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oldsalt
May 20, 2007, 4:41 PM
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This thread has reached new lows as far as I can see.
We need enough n00bs to make up for those who leave the sport - voluntarily or otherwise. A smaller market means fewer choices and higher prices.
If I thought that all climbers were like several who have posted on this thread, I would give up the life.
I know better, thank goodness...
n00bs, the people you meet at the crag actually climb (usually), unlike some of those you meet online. The guys and girls I climb with or near have ranged from great people down to OK, which is better than you'll find in men's or women's softball.
I have seen groups of n00bs hogging routes, but never without an experienced person who showed his *ss when we asked to share a route.
Oh, and who that matters gives a crap where you live? I put 40,000 miles on my car in the last year to make 13 trips to real rock. That might make me a fool, but it doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else.
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crewdude
May 20, 2007, 8:49 PM
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Only thing I can really say to a bunch of egotistical climbers is, have you ever rowed in a state medaling crew boat? no, I'm guessing you haven't.... It takes just as much finesse and a lot more strength... This isn't to downplay climbing, its definitely second on list of sports that I'm familiar with...
And w/e ya'll.... you can talk about how we don't have real rock here as much as you want, because I don't care... planning on taking a trip up to do some climbing sometime this week either in Georgia or the Carolinas...
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zeke_sf
May 20, 2007, 9:25 PM
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Being really exceptional at one thing doesn't make you any less of a n00b in another. Moreover, I don't want to hear about your exploits in crew, swimming, weightlifting, greco-roman wrestling, cycling, kayaking, skydiving, ping pong or any other damn sport than what comes before the ".com" in that funny little box way up at the top there ^^^^.
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nb_boarder16
May 21, 2007, 12:38 AM
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Oh my god. Seriously SHUT UP!!! Just because you are alone in your own sad little world doesn't mean the rest of us have to live friendless. Rock climbing is all about having fun and getting away to relax. The only thing I can hope is that any new climbers that read this will completely discount it and assume its only due to your sole ignorance that anything this stupid was actually posted. Leave those who actually enjoy life the hell alone.
BTW- I have been climbing for 5 years now so try to come up with something other than 'stupid noob'...so think real hard ok?
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time2clmb
May 21, 2007, 4:10 PM
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In reply to: Only thing I can really say to a bunch of egotistical rowers are, have you ever climbed anything harder than 5.10? no, I'm guessing you haven't.... It takes more finesse and a lot more strength
hahahaha
Look man, if you have never climbed anything harder than moderate climbs in a Florida gym....then how can you possibly say that rowing a boat required more finesse than climbing? Sorry man, but this is just stupid and shows a serious lack of any real climbing experience. Row row row your boat, the same move over and over and over and over again...yeah real hard to get the muscle memory going on something so repetative.
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slablizard
May 21, 2007, 4:13 PM
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: You just n00bed all over yourself. Need a cleenex? Snip....that's a keeper. Thanks for the new sig Slablizard lol.
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crewdude
May 22, 2007, 4:35 AM
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: Only thing I can really say to a bunch of egotistical rowers are, have you ever climbed anything harder than 5.10? no, I'm guessing you haven't.... It takes more finesse and a lot more strength hahahaha Look man, if you have never climbed anything harder than moderate climbs in a Florida gym....then how can you possibly say that rowing a boat required more finesse than climbing? Sorry man, but this is just stupid and shows a serious lack of any real climbing experience. Row row row your boat, the same move over and over and over and over again...yeah real hard to get the muscle memory going on something so repetative.
actually, just flashed a 5.10b earlier this week... felt good... and now I'm working on a 5.11c...
but yea... i don't really care what you guys think, I've experienced both sports at a 'JV' level and crew is definitely the harder of the two...
muscle memory has very little to do with competitive rowing... if you work off muscle memory you lose... its about still having the mental concentration and the physical finesse to run the boat as fast as possible while you're so tired you wish that you would die because you can't breathe and when you stop you can't even sit up strait, let alone walk around... keeping the whole boat level and running smooth while not wanting to do anything but stop...
Climbing is a challenge and will be another lifelong hobby of mine (along with rowing and some others) but I think the difference is the room for improvement and the possibilities of where you can climb... not only that but you don't have to put up with team mates... or have them... just a partner or two to climb with...
