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It has for me since the drive to climb is about 2 1/2 hours away. The nearest gym is about 30 minutes. To help with gas I've been bicycling to work during the week
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oldandintheway wrote: If so how and have you any alternatives?
Nope.
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lmfao.
Gas here is still 4 times what you pay.
Stop complaining and get more efficient cars (not just you but it's S&D, if less people dronve the cumguzzling fucktard-mobiles gas prices would be lower)
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sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. Stop complaining and get more efficient cars (not just you but it's S&D, if less people dronve the cumguzzling fucktard-mobiles gas prices would be lower)
Not true.
Gas prices are what they are out of a percieved future demand; that and people realizing now that if they invest into this demand they will turn a quick buck.
Your prices are high due to the fact that you are on an island that nobody wants.
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epoch
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oldandintheway wrote: If so how and have you any alternatives?
My closest climbing destination is 10 minutes down the road. It's bouldering, but what can you ask for? There's also some potential 20 meter routes, but I'm too lazy to develop them.
My nearest "climbing" area is 30 miles away and is a 45 minute drive and doesn't pick too deep into the gas tank. However, because of the increased gas prices I have become accutely aware of where I go. Destination areas that I once considered to be a decent day trip (2 - 3 hour drives) are slowly becoming not worth it unless I spend at least a night in the area to maximize the investment in gasoline it took to get there. Destinations beyond the 3 hour threshold are now in the "I need to spend at least 4 days here" category. It's not that the amount of climbing is decreasing, but that the time is being more condensed at the areas to maximize the amount of gas used to get there.
All told, if it will be more than 1 tank of gas to complete the entire trip, then I plan on being there for a few days. If it will be right around a tank then it's not worth it for just one day. Less than a tank and I'll still get a few days of commuting done on the remainder of the gas from the trip then it is worth it.
Now, if mah partner is paying for gas on the trip I'll drive an insane amount for climbing.
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Yeah they have. I climb more at my local gym now rather than driving further to the ones where I know more people that climb there, it kind of sucks, but it saves money.
As far as outdoor trips go, it hasn't changed much because I carpool as much as possible. That helps out a lot. I am a member of the Texas Mountaineers, so we usually have a pretty good sized group that goes out so we can usually always find one or more to carpool with.
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Having just drove from Ont to BC and back I noticed that the price of gas was different on the return trip on the common gas stations. I went partially through Ont then dropped into the US on the way out. It increased my travelling distance and time, while coming back I stayed in Can. The trip back was about 500 Km shorter and what I saw in saving from the out trip I saw in the saving from the return. This morning the price of gas where I'm at is at $1.39 per Li, which converts to about $5.25 a US gal.
Has it changed my planning for road trips - yes, no more VW or KY in the fall
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I feel ya binrat, my locations have also changed too. I climb at a closer crag now, but the bright side of that is that the crag-wilderness area is pretty much all trad so I get a more enjoyable experience. But at the same time the GF just moved to Austin so I will likely be climbing at the sport crags there more.
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epoch wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. Stop complaining and get more efficient cars (not just you but it's S&D, if less people dronve the cumguzzling fucktard-mobiles gas prices would be lower) Not true. Gas prices are what they are out of a percieved future demand; that and people realizing now that if they invest into this demand they will turn a quick buck. Your prices are high due to the fact that you are on an island that nobody wants.
What's your take on the Demand part of the equation?
It's not irrelevant.
Complex perhaps, but you can't just write it off.
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Hasn't impacted day-to-day decisions much (living in SLC, plenty of local areas to be had), but it has definitely played into decisions for longer summer trips. Last three years we've done a trip to the Bugaboos, but this year we're staying closer to home, heading to the Winds instead. And more weekends at the closer "alpine" spot (Lone Peak Cirque) versus multiple trips to the Tetons.
Looking ahead to desert season, we're looking at more trips where we can drive the Subie, versus those where we need the clearance and uber-4WD of our truck.
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If I was in a different situation, yes. But right now I'm working most weekends and forced to stay local (well, ~1 hour drive away). When I do get weekends off I'm ready to do the 4 hour drive to the closest good climbing and pay the price for the gas to get there.
If I had every weekend off I'd think a lot harder about heading out every chance I got.
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limeydave wrote: epoch wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. Stop complaining and get more efficient cars (not just you but it's S&D, if less people dronve the cumguzzling fucktard-mobiles gas prices would be lower) Not true. Gas prices are what they are out of a percieved future demand; that and people realizing now that if they invest into this demand they will turn a quick buck. Your prices are high due to the fact that you are on an island that nobody wants. What's your take on the Demand part of the equation? It's not irrelevant. Complex perhaps, but you can't just write it off.
Demand has gone up. I'm not saying that one should discredit that side of the equation, but it is not from us who drive bohemoths. Demand is currently greatest in developing countries. Our, the US' demand is actually decreasing and has been for the past year or so. China is the current big ticket for oil demand. "China alone accounted for almost half of last year's increase in global demand."
Anyone following the news lately?
Talk of $200 oil casts a shadow over G8 summit
Don't hate the SUV. Hate the 3 billion consumers in China.
