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peanutbutterandjelly
Oct 27, 2002, 2:29 AM
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I feel like posting the weather again. It has not changed very much other then getting colder
Friday: Partly Cloudy 44/32 10% rain
Saterday: Partly Cloudy 49/36 0% rain
Sunday: Partley Cloudy 54/35 0% rain
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climbinganne
Oct 27, 2002, 2:53 AM
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doing a great job there todd
*hint...satUrday
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peanutbutterandjelly
Oct 27, 2002, 3:14 AM
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Spelling means nothing when it comes to climbing. Spelling only means something when you get 5% of a fill in the blank test because of your spelling and handwriting. It also means something when a girl asks you for your number then cant read it so you could not hang out Thursday. Other then that spelling is over rated and you need to read the disclaimer in my profile.
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climbinganne
Oct 27, 2002, 3:35 AM
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what the hell did you edit twice for then??
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betaben
Oct 27, 2002, 3:38 AM
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At least he can spell peanutbutterandjelly!!
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peanutbutterandjelly
Oct 27, 2002, 1:49 PM
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The first time I edited because I forgot to put the weather up at all, just the top part. The second time I edited because i had no weather for sunday up.
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mitchal
Oct 27, 2002, 2:50 PM
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Hay Todd,
Eye wood jist tehl Anne that she am't know teecher and ewe spehl jist find.
That'l sho hir!
Mitch
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kagunkie
Oct 27, 2002, 3:24 PM
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When is this event happening now? I havent been paying much attention lately. This thread is sooo looong I dont really have time to read the whole thing though Id like to. Maby I can come along if I have the time when its going on.
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chakan
Oct 27, 2002, 4:51 PM
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ugh kagunkie read the title of the thread
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climbinganne
Oct 27, 2002, 5:48 PM
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ahhhhh, mitch...darling that is what i went to PSU for..and i taught lousy kids for 7 years before i gave it up for alcohol sales... sorry!!!!
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kayaker
Oct 28, 2002, 12:48 AM
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Why would you fine people pick Birdsboro (in November) to have your gathering? From what I've read, you're planning to set siege on this, to this point, discreet climbing area with a battalion of novice climbers. Why B'boro? There are maybe 25 routes here, and most are 5.10 and up. Why not go to the Red, the New or the Gunks? Access issues are not as sensitive, lodging,dining and partying are more accessible and there are tons of routes of all grades. The organizers of this event, if familiar with the brief history of the area, are acting irresponsibly. This event may be the kick-ass party of the year for you but the repercussions will be felt by those of us who follow the established ethic. Before you start attacking my character because I disagree with what you're doing, you should know that I was involved in the initial meetings with the borough. This is exactly what they were afraid of and this is why we came up with the waivers, to keep tab of how many climbers are using this area, which is on the site of the borough water supply. So, have fun, be selfish but be safe.
One final comment; the rock at Birdsboro is not granite, it's a granitic diabase.
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betaben
Oct 28, 2002, 1:11 AM
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Mitch, that was great. I wish i could spell that well.
Ahhh, looking forward to a 4 day work week, then heading to the gathering!!
Think i might head to the store and get some of those nifty handwarmers though.
Patiently waiting till Friday
Ben
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number7
Oct 28, 2002, 1:37 AM
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Uh oh kids! Has anyone told the locals we'll be showing up yet? I could see this thing turning into a big revenue scam for Birdsboro
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mitchal
Oct 28, 2002, 1:41 AM
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Hi All,
Denny,for the record:
I have two members of the original group involved in this(albeit,against),as well as,the"PAC"," Access Fund",and,Town hall in Birdsboro.
The people coming to this event neither are coming to a "KICK ASS PARTY" or a seige of the quarry.We are just a bunch of ethical,safety minded,climbers,coming together in the hopes of meeting and climbing with other members of this site.
I have been to town hall on two occasions and am going there yet againg to outline and gain "WRITTEN" permission.
The VERY LAST thing I want to do is to harm relations between climbers there and town hall,hence all the work and communication going on.Access to the quarry is in my best PERSONAL interest,as it is my "home" crag.
If you have such concern over what goes on there,tell me one thing,
Why have I,in the years I've climbed there,never found a contact name,or number,to raise questions on something like this?The very lack of this info is the root of all the dissention going on over the gathering.
I have asked Ted and Jeff about this,what is your answer?
Oh, your character will not be questioned,or berated,I'm sure you are above reproach,and that your concerns are well intentioned.Everyone applauds that.
I personally invite you there and hope you came and climb and see what we are all about.
I will also keep you informed on a new "committee" being formed and ask your help in the matter.
Hope to see you there.
Climb Happy
Mitch
P.S. I will correct the rock type,thanks for the beta.
Editted to reflect possitions against gathering, by former committee members.
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rwaltermyer
Oct 28, 2002, 3:11 AM
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i'm not an expert geologist, but Gov. Dick and Governor Stables, (and St. Peters, and Haycock, and lots of Rock at French Creek) are Diabase, and that rock doesn't resemble Birdsboro at all.
