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phaedrus
Feb 23, 2006, 9:17 PM
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February 15, 2006 — Climbing Magazine is proud to announce the return of Jonathan Thesenga as Editor In Chief. After a three-year hiatus, Thesenga returns to the helm of Climbing, injecting the magazine with the same high dose of unbridled enthusiasm and unrefined humor he has been delivering since first writing for Climbing seven years ago.
Thesenga, an accomplished all-around climber for nearly 20 years, is driven to uphold Climbing's role as the most inclusive, widely distributed vertical publication in the world, while also moving the magazine in a more progressive direction in terms of content and design.
Matt Samet, a former Associate Editor at Climbing Magazine, has also returned to the fold, assuming the role of Senior Editor. One of the industry's most talented writers, editors, and climbers, Samet is another impressive addition to the staff of Climbing.
Source: http://www.outdoorindustry.org/...=1722&sort_year=2006
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crazyscuba
Feb 23, 2006, 9:30 PM
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should be fun to see how this changes climbing magazine.
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caughtinside
Feb 23, 2006, 9:45 PM
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In reply to: should be fun to see how this changes climbing magazine. steve
Yeah, I wonder what routes he will chop first? :P
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roy_hinkley_jr
Feb 23, 2006, 10:14 PM
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Probably had a big bonfire in the parking lot to celebrate!
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josephgdawson
Feb 23, 2006, 11:14 PM
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Hopefully they will make that magazine worth reading.
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slobmonster
Feb 23, 2006, 11:32 PM
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In what manner is the staffing chicanery at _Climbing_ "World CLimbing News?"
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In reply to: In what manner is the staffing chicanery at _Climbing_ "World CLimbing News?"
Didn't you know? The US is located at the center of the universe!!!
Seriously though, I was thinking the same thing :lol: :lol:
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maldaly
Feb 23, 2006, 11:42 PM
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Can't wait to see the mag evolve. Jonathan and Matt are two of the best spirits and greatest writers the climbing world has. Thank God that both of them have had their moments of indescretion (There, but for the grace of God, go I) and bold action. It's like there're real climbers at the magazine again. Welcome back JT and hang on Matt.
Mal
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dingus
Feb 23, 2006, 11:54 PM
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Having publicly mouthed off about Thesenga and regretted it...
I WISH THESENGA AND SAMET SUCCESS WITH THEIR NEW JOBS!
Good luck fellas. The magazine world definitely needs... something new.
DMT
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avitripp
Feb 23, 2006, 11:57 PM
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it needs to be the Alpinist...
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nowinowski
Feb 24, 2006, 3:46 PM
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matt samet writes like a teenage rimjob princess. I guess climbing waz like so stiggity stoked with the shizz he spouted that ruined R+I they had to have him. Do yourself a favor and buy a big stack of old mags.
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Feb 24, 2006, 4:07 PM
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In reply to: matt samet writes like a teenage rimjob princess. I guess climbing waz like so stiggity stoked with the shizz he spouted that ruined R+I they had to have him. Do yourself a favor and buy a big stack of old mags.
yah, b/c matt has a strong voice, not a weak passive voice, you knock him...that's cool. also, since when were teenage rimjob princesses well versed in Ambrose Bierce and Sarte. btw, his Tales of Sickness from October 2005, is one of the best essays on grief and the human condition i've ever read.
good luck matt, all the best and hope to see ya this summer in co.
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tim
Feb 24, 2006, 4:20 PM
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What happened to Achey? For a while he was doing pretty well, IMO.
ah well. Sounds like Thesenga and Samet were chafing pretty badly under the management at R&I
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dingus
Feb 24, 2006, 4:28 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: matt samet writes like a teenage rimjob princess. I guess climbing waz like so stiggity stoked with the shizz he spouted that ruined R+I they had to have him. Do yourself a favor and buy a big stack of old mags. yah, b/c matt has a strong voice, not a weak passive voice, you knock him...that's cool. also, since when were teenage rimjob princesses well versed in Ambrose Bierce and Sarte. btw, his Tales of Sickness from October 2005, is one of the best essays on grief and the human condition i've ever read. good luck matt, all the best and hope to see ya this summer in co.
I'd like to know whats wrong with a few teenage rimjob princesses anyway???
DMT
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fracture
Feb 24, 2006, 5:30 PM
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In reply to: Good luck fellas. The magazine world definitely needs... something new.
Or maybe they should just give up, due to being out-moded. ;)
I can get the sport v. trad and bolt-war flaming, the entertaining writing (thanks DMT, and others), the news about the latest mutant feats (8a.nu), the rad climbing photographs, and plenty of interesting technical discussion (for example) here on the internet for free. And it is interactive and happening right now. Whenever I take a look at the mags they seem to be simply regurgitating whatever I read on the internet a month or two earlier.
