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What do you guys take as supplements to improve your climbing apart from Creatine?
What is the stance of national climbing coaches on the use of performance enhancing substances?
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Good man, that enhances your performance in the realm of telling tall stories after climbing eh?
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Nov 23, 2005, 7:49 PM
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That's just naughty.
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I hope that's a block of Lard - but with a sign-in like 'veganboyjosh' perhaps it isn't.....
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In reply to: I hope that's a block of Lard - but with a sign-in like 'veganboyjosh' perhaps it isn't.....
yes, it's lard. vegan lard.
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I resort to the crisp sandwich sometimes. Discos are my crisp of choice.
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Vegan lard helped me so much my first months of climbing. I quickly reached my weight goal and had a continuous supply of energy. Aside from the occasional nose bleed things went great and I am still going strong. If you need help on overcoming issues with your own nose bleed pm my and I can offer some great advice.
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In reply to: Vegan lard helped me so much my first months of climbing. I quickly reached my weight goal and had a continuous supply of energy. Aside from the occasional nose bleed things went great and I am still going strong. If you need help on overcoming issues with your own nose bleed pm my and I can offer some great advice.
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The paper cuts from the rolled up dollar bills do more damage than my fingers
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i dont take anything.
for many of us climbing is about personal achievement and learning your limits, challenging yourself and figuring out how you can reach a goal - problem solving - ultimately to find the eventual success a very rewarding thing
call me a purist but taking external substances seems really lame - as if cheating :roll:
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In reply to: What do you guys take as supplements to improve your climbing apart from Creatine?
Stating the obvious here, but there is no supplement that can improve your climbing.
Other than beer that is, but beer isn't a supplement, its the 5th food group.
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I'm with Cliffhanger. The idea of me taking any performance enhancing substance seems like I would be cheating myself, but too each his own.
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knightstreet
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In reply to: Stating the obvious here, but there is no supplement that can improve your climbing
Pretty damn pedantic aren't we?
Did you really misunderstand the question based on that error in grammar? :?
So what's your poison fluxus? How did you get so good? Vegan Lard?
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black rhino horn ground up elephant tusk.
happy thanksgiving
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Nov 23, 2005, 10:19 PM
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In reply to: black rhino horn ground up elephant tusk. happy thanksgiving
Most people have turkey for thanksgiving.
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In reply to: What do you guys take as supplements to improve your climbing apart from Creatine? What is the stance of national climbing coaches on the use of performance enhancing substances?
Creatine isn't magic and it only helps power moves. I question it's safety as it stresses the kidneys.
So if you're a boulderer doing dynos creatine can possibly help, perhaps in sport climbing as well. i doubt it has many advantages in trad, ice, alpine and mountaineering. technique, ability and knowledge should get you a lot farther in those realms.
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Um, you have it backwards. Creatine is used by some of the most cutting-edge alpinists. Cigarettes and RedBull will get you pretty far in sport-climbing and bouldering.
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Nov 23, 2005, 10:38 PM
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In reply to: Creatine isn't magic....
Yeah, true. It doesn't stop people taking these supplements though.
I just wanted to sort of draw up a profile of the type of supplements that climbers use and what they use them for. I've failed since no one has actually admitted to using them at all yet...
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There are lots of supplements to take that can help you be stronger or increase endurance but it seems most of the time climbing is more about technique than brute force. If you want a lot of good info on supplements. Nutritionalsupplements.com has tons of good info. I am also a member on their forum. The best supplements for climbing in my opinion are
#1 Beer
#2 Fast acting whey protien powder after climbing to help repair damaged muscle and
#3 ground up mummy powder, I haven't used Incan mummy powder but I can say for a fact that Egyptian mummy powder really pumps you up. If you can get incan mummy powder or even a whole mummy and grind it yourself I would like to try it. And if it is good I will pay top dollar.
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Oh and about creatine. I would not use creatine during climbing season. Creatine is good for quick bursts of strength when the muscles are already tired. Like finishing strong at the end of a race or lifting heavy things. The reason I would not use it during climbing is because It makes your body retain up to 10 pounds of water which is a lot of weight to carry up a wall or mountain.
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anyone know a good (online or not)source for vegan mummy powder?
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In reply to: It makes your body retain up to 10 pounds of water which is a lot of weight to carry up a wall or mountain.
Does it give you bitch tits?
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Beer and ham sammiches.
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In reply to: In reply to: Stating the obvious here, but there is no supplement that can improve your climbing Pretty damn pedantic aren't we? Did you really misunderstand the question based on that error in grammar? :? So what's your poison fluxus? How did you get so good? Vegan Lard?