But I believe that could be triassic diabase versus granitic diabase, i guess that makes all the difference?!
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pusherem
Oct 28, 2002, 2:38 PM
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...its comin up......
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spiderlover
Oct 28, 2002, 2:44 PM
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Hi, I'm Bobbie
I am one of the members of the first mission to "The Bird". Many a battle had to be fought, both physically and legally, to establish this as a legit climbing site. This is a sensitive area and the #1 rule has always been discretion. Being discreet assures us of access. We all know what happened at Safe Harbor due to commercialization of the area. It is a fact that the more popular a place becomes, the more shutdowns occur. We have few such legal places to play these days, we want all to enjoy in a quiet manner. We have already lost the "Sunny Side" to the renewal of quarrying. Lets take care of what we have left. As for toproping off of anything other than set anchors, you're at your own risk! As for dissin' my friends, ClimbingAnne, get to know them before you accuse them of being selfish and greedy.
With respect, B
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clymberboy
Oct 28, 2002, 2:53 PM
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i have always felt assured that the organizers had planned our gathering responsibly. but nevertheless, some concerns have been raised.
i still plan to attend, but i would just like to hear one final verdict . . . are relations between the climbing community & authorities amicable and do both parties have a complete understanding of the gathering. is the crag large enough for the number of climbers planning to go?
i'm looking forward to the gathering, but don't want my actions to have any ill effects. perhaps obtaining a final head count of those still intending to attend will help. the number of ppl that expressed an interest in the early planning stages has since dwindled.
patrick
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pattyo
Oct 28, 2002, 10:34 PM
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Well, I gotta throw in my two cents about access. After climbing at birdsboro a number of years, I know the area’s history and realize how sensitive access to this area is. I appreciate mitchal’s efforts in contacting town hall. His past post is worth repeating:
… in regards to the rules and regulations pertaining to the use of the "old quarry". The lower section is the town water supply ,and as such is OFF LIMITS,anyone caught in there will be arrested, fined, and, all gear will be confiscated, and NOT returned. The upper section is the area used for climbing, allowed as a courtesy by the township (not a town park). There is no prohibition on organized gatherings(within reason) and beta on the area MAY be published, posted, passed among climbers and non-climbers. I was informed that rowdy ,raucous, and otherwise unsavory, or dangerous behavior will not be tolerated....
Please note that the area is *not* a park, climbing is allowed as a *courtesy*, and gatherings should be *“within reason”*. So come only if you must, and watch out for each other.
A final word- newbies will not find the bird a good place to climb. Of the 25 or so bolted routes, there is only one 5.6 and 5.7, and these are very short slab routes. Other than two 5.8’s, most everything else is .10 and above. The climbing is hard because of the nature of the quarried rock, so setting top ropes between the bolts won’t make it much easier. Don’t make a long drive to wait for two short climbs.
BTW, I also found some of climbingannes responses to be very rude. I think an apology is in order. Climb safe, -Pat Bost
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Oct 28, 2002, 11:27 PM
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The weather is looking better, well better is you like cold and rain.
Friday: Partly Cloudy 46/27 rain 20%
Saturday: Showers 42/28 rain 30%
Sunday: Rain/Snow Showers/Wind 43/31 rain 30%
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chakan
Oct 28, 2002, 11:30 PM
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ooohh sucky!!
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iridesantacruz
Oct 29, 2002, 1:57 AM
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this gathering looks like its starting to go down but anyway.... anne, are you going to mark the streets and the trail for the gathering, or just the trails?
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climbinganne
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Somethings have come to my attention tonight that i was unaware of. I was given half information on what was going on between the township, access fund and the locals feelings'. i think i may have most of the information tonite. However i feel responsible for this, being one of the organizers and not knowing all of the information, and i apologize to everyone. Mitch did not get the permission slip to be able to hold the gathering and this slip, though probably not needed, would ensure peace between the locals and the access fund. I do not feel comfotable attending what is now being called a "non rc.com event". I am sorry and i am not saying anyone else should not attend, what i have been told by my co-organizers is this is NOT an rc.com event. Please leave this site out of the equation...damn, i hate that fact that this happened four days before this event was supposed to take place...had i had the right information prior to this, other plans could have been arranged...again my sincerest apologies.
well folks, i just got off the phone with oozingpustule and he has graciously invited all of us to his place, "Nelson Rocks Preserve" in West Viginia...there we don't need to dance with the access fund nor do we need to share "our rock" with the locals.
if you need directions and or any info...you know where to reach me...
***when life gives you lemons...MAKE LEMONADE!!
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chakan
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well its looks like i`m in the same boat here... seems a lot of us weren`t given all the information. I too apologise for his all.. this was shaping up to be a great Gathering. I will not be attending either, whoever is going please and I re-iterate what anne said please DON`T use the sites name.
Anyway sorry this had to come about..
Have Fun in West virginia!!!
climb Hard
Peace
Gregg
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mitchal
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Thank You Anne
You are as gracious as I had hoped.
This is why I luv ya!
Mitch
Details will be forthcoming
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UPDATE: PA Gathering @ Birdsboro
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