Plus, the quality of discourse (assuming you can intelligently filter through bullshit) crushes the mags. Compare the recent R&I belay technique threads (both here and on rec.climbing) to the R&I article itself---no contest, for me. Especially since I actually have to pay for the privilege of reading the latter piece of tripe.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if the climbing magazines didn't suck. I just doubt that it is possible with the modern competition that essentially gives us the same product free of charge.
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dingus
Feb 24, 2006, 5:41 PM
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Fracture, true story, happened a week ago...
I was down in Modesto with some time to kill so I went to tour Angus's new house. Nice place. We went out into the garage and lo! There on the Group W bench was a brand spankin new climbing magazine. I honestly can't tell you which one, but it was a climbing magazine!
So I picked it up, said something snide like, 'keeping up with the Jones's eh?"
Angus quickly splained 'my wife bought that for me.' I thumbed through it without really seeing a thing and dropped it back on the bench. It was time to go...
"Gotta be gettin on the road buddy." Says I. Angus is all,
"Hey, take that magazine with you." I turned and looked at it there on the Group W bench, paused and said,
"No thanks."
We're old of course. And I get my climbing news on the internet anyway. But its another way to make your point. Times have changed.
DMT
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cintune
Feb 24, 2006, 6:37 PM
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In reply to: Probably had a big bonfire in the parking lot to celebrate!
:lol: :lol: Good one. Has anyone ever gone back to see if that rock was permanently damaged in any way? I mean, I'm all for the rule of law and realize that we wouldn't want to turn JT into a scorched, barren wasteland... anymore than it already is. But after all guys will be guys.
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maldaly
Feb 24, 2006, 6:41 PM
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cintune wrote,
"...we wouldn't want to turn JT into a scorched, barren wasteland... ".
Now I don't know if you know but Thesenga goes by the nickname, "JT", so that comment is loaded.
Mal
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cintune
Feb 24, 2006, 6:47 PM
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In reply to: Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if the climbing magazines didn't suck. I just doubt that it is possible with the modern competition that essentially gives us the same product free of charge.
The one thing they have is great pictures. Getting to read for free is one thing, and this place is consistenly a million ways more interesting than any magazine out there, but no one here's getting paid and they can say whatever they want. Photos, on the other hand, are worth decent money and don't have to be edited, just cropped. A magazine that was all top climbing pics all the time would be awesome. Anyone want to go in on that? We just need a big pile of startup money to attract the best pics. I know how to crop pictures. :lol:
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roy_hinkley_jr
Feb 24, 2006, 6:49 PM
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But, but, but you don't get the great advertising on the internet! (at least I don't, they're all blocked) So how are you going to know about the latest, greatest, must-have widget that some sport weenie endorses?? The mags are important for something.
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maldaly
Feb 24, 2006, 6:54 PM
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And never forget how good magazines are for the bathroom. There's just something weird about logging on when you're trying to get a log out...
Mal
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dingus
Feb 24, 2006, 7:04 PM
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In reply to: The one thing they have is great pictures.
I know this is blasphemy to many, but I don't like all those professional shots. Most of them are fake in one way or another and rather than inspire, instead they leave me feeling unworthy.
They are to an old climber what penthouse photos are to a married man... 'you ain't got it, you never had it and you never will.'
I prefer amateur snap shots to the glossy pro shots, even on this site. The more polished the less real imo. The glossier they get the less likely I am to buy.
DMT
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cintune
Feb 24, 2006, 7:18 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: The one thing they have is great pictures. I know this is blasphemy to many, but I don't like all those professional shots. Most of them are fake in one way or another and rather than inspire, instead they leave me feeling unworthy. They are to an old climber what penthouse photos are to a married man... 'you ain't got it, you never had it and you never will.' I prefer amateur snap shots to the glossy pro shots, even on this site. The more polished the less real imo. The glossier they get the less likely I am to buy. DMT
I didn't mean like inspirational-poster pics, more like really impressive shots, including amateur snapshots. Not necessarily glitzy, but something climbers would see more into than average-Joe magazine customer. A dedicated climbing magazine, just without too many words.
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Feb 24, 2006, 7:49 PM
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In reply to: matt samet writes like a teenage rimjob princess.
So let's see your skills at creating prose, tough guy.
"Put up or shut up" comes to mind.
Best wishes to JT and Matt. I look forward to seeing what they accomplish.
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Jeff Achey RIP.
