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healyje
Mar 21, 2006, 6:59 PM
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Lisa,
Clipping bolts is simple, learn trad and you earn the freedom to go anywhere including places where you can clip bolts.
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zazenchic
Mar 21, 2006, 11:21 PM
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I agree with you 110%!
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climbsomething
Mar 21, 2006, 11:25 PM
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There was supposed to be something interesting here. Trad-sport wanking is not interesting.
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pink_chalk
Mar 21, 2006, 11:50 PM
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In reply to: There was supposed to be something interesting here. Trad-sport wanking is not interesting.
LOL! :lol:
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zazenchic
Mar 22, 2006, 1:44 PM
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now i understand why there's always funny drama on rockclimbing.com there's always someone who has to try and get it started. girl, climbings about having fun and this is a trad messageboard. things are going to favor trad climbing on a trad messageboard, it's just a fact. I don't know many people in my day to day life that enjoy trad, so it's nice to come online and shoot the shit with some people that do. and thanks to everyone by the way, it's nice to see all you wonderful people really do exist!
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dirtineye
Mar 22, 2006, 2:00 PM
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HAHA, hey you're my kind of climber gal!
I see you live in GA, if you want to climb with the old guard, lemme know, we'll take you out and, um, show you some trad.
You'll learn why experienced trad climbers prefer double ropes, what to do when your partner with 30 years experience forgets his harness, and how to bluff the other guy into leading though the Poison Ivy!!
Pay no attention to that LSP ( Little Sport Pumpkin) Climbsomething, she's always a bit jealous of other females moving in on her domain.
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heiko
Mar 22, 2006, 2:41 PM
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Why do I have the impression that soon as people looked at zazen's profile pic this thread wasn't about trad anymore? :lol:
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addiroids
Mar 22, 2006, 3:24 PM
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I would watch out for dirtineye. He may just decide to "teach" you to place gear on lead while you aid the FA he is doing to clean out all the dirt out of the cracks so he can go up and climb it.
That's not his nickname for no reason!!!
Just kidding. He's a good dude. Met him in Joshua Tree once. He was taking a "rest" on Double Cross...but it looked like he was just hanging on gear at the 5.7 crux :)
And remember Curt...NO SANDBAGGING THE BEGINNERS...ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE HOT CHICKS!!!
Feel free to sandbag me if we ever climb together though dude!!!
Glad you've seen the light Lisa. And yes, your profile picture is beautiful. Get a little Cali sun on those cheeks and you'll have even more people drooling over/on you :)
I'm light.
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dirtineye
Mar 22, 2006, 3:45 PM
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HAHA, I did meet addirods in Jtree, but I never climbed double cross.
Met him at a party, where all these chick were htting on him.
And Addy, I'm the one who drops the dirt on belayers, not the other way around!!! OF course you get get some in your own eye that way...
You should come south. Check out Photobucket, climbingoldguy for what yer missing. When I'm well, I'm gonna climb like it's 1999!!! Or was that party? I forget.
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schveety
Mar 22, 2006, 4:20 PM
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I don't know how the OP feels about it, but please guys, the comments about her looks, grow up!!! She posted a story about trad climbing, she didn't ask you if she could be the next Miss America. I'm 24 and I don't check out the profile of some 15 year old guy and say "God he's so handsome, he's the only thing interesting in this thread, I'd really like to take him climbing." I'll never understand why men can't keep their comments to themselves............
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pink_chalk
Mar 22, 2006, 7:04 PM
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its all in the profile pic. why not post the classic butt-shot pic and avoid this whole thing. well... maybe. :?
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tradklime
Mar 22, 2006, 7:30 PM
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You girls are sure sounding catty. Perhaps you're just jealous of the attention she's gettin' from the boys...
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havard
Mar 22, 2006, 8:21 PM
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Am I the only one interested in how the day of learning the ropes was?
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paganmonkeyboy
Mar 22, 2006, 8:24 PM
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In reply to: Why do I have the impression that soon as people looked at zazen's profile pic this thread wasn't about trad anymore? :lol:
rofl g....
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dirtineye
Mar 22, 2006, 8:27 PM
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In reply to: I don't know how the OP feels about it, but please guys, the comments about her looks, grow up!!! She posted a story about trad climbing, she didn't ask you if she could be the next Miss America. I'm 24 and I don't check out the profile of some 15 year old guy and say "God he's so handsome, he's the only thing interesting in this thread, I'd really like to take him climbing." I'll never understand why men can't keep their comments to themselves............
Hmmm, a name like sveety and a sig that talks about assless pants for climbing, and a cute profile pic of your own...
