the subject


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Hey ricknie, has anything new of interest come your way lately ?


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[quote "happiegrrrl"]First thing - condolences for the friends and family of the two pilots who died in that crash. ....[/quote]

hahah condolences for a pilot smuggling drugs. thats just humorous.


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condolences on your lack of artistic talent. you trying thats humour for me.


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lack of artistic talent? www.gregpphoto.com


Yea, condolences for those who smuggle our drugs. Yup.
Sucks he died, may he rest in peace. But fact is, he was doing federal time for what he was doing if caught. i was only commenting on that.


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Trolling on a thread like this makes for lousy reading.

They didn't die because they were running drugs. They died because the left engine failed. They could have been deliverying photos from a New Jersey photographer for all that mattered.


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ricknie wrote:
They could have been deliverying photos from a New Jersey photographer for all that mattered.

But they weren't, they were delivering drugs. Just pointing it out.

I knew a guy that was higher than a kite and launched himself off a cliff thinking he could fly. The drugs didn't kill him, the fall did. Again, just saying.

Agreed that trolling in this thread is unnecessary.


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ricknie wrote:
Trolling on a thread like this makes for lousy reading.

They didn't die because they were running drugs. They died because the left engine failed. They could have been deliverying photos from a New Jersey photographer for all that mattered.

Ya know i never did think of it that way. But, they wouldnt have been in that specific situation if it werent for the product they were delivering. I was never saying "oh awesome they died" cuz however natural death may be, its not fun for those involved, nor their loved ones. I was just making light of what i found to be humorous. Sorry if that put anyone off. I dont even know why someone would bring artistic value into that.


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Drug use in the mid 70s was not what it is today. Not the level of social tolerance nor the Fed's viewpoint. Kind of like slavery, we all agree it was a terrible situation, but it was considered by many an acceptable way of doing business. I'm not condoning nor chastising drug running back in the mid 70s. But, if you really want to make a judgment call, you need to do your homework on the social situation at the time.

TV shows like Miami Vice didn't come out until the early 80s to glorify the life of the drug runners as well as the DEA agents that fought them.

So I suggest to you that you do your historical homework before you lay judgment.

Remember, this book will be a historical account of the situation at the time.


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OP,
There is an article in the latest Rock and Ice (Bachar on the cover) in which they mention that Bachar managed to make 8 grand off of the weed he recovered...


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ricknie wrote:
Drug use in the mid 70s was not what it is today. Not the level of social tolerance nor the Fed's viewpoint. Kind of like slavery, we all agree it was a terrible situation, but it was considered by many an acceptable way of doing business. I'm not condoning nor chastising drug running back in the mid 70s. But, if you really want to make a judgment call, you need to do your homework on the social situation at the time.

TV shows like Miami Vice didn't come out until the early 80s to glorify the life of the drug runners as well as the DEA agents that fought them.

So I suggest to you that you do your historical homework before you lay judgment.

Remember, this book will be a historical account of the situation at the time.

Not to get to far off track but........

I whole heartedly disagree with your assumption. Drugs are far more prevalent today, and in a wider format. You also have a higher level of tolerance today with a much broader range and percentage of people doing drugs. Drug dealing back in the 70's was much more underground as compared to todays standards. Just using the stuff back then warranted a high probability of prosecution. BITD the fear of the 'man' was ever present, today the average user isn't even targeted by the 'man', nor is the average small time dealer.


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seeing as were already off topic,

I agree with you on the fact that the use of drugs has broadened but I think the quality of some of those drugs has declined. It makes sense, theres only so much good stuff and with so many people doing them, it must go fast and be hard to find. Talking to my dad, he says the best weed he ever smoked was back on the 60's and 70's, and in Vietnam.

just my two dinmebags


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ricknie.... Dude 3 years? When is the book coming out?Wink

And enough debating drug use and sales. Who f'n cares in relation to what a bunch of social outcasts did 30 years ago. Were this a current topic the debate might hold some water, but it was thirty years ago!!

Tell a story, ask a question, or STFU! This is history & trivia... not soapbox.


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boymeetsrock wrote:
Who f'n cares in relation to what a bunch of social outcasts did 30 years ago.

Guess you don't read to well, thats what the whole thread is about.

Quit being an ass, it helped how?

She put her current opinion out there and I gave it a current response.


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I'd just like to see the book published, since I'm interested in climbing history. Just like I'm really enjoying reading Pete Takeda's book, An Eye At The Top Of The World. Its about Indian and American climbers placing a atomic powered listening device on top of Nanda Devi in the 1960's.


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Since the book will be a historical accounting of what occurred, I doubt if anyone would want an inaccurate portrayal of the event. Getting valid data to support someone's statement isn't always easy.

To be honest, I thought I'd have this written and published by Christmas of 2005. I had no idea how far this story went, who it touched, and the long term effects on everything from the climbing community to the movie industry. Many people owe their current success due in part to their exposure to this event. And not all are climbers.


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Well keep up the good work ricknie. I'm sure we all will apreciate your attention to detail and fact vrs fiction. It sounds like this will be a very enjoyable glimps at a small part of our climbing history.

Do you feel like your any closer to the finish, or does each turn continue to lengthen the distance?

Moose, I did read the whole thread, and my stfu was not directed at any one person. Opinions are like... well. I'm interested in the signal not the noise.Tongue

Ricknie is going to write about this topic, whether people think the subject is taboo or not. It sounds like it will be an account of apparently pertinent history, not a glroification of a bunch of hippie pot heads. While these heads may have had an influence on the climbing community, I am sure they had no influence on the drug trade (even in their own microcosm of yosemity, besides perhaps, temporarily lower prices). But I digress.....


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ricknie wrote:
Many people owe their current success due in part to their exposure to this event. And not all are climbers.

Heh .. True


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Not to promote other sites, but you might want to cruise this thread:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=73572#msg81828

Pay close attention to the comments posted by one "Chainsaw" and read the responses. Makes for interesting parallel thinking


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boymeetsrock wrote:
Opinions are like... well.

You mean, unless its your own, because thats all this is.
boymeetsrock wrote:
Ricknie is going to write about this topic, whether people think the subject is taboo or not. It sounds like it will be an account of apparently pertinent history, not a glroification of a bunch of hippie pot heads. While these heads may have had an influence on the climbing community, I am sure they had no influence on the drug trade (even in their own microcosm of yosemity, besides perhaps, temporarily lower prices). But I digress...

So if you got more to say, take your own advice.
boymeetsrock wrote:
Tell a story, ask a question, or STFU! This is history & trivia... not soapbox.


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No, I'm done now. Thanks.


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gregpphoto wrote:
[quote "happiegrrrl"]First thing - condolences for the friends and family of the two pilots who died in that crash. ....[/quote]

hahah condolences for a pilot smuggling drugs. thats just humorous.

Emphasis mine. Wink

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