O.K. you got me, Here's the secret to my success:
One time, many years ago, I was climbing in the Valley, Fred Becky was also there at the time. Sooo one day at dinner I had a friend destract him. While Fred wasn't looking I did a quick biopsy of his liver. I put the cells in a culture created from Sam Adams Oatmeal stout. When I got enough cells I harvested most of them (but not all) dried them and ground them into a powder which I then re-hydrated using a solution of 60% bovine growth hormone, 10% Howler Monkey umbilical cord blood, 10% werewolfe semen(collected by hand), and 20% diet coke.
I have kept my culture of Becky liver cells alive for many years and I inject the above mixture directly into my Aorta every 3 hours.
So far so good with no side effects, my current red point level is 5.3 and my sport climbing flash level is 5.0. I only have minor strokes every now and then, and the blood in my urine looks kinda cool, so I'm sure the stuff is working!!
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Word. I've always been a fan of keeping it real. Using something that makes me climb better would just be fake to me, and if there's anything I am and want to be, it's not fake.
You use chalk and friction rubber, don't you? In several climbing areas chalk is, well, not keeping it real! As with bolted routes, hardware etc. There are several traditions in climbing, and the sport moves forward. Whats real for you is not necessarily real for the next person.
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Bananas never let me down.
loads of potasium to help muscle recovery.
Lots of simple sugar. easy to digest.
Choice food of most tree-climbing primates.
Rock-climbing primates are closely related, so naturally it works!
Bananas have always worked much better for me then power bars and gel, sports drinks etc... and are much cheaper.
I also have been known to load up on Yerba Mate to help a climibng session.
Also very cheap and effective.
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In reply to: call me a purist but taking external substances seems really lame - as if cheating :roll:
Like food?
There's creatine in meat, and amino acids in heaps of things such as eggs...
... what about coffee or tea? Or even drinks with sugar?
where's the line?
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I use dried Chinese tiger penis for extra power.
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Well fluxus, you follow a scheme similar to mine.
Whilst in the peak I was scurrying about in the secret garden when I happened to chance upon Ronald Fawcett. He was throwing laps on the classic slopey traverse like a man possessed. Half way across one traverse he sneezed, dislodging one of his moustache hairs which landed gracefully onto a sloper. Me and my mate bagged the aforementioned hair and extracted the DNA present in order to grow a flock of mutated, miniature ronalds the approximate size and appearance of a band of muscle. Several muscle implant operations later and I too can throw laps on just about anything.
Thanks Ron. You're a diamond geezer.
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Hit up a Multi-V, then some McD's followed by some Hit the Border, wash down with a Bud easy (or if your a fat_bastard, whiskey and coke)
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In reply to: In reply to: call me a purist but taking external substances seems really lame - as if cheating :roll: Like food? There's creatine in meat, and amino acids in heaps of things such as eggs... ... what about coffee or tea? Or even drinks with sugar? where's the line? :D Adam
Thats a good question - but like mentioned above, to each his own - i m not going to lecture you that you should eat (or live) the way I do.
as for the quote above, perhaps external substances should be "additional supplements" to properly convey my intent.
Obviously some people draw the line deeper than others (i.e. vegetarians or vegans) but it seems that they almost all have to take some sort of supplement to keep them properly nourished since (depending on how extreme they are) such a diet lacks things that your body needs.
I eat meat but I dont eat it because it has creatine in it - I'm also not going to say I wont eat it because it has a substance in it that people happen to take alone as a supplement. That doesnt make sense. Most if not all supplements are in regular food. If its already in foods that you normally eat and you are eating healthily then theres nothing to worry about. It would seem the reason that you would need supplement with anything is if you arent eating properly.
For what its worth, I personally dont drink coffee, tea or soda or many other high sugar/caffine drinks. I dont take vitamins or medicines either
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In reply to: Well fluxus, you follow a scheme similar to mine. . . . Me and my mate bagged the aforementioned hair and extracted the DNA present in order to grow a flock of mutated, miniature ronalds the approximate size and appearance of a band of muscle. Several muscle implant operations later and I too can throw laps on just about anything.
Duuuuuuude,
If you ever want to do a trade, let me know, I'd be glad to part with a dose of Becky liver cell coctail if I could score some uncut Fawcett DNA!
I've heard rumors of such things for years, but never dreamed it could be true. Imagine how powerful it would be combined with dried chineese tiger penis!
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in the winter: hot tea...hydration, warmth, and tasty all in one.
foodwise: bananas, cliff bars, honey, almonds...basic food.
after: pizza, anything with guacamole, beer.
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Sugar free? Is that a troll or do you just want to be teased?
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In reply to: I eat meat but I dont eat it because it has creatine in it
Hi mate,
I would say that you do eat it because it contains creatine... you also eat it because it contains protein and fats and iron and many other nutrients vital to the proper functioning of your body.
Even though you may not consciously eat it for the creatine your instincts to eat meat are based upon generation upon generations of adaptations that the human body has made based upon what is available and what it has become dependent upon in order to function.