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richardvg03
May 22, 2007, 4:37 AM
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crewdude... this is old news... now you're asking for people to flame you! Don't go looking for a fight right after you complain about getting flamed!
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crewdude
May 22, 2007, 4:42 AM
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richardvg03 wrote: crewdude... this is old news... now you're asking for people to flame you! Don't go looking for a fight right after you complain about getting flamed!
I'm not looking for a fight, just saying that crew is more physically demanding and requires team technique (which sucks) which is harder to get down...
climbing is hard but different... of the two, no matter what people say about it (unless they have rowed and have a valid point), crew is the harder sport...
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Pdizz
May 22, 2007, 5:16 AM
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In reply to: Climbing is not a team sport. It is an outlet for people who get grumpy in the presence of large groups. When you show up to the crag with more than 4 people, it is RUDE. That's right. Just by being there with your group, you are being an ASSHOLE. Smile all you want, it makes no difference. These group trips where you all laugh and have fun, they are not about climbing. They are about your stupid group, with a little climbing sideshow. The rest of us aren't interested in your toprope wanking, or the Bold Leader of your group who strings up topropes on those .10c's much to the joy and admiration of the rest of you. Stop doing multipitches with more than two people. A party of three is lame enough, and a party with more that three... well, I don't even know what to say about that it is so stupid. The only groups that roll so deep are nothing but the rankest beginners, who just seem to feed off each other's enthusiasm and ignorance. Look around next time. You won't see anyone who knows what they were doing in a big group. Climbing is not a social sport. There should be two of you, and half the time you are separated by half a rope, and one of you is focused on climbing, the other on belaying. I only bring this up because of a thread I read this morning about a pack of n00bs taking over all the climbs on a cliff. That is inexcusable. Fortunately it only happens at shitty crags. If you want to have your group parties, either go to the gym or go to the beach and play volleyball. Your large climbing group is offensive to everyone else at the crag. Climbing is not a team sport.
its about being a crag nazi
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richardvg03
May 22, 2007, 5:32 AM
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see what you've done crew... now it's the same lame ass argument over and over again...
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time2clmb
May 22, 2007, 5:34 AM
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In reply to: actually, just flashed a 5.10b earlier this week... felt good... and now I'm working on a 5.11c...
That's not even close to a "competition" grade...especially in a gym in Florida.
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Pdizz
May 22, 2007, 5:36 AM
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haha what do you know
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caughtinside
May 22, 2007, 5:37 AM
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: actually, just flashed a 5.10b earlier this week... felt good... and now I'm working on a 5.11c... That's not even close to a "competition" grade...especially in a gym in Florida.
Hey man, he flashed a warm up climb. Give him a break.
Crew. I love it. I want to hear more about how it is harder than climbing.
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crewdude
May 22, 2007, 5:43 AM
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caughtinside wrote: time2clmb wrote: In reply to: actually, just flashed a 5.10b earlier this week... felt good... and now I'm working on a 5.11c... That's not even close to a "competition" grade...especially in a gym in Florida. Hey man, he flashed a warm up climb. Give him a break. Crew. I love it. I want to hear more about how it is harder than climbing.
hey dude, im just saying, until someone else has personal experience otherwise and wants to talk for real about it, im not gonna argue with people that only rock climb...
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caughtinside
May 22, 2007, 5:46 AM
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crewdude wrote: caughtinside wrote: time2clmb wrote: In reply to: actually, just flashed a 5.10b earlier this week... felt good... and now I'm working on a 5.11c... That's not even close to a "competition" grade...especially in a gym in Florida. Hey man, he flashed a warm up climb. Give him a break. Crew. I love it. I want to hear more about how it is harder than climbing. hey dude, im just saying, until someone else has personal experience otherwise and wants to talk for real about it, im not gonna argue with people that only rock climb...
Maybe we shouldn't be arguing with someone who only climbs on plastic?
it ain't the same, you know.
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Pdizz
May 22, 2007, 5:48 AM
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In reply to: Maybe we shouldn't be arguing with someone who only climbs on plastic? it ain't the same, you know.