Dingus has got the right idea on the photos. I get tired of asking whether the route in photo was actually sent, if it was revisted for photos (a la many El Cap pics); etc. Popular climbing photography is a slippery slope.
Perhaps it is cliche to rip on the mags, but was this so 15 years ago? Something has changed, I guess it was us....
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phaedrus
Feb 24, 2006, 8:00 PM
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In reply to: And never forget how good magazines for the bathroom. There's just something weird about logging on when you're trying to get a log out... Mal
:lol: :lol: Makes me think of the guy sitting in the john and talking on his cell phone when I was in Target earlier this week....
I was pretty surprised to see Thesenga being re-hired; apparently he at least didn't burn any bridges, just rock... let's see how he does with his 2nd chance at this.
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Feb 25, 2006, 1:43 AM
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That ol' dog keeps chasin' its tail and wonders why it don't go anywhere.
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Feb 25, 2006, 2:12 AM
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In reply to: I'd like to know whats wrong with a few teenage rimjob princesses anyway??? DMT
SIR! Please stop stealing my lines.
It's too painful.
To JT and MS, welcome back. Please pay attention to my needs and you will receive no ill will from me. R & I has had some great stuff lately - but I'll add, the last gear issue had them Pussing out, like you climbing mag Pussies back in the day, by not being judgmental.
GODDAMMIT! WOULD YOU MAKE A FRIGGAN JUDGMENT CALL ONCE IN A WHILE AND SAY THAT SOMETHING IS WORSE THAN SOMETHING ELSE FOR CHRISTSAKES.
I appreciated that while you were gone, Climbing rated gear A+ or C-.
Don't show up unless yo can make the hard call and do that, despite pissing off your advertisers. We lowly users want to know you are on our wavelength and support us.
So, #1 issue, how about a gear article on Aliens. Get the real story. Interview old disgruntled workers. Show us the new testing machines.
Grab the new Cinch from Trango, for some reason many use to feel that the Gri-Gri was significantly better. IS IT STILL? Why or why not? !
What about the continued effects of pitons and the pussy's too lazy, scared or indifferent who have to use them to tear the rock up? ! Do a Ron Olevesky interview article and get some Federal slackhounds to spout off on the lowlifes tearing up the cliffs?! HOW ABOUT RESURRECTING THE ETHICAL SHIFT THAT GALEN ROWELL, CHOIUNARD, HENNICK, ERIKKSON AND ROBINSON wanted to effect- and failed, 100 years ago in the 70's. Post that pic of Serenity crack one more time fer christsakes. Stir up the shit;.
Call up John Long and beg for an article or 3. The man is a magician with words.
We don't want to hear of some kid who can boulder v10 while listening to Rap. WE DON'T CARE, yaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnn.
BTW, I like the Epperson kind of pics, high angle, hot, steep and hard stuff. Great shots. Don't know what Dingus is talking about. I have plenty of amateur shots which just suck.
BTW, welcome back.
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In reply to: What happened to Achey? For a while he was doing pretty well, IMO....
That's what I would like to know too. Jeff Achey is the only reason I subscribed to Climbing again. That being said, I think Matt is a really nice guy and I don't know Thesenga at all.
Curt
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I like the magazines for a number of reasons. However, the gear issues are of little use to the subscribers who have been reading monthly reviews of new gear all along (as well as here). I feel cheated for having the gear issue included as one of a limited number of issues. A miniscule complaint in the grand scheme of things, but every time I unwrap one of those issues, I flip through it in two minutes and throw it into the recycling pile.
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Matt is the man, but thesenga is a bolt chopping fire breathing dragon.
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i think climbing will get a much needed lift from this change of the guard. i have never met jt or matt formally, but having read some of matt's articles and spoken to him via email. the guy is going to bring some much needed spunk to the rag. i wish them the best of luck and i look forward to their contribution to the magazine.
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In reply to: every time I unwrap one of those [gear] issues, I flip through it in two minutes and throw it into the recycling pile.
Sounds kind of like what I do with EVERY issue. Last copy I picked up: AD, AD,AD, AD, 1/2 page of contents + AD, another AD, 1/2 page AD + editor/publisher information, AD, Letters (with 1/4 page AD), AD, Content (with 1/4 or 1/8 page AD)... ad infinitum.
Give me a break. Besides, other than current (sort of) news every issue is quite redundant and recycled.
To Mr. Samet and Sir Chops-a-lot:
Maybe I would buy the mag if there were a few less ads... And if every copy of Alpinist has spontaneously burst into flames. And if I feel like reminding myself what it's like to WASTE money.
Cheers,
A.W.
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