It stands to reason that as we develop as a race that the source of our nutrients will change. We are now more able to feed ourselves in order to
ensure improved health and function. The source may have changed, but the need is still there.
Changes to the source of nutrients have been happening since we first climbed down out of the trees. We grew big brains partly because of our ability to change our food sources. I contend that the only difference now is that we have the ability to manufacture our food in order to better shape it to suit our needs.
:) Cheers
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In reply to: Sugar free? Is that a troll or do you just want to be teased?
Tease all you like, but post your tick list first. ;)
Jay
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In reply to: Tease all you like, but post your tick list first. ;) Jay
Touche, and I so bet I've climbed more 5.9s in the past month than you :wink:
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In reply to: in the winter: hot tea...hydration, warmth, and tasty all in one.
Aren't many teas diuretics?
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In reply to: In reply to: in the winter: hot tea...hydration, warmth, and tasty all in one. Aren't many teas diuretics?
As I understand it (which is not completely), no, they're not. Caffeine will make you pee more often, but it is not a diuretic. A diuretic increases the total volume of urine by affecting kidney function. Caffeine doesn't, it is a smooth muscle relaxer. In other words, it makes you pee more frequently, but it doesn't increase the total volume of urine more than drinking water would.
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In reply to: In other words, it makes you pee more frequently, but it doesn't increase the total volume of urine more than drinking water would.
:?: So if I drink a fixed volume of tea as opposed to the same volume of water, I piss more frequently but the amount I piss each time is less. Is this true? From my own experience (completely non-scientific might I add) a few cups of tea normally results in the consumer of said beverage pissing in racehorse like quantities.
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In reply to: In reply to: In other words, it makes you pee more frequently, but it doesn't increase the total volume of urine more than drinking water would. :?: So if I drink a fixed volume of tea as opposed to the same volume of water, I piss more frequently but the amount I piss each time is less. Is this true? From my own experience (completely non-scientific might I add) a few cups of tea normally results in the consumer of said beverage pissing in racehorse like quantities.
i've had similar anecdotal experience...
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In other words, it makes you pee more frequently, but it doesn't increase the total volume of urine more than drinking water would. :?: So if I drink a fixed volume of tea as opposed to the same volume of water, I piss more frequently but the amount I piss each time is less. Is this true? From my own experience (completely non-scientific might I add) a few cups of tea normally results in the consumer of said beverage pissing in racehorse like quantities. i've had similar anecdotal experience...
You guys may be right. I just looked up caffeine in a sports nutrition textbook, which said that side effects include "diuresis, which may lead to dehydration," so I stand corrected.
Jay
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hey jt512,
any references on caffeine not being a diuretic, i always thought caffeine would act dehydrating? interesting if that's not true.
regarding supplements that improve climbing, glucoseamine/msm/chondroitin is pretty much essential to keep my arthritic fingers from hurting and swelling up. helps both to reduce swelling and in regeneration of cartilage/tendons.
even if i didn't have arthritis i would take glucoseamine if my fingers were showing signs of injury to maybe/hopefully shorten healing time.
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In reply to: hey jt512, any references on caffeine not being a diuretic, i always thought caffeine would act dehydrating? interesting if that's not true.
Well, it's probably not true. See my last post.
In reply to: regarding supplements that improve climbing, glucoseamine/msm/chondroitin is pretty much essential to keep my arthritic fingers from hurting and swelling up. helps both to reduce swelling and in regeneration of cartilage/tendons. even if i didn't have arthritis i would take glucoseamine if my fingers were showing signs of injury to maybe/hopefully shorten healing time.
This has been discussed repeatedly, but, once again, I'd be pleasantly surprised if you could provide citations to any scientific studies showing an effect of glucsamine supplements on tendon health.
Jay
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Hard to find any data on the effects of glucosamine on tendon health.
Would be interesting if someone would actually do this kind of study.
Until then, well there's always the placebo effect :?
At least there's no serious risk of side effects unless you are diabetic or allergic to shell fish.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: in the winter: hot tea...hydration, warmth, and tasty all in one. Aren't many teas diuretics? As I understand it (which is not completely), no, they're not. Caffeine will make you pee more often, but it is not a diuretic. A diuretic increases the total volume of urine by affecting kidney function. Caffeine doesn't, it is a smooth muscle relaxer. In other words, it makes you pee more frequently, but it doesn't increase the total volume of urine more than drinking water would. Jay
thats why i drink herbal caffeine free teas...like chamomile
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Caffeine is not the only diuretic used in teas. Though, I don't know what else is. I found googling for diuretic teas came up with many many links.
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I never take a trip without my hookah pipe modded from a 1L nalgene bottle. A thermos of sweet mint tea and thimble cups, chess set and fresh turkish delight - all stashed in a small daypack helps make the experience a more pleasant one. Agreeable travelling companions are a plus. Optional pink floyd/the orb/shpongle on one's iPod. 8^)
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