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richardvg03
May 22, 2007, 5:58 AM
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Pdizz wrote: In reply to: Maybe we shouldn't be arguing with someone who only climbs on plastic? it ain't the same, you know. i agree
second that! completely different... i climb a 5.12 on plastic... 5.7 on rock
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quiteatingmysteak
May 22, 2007, 6:58 AM
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decorator_crab wrote: Climbing is not a team sport. It is an outlet for people who get grumpy in the presence of large groups. When you show up to the crag with more than 4 people, it is RUDE. That's right. Just by being there with your group, you are being an ASSHOLE. Smile all you want, it makes no difference. These group trips where you all laugh and have fun, they are not about climbing. They are about your stupid group, with a little climbing sideshow. The rest of us aren't interested in your toprope wanking, or the Bold Leader of your group who strings up topropes on those .10c's much to the joy and admiration of the rest of you. Stop doing multipitches with more than two people. A party of three is lame enough, and a party with more that three... well, I don't even know what to say about that it is so stupid. The only groups that roll so deep are nothing but the rankest beginners, who just seem to feed off each other's enthusiasm and ignorance. Look around next time. You won't see anyone who knows what they were doing in a big group. Climbing is not a social sport. There should be two of you, and half the time you are separated by half a rope, and one of you is focused on climbing, the other on belaying. I only bring this up because of a thread I read this morning about a pack of n00bs taking over all the climbs on a cliff. That is inexcusable. Fortunately it only happens at shitty crags. If you want to have your group parties, either go to the gym or go to the beach and play volleyball. Your large climbing group is offensive to everyone else at the crag. Climbing is not a team sport.
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justthemaid
May 22, 2007, 3:30 PM
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I say we all pool our $ and buy Crabby a good set of hiking boots.
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richardvg03
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justthemaid wrote: I say we all pool our $ and buy Crabby a good set of hiking boots.
I like this chick....
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hiyapokey
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I have noticed that all the "classic climbs" are either close to town or some kind of crazy cool spire in the middle of nowhere. Do people set up top ropes on the first pitch of Devil's Tower or Lost Arrow. Go do some first acsents if your so awesome. If your climbing the same routes as the nOObs that doesn't say much about your ability. My group never set any top ropes up on anything harder then 5.9.
I do a lot of other non climbing activities and look at virgin solid granite, sandstone and basalt all day long. Not bolted and no one around for 5 miles in any direction. I don't think I've seen even one climber outside until I stopped by the side of a road (paved) and watched some nice folks climbing a top roped crag in the Jemez in New Mexico. Get off the sport routes and climb something no one has ever climbed before. You won't see me (I'm a beginner going on intermediate) I'll be at the crag climbing with my group or at the gym trying to learn enough to be safe when I go out to where you ought to be. If you do see me out in the wild I probably won't be climbing (I'll probably be hunting) and you can bet I'll come over and say hi to you, because as a group climbers are a great bunch of people. They pick up their trash and are usually very friendly.
Also, if you want to climb instead of bitch you could get up a little earlier. Its pretty hard to get a group to the crag earlier than say 9 or 10. You'd be on the third pitch of your classic climb before the group even showed up. When people have a sense of entitlement because of seniority it makes me want to puke. Senior people in any activity should be well fed (beer and ham sammichs) servants of the community.
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ltj16hb
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decorator_crab wrote: Climbing is not a team sport. It is an outlet for people who get grumpy in the presence of large groups. When you show up to the crag with more than 4 people, it is RUDE. That's right. Just by being there with your group, you are being an ASSHOLE. Smile all you want, it makes no difference. These group trips where you all laugh and have fun, they are not about climbing. They are about your stupid group, with a little climbing sideshow. The rest of us aren't interested in your toprope wanking, or the Bold Leader of your group who strings up topropes on those .10c's much to the joy and admiration of the rest of you. Stop doing multipitches with more than two people. A party of three is lame enough, and a party with more that three... well, I don't even know what to say about that it is so stupid. The only groups that roll so deep are nothing but the rankest beginners, who just seem to feed off each other's enthusiasm and ignorance. Look around next time. You won't see anyone who knows what they were doing in a big group. Climbing is not a social sport. There should be two of you, and half the time you are separated by half a rope, and one of you is focused on climbing, the other on belaying. I only bring this up because of a thread I read this morning about a pack of n00bs taking over all the climbs on a cliff. That is inexcusable. Fortunately it only happens at shitty crags. If you want to have your group parties, either go to the gym or go to the beach and play volleyball. Your large climbing group is offensive to everyone else at the crag. Climbing is not a team sport.
hmmm 7 pages when the first post wasted enough of my life....
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