Grow up yourself.
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dirtineye
Mar 22, 2006, 8:35 PM
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In reply to: its all in the profile pic. why not post the classic butt-shot pic and avoid this whole thing. well... maybe. :?
WEll see, she poseted a nice pic, and some people like it, and this being the internet, they are going to say so.
At least none of the posts are rude or crude, or mean, bitter and cynical, sort of like your's and schveety's.
Come on girls, here's your chance to prude out and dog one or your own, who's looking for partners who might actually teach her some trad!!!
Let her have it!!!
I know which of you I'd climb wiht already, LOL.
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eastvillage
Mar 22, 2006, 8:39 PM
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Well, how was it? Are you going again?
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dingus
Mar 22, 2006, 9:03 PM
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To the OP:
As I think back over the last 20 years or so, and the noobs I have personally witnessed 'come aboard' the good ship climbing, the following observation seems to hold true:
The best learners, indeed, the best climbers I have known have been open to ALL forms of climbing and pursued them all, often simultaneously. I personally see no benefit to learning trad first. Nor do I see a benefit of learning sport first. I think you'd gain the most benefit from doing both, as often as you can.
Those noobs who restrict themselves to one form of climbing often do so, imo, as a result of undue influence of mentors and people they admire. Sometimes this style obsession takes on near religious overtones. Its scary and young folk should avoid such limiting thinking.
I too climbed a long time before I started sport climbing. Not all of that was 'trad' though. A lot of these people don't even really know what trad is, haha. But my trad climbing, as commonly defined, gained a lot of benefit from sport climbing when I did... immediate benefit and in to my previously limited thinking, unexpected ways.
Runnouts over hard moves, pushing through to the next protection point, finding stances secure enough to let go with one hand, hugely improved footwork (liberated from crack climbing mentality), mental fortitude, a go-for-it attitide.
Personally I don't find 'falling' a cross over aspect from sport climbing, that should mostly be LEFT in the sport climbing arena, especially on lower angle and easier trad routes.
Anyway, the message I think you should consider is going for the brass ring in all aspects of the sport in which you have interest. There is no over riding benefit to be gained from learning one then the other if compared to learning both simultaneously.
But when you need to switch to being the driver, to being the one who plans the climbs, and leads the hard pitches... sport climbing is a cheaper ticket to harder performance. Of that there is no doubt.
DMT
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schveety
Mar 22, 2006, 9:42 PM
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Good lord, Dirtineye and everyone else!!! Can you read!!! I certainly wasn't being catty with the OP, I think she's beautiful too, but there's a right and wrong place to post your opinion on how someone looks. It's just that it tends to be the men that have to comment on women's looks, instead of just focusing on the posts. I don't get on men's threads and post bullshit about their profile pics, unless I knew them well enough. Besides, do you even realize that alot of young women are offended and disgusted when 40+ year old men (old enough to be their dad), say things like, "If I was twenty-years younger....". If you were twenty years younger you would what...... fill in the blank, it can be misconstrued as something rude and crude. I'm not saying all men are pigs, or that women don't like compliments, but keep it out of the posts unless we ask for it or PM your thoughts to us. And yeah, schveety is about as grown up a name is dirtineye........................
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ccox
Mar 22, 2006, 10:07 PM
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Just keep in mind that its overly excited people like you that sometimes end up rag dolled at the base of a cliff. Spend alot of time watching, inspecting, removing good gear placements by masters. Don't learn from a beginner, and don't test your limits of difficulty until you have alot of experience. In other words don't fall on your gear until you've been placing gear for a long time. Know for sure you won't deck in the worst case scenario. Make sure your free climbing skills far exceed your gear confidence. In other words, don't treat gear like bolts. Good luck.
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dirtineye
Mar 22, 2006, 10:11 PM
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In reply to: Just keep in mind that its overly excited people like you that sometimes end up rag dolled at the base of a cliff. Spend alot of time watching, inspecting, removing good gear placements by masters. Don't learn from a beginner, and don't test your limits of difficulty until you have alot of experience. In other words don't fall on your gear until you've been placing gear for a long time. Know for sure you won't deck in the worst case scenario. Make sure your free climbing skills far exceed your gear confidence. In other words, don't treat gear like bolts. Good luck.
Looks like the overly excited person here is schveety-- Probably because she's climbing in those assless pants.
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the_mitt
Mar 22, 2006, 10:11 PM
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dingus
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I used to get all sorts of unwanted advances and comments from the ladies when I used this as my profile shot:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=33132
It got so bad I had to change it. My new profile pic did the trick nicely... no more *unwanted* advances.
DMT
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