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epoch wrote: Don't hate the SUV. Hate the 3 billion consumers in China.
Now now, never you fret; I have enough hate to go around for everyone alike. Escalades and Hummers that have never left city limits or seen so much as a scratch earn a special hatred from deep down in my little charcoal heart.
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kriso9tails wrote: epoch wrote: Don't hate the SUV. Hate the 3 billion consumers in China. Now now, never you fret; I have enough hate to go around for everyone alike. Escalades and Hummers that have never left city limits or seen so much as a scratch earn a special hatred from deep down in my little charcoal heart.
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Gas prices have not affected my climbing plans yet. I am more aware of how much it costs to drive to the Red or the New, but I can still afford it.
What do I do about it? Not much, beyond driving a fuel-efficient car (Toyota Corolla) and having at least one (and often two) passengers/carpoolers when I actually drive to a climbing destination.
If things continue to get more expensive, I think I will cut expences in other areas of my life before I would cut climbing trips...
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lena_chita wrote: Gas prices have not affected my climbing plans yet. I am more aware of how much it costs to drive to the Red or the New, but I can still afford it. What do I do about it? Not much, beyond driving a fuel-efficient car (Toyota Corolla) and having at least one (and often two) passengers/carpoolers when I actually drive to a climbing destination. If things continue to get more expensive, I think I will cut expences in other areas of my life before I would cut climbing trips...
kerect.
who's weekend is it, btw?
i bike to school all week to help offset climbing gas. course, the bike hasnt "paid for" itself yet, but it's working on it.
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I had a car 10 years ago in Italy more fuel efficent than the one I have here now, that is not that bad..( WRX...about 26MPGH)
gas prices are up...but still hal;f of what the rest of the world pays...the holyday is out here in the states for free gass, so now people will start to think WHY they feel the need of 8 tons of metal around them just to hold their latte...(grin) and understand why for years the rest of the world looked at american cars with puzzling curiosity. (to say the least)
ANyway no it didn't affect my habits, I hypermile commuting all week, and let it go during the weekend if I'm going climbing / skating/ snowboarding.
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Its not about what you drive but HOW you drive...
I can get my little 1500cc to the crag and back (250km's/three hours one way) for under $50nz.
Then we usually car pool up... 50 / 4 = $12.50 each to go climbing... well worth the price.
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clausti wrote: lena_chita wrote: Gas prices have not affected my climbing plans yet. I am more aware of how much it costs to drive to the Red or the New, but I can still afford it. What do I do about it? Not much, beyond driving a fuel-efficient car (Toyota Corolla) and having at least one (and often two) passengers/carpoolers when I actually drive to a climbing destination. If things continue to get more expensive, I think I will cut expences in other areas of my life before I would cut climbing trips... kerect. who's weekend is it, btw? i bike to school all week to help offset climbing gas. course, the bike hasnt "paid for" itself yet, but it's working on it.
hahaha
same here! but it's worth it. plus i get a little cardio in, and it wakes me up in the morning before calculus class bores me half to death.
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sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay.
It's only about double now, and most of that is tax.
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Going to Italy tomorrow, so I'd have to answer a resounding "No." 
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epoch wrote: limeydave wrote: epoch wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. Stop complaining and get more efficient cars (not just you but it's S&D, if less people dronve the cumguzzling fucktard-mobiles gas prices would be lower) Not true. Gas prices are what they are out of a percieved future demand; that and people realizing now that if they invest into this demand they will turn a quick buck. Your prices are high due to the fact that you are on an island that nobody wants. What's your take on the Demand part of the equation? It's not irrelevant. Complex perhaps, but you can't just write it off. Demand has gone up. I'm not saying that one should discredit that side of the equation, but it is not from us who drive bohemoths. Demand is currently greatest in developing countries. Our, the US' demand is actually decreasing and has been for the past year or so. China is the current big ticket for oil demand. "China alone accounted for almost half of last year's increase in global demand." Anyone following the news lately? Talk of $200 oil casts a shadow over G8 summit Don't hate the SUV. Hate the 3 billion consumers in China.
Nope, I think its still hate the SUV
http://money.cnn.com/...peculation/index.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/...on/12krugman.html?hp
Granted, that last one is opinion, but I think we need to all open our eyes.
"China alone accounted for almost half of last year's increase in global demand."
Nice little quote, its this kind of newspeak that disgusts me, yeah, China accounted for half of the increase, but without pure numbers that means nothing.
Yeah, I don't take long day trips far away anymore either.
Am I not to blame? nope, I am just as guilty as anyone.
I do believe that if anything is going to fix the problem, its going to be $200-a-barrel oil.
Stop blaming the oil companies, stop blaming China, stop blaming speculators.
Our economy and way of life is built on the idea of cheap energy, well, it was fun while it lasted.
Hopefully too many don't starve to death when it finally does get bad.
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brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. It's only about double now, and most of that is tax.
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sort of.
the best climbing in the ADK's in 1 1/2 hours away so on days i go I take my wife's little car instead of the my tacoma, unless i'm headed to some of the remote places where 4 by4 is needed to avoid bottoming out/getting stuck
we did cancel a trip up to north conway due to the gas prices though
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PTFTW!!!
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I carpool.
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and ride my bike everywhere in the city.
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so that I can still spend money for gas on climbing trips.
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A cunning plan. I bike everywhere in the village and have no car, which helps me save money even more!!!
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I tend not to drive to the crags by myself anymore, I usually carpool with friends that have more fuel efficient cars. Most weekend trips are down to the New or to Seneca, both 3.5-4 hour drives. Which in a jeep wrangler now gets pretty expensive, and it saves me a good bit of money to carpool. (444 miles /20 mpg at best = 22.2 gallons * $4 = $88.8 round trip to the New).
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Myxomatosis wrote: Its not about what you drive but HOW you drive... I can get my little 1500cc to the crag and back (250km's/three hours one way) for under $50nz. Then we usually car pool up... 50 / 4 = $12.50 each to go climbing... well worth the price.
Sure...try to hypermile on a ford 250 extended....
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sungam wrote: brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. It's only about double now, and most of that is tax. no, it's like quadruple still.mind the exchange rate and the l to gallon thingy.
no, it's about £1.15 a liter in Edinburgh, and by my calculations that is around £4.35 for a US gallon, roughly $8.60
the price in Philadelphia right now is about $4.20, so it's closer to double.
you might be paying a bit more up north but I don't think you're up to £2.25/Liter yet.
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slablizard wrote: Myxomatosis wrote: Its not about what you drive but HOW you drive... I can get my little 1500cc to the crag and back (250km's/three hours one way) for under $50nz. Then we usually car pool up... 50 / 4 = $12.50 each to go climbing... well worth the price. Sure...try to hypermile on a ford 250 extended....
You got a long board... tie a rope to your mates tow bar and you get there for free
Not to sure what kind of condition you will be in tho
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brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. It's only about double now, and most of that is tax. no, it's like quadruple still.mind the exchange rate and the l to gallon thingy. no, it's about £1.15 a liter in Edinburgh, and by my calculations that is around £4.35 for a US gallon, roughly $8.60 the price in Philadelphia right now is about $4.20, so it's closer to double. you might be paying a bit more up north but I don't think you're up to £2.25/Liter yet.
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Myxomatosis wrote: slablizard wrote: Myxomatosis wrote: Its not about what you drive but HOW you drive... I can get my little 1500cc to the crag and back (250km's/three hours one way) for under $50nz. Then we usually car pool up... 50 / 4 = $12.50 each to go climbing... well worth the price. Sure...try to hypermile on a ford 250 extended.... You got a long board... tie a rope to your mates tow bar and you get there for free Not to sure what kind of condition you will be in tho
Me coming back from Tahoe...about 70 MPH
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Nice pic lizard
Personally I think we should go back to horse's.... Pick up a old one from the cat food factory for cheap ($150? my mates dad couldn't give one away a few months ago!!!) and how much food does it really eat in a year compared to petrol in a car?
You wouldn't need to transport it around anywhere, as it is the transport.
We all got barns (a garage) the only up keep would be cleaning up the shit... but could be sold off as fertilizer.
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sungam wrote: brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. It's only about double now, and most of that is tax. no, it's like quadruple still.mind the exchange rate and the l to gallon thingy. no, it's about £1.15 a liter in Edinburgh, and by my calculations that is around £4.35 for a US gallon, roughly $8.60 the price in Philadelphia right now is about $4.20, so it's closer to double. you might be paying a bit more up north but I don't think you're up to £2.25/Liter yet. Out here in the middle of nowhere we pay niegh on 2 quid a litre and where my GF is in NC, she's paying 4.07 bucks, so it's nearing there by the info I was running on :). shoulda thouht about where I was, though.
Holy shit, that's expensive. I was in London about a month ago and prices briefly went up to 1.31 pounds/liter--which is around $10/gallon. I thought that was bad enough.
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curt wrote: sungam wrote: brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: brewer19 wrote: sungam wrote: lmfao. Gas here is still 4 times what you pay. It's only about double now, and most of that is tax. no, it's like quadruple still.mind the exchange rate and the l to gallon thingy. no, it's about £1.15 a liter in Edinburgh, and by my calculations that is around £4.35 for a US gallon, roughly $8.60 the price in Philadelphia right now is about $4.20, so it's closer to double. you might be paying a bit more up north but I don't think you're up to £2.25/Liter yet. Out here in the middle of nowhere we pay niegh on 2 quid a litre and where my GF is in NC, she's paying 4.07 bucks, so it's nearing there by the info I was running on :). shoulda thouht about where I was, though. Holy shit, that's expensive. I was in London about a month ago and prices briefly went up to 1.31 pounds/liter--which is around $10/gallon. I thought that was bad enough. Curt
Oh, and most of the people that drive through here are tourists (read: suckerz).
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where are the electric cars and why is the government suppressing them? the technology and desire are there. even if only for commuting.
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Yes it has. And ecological concerns as well. And tendonitis too.
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reno wrote: Going to Italy tomorrow, so I'd have to answer a resounding "No."
As for those of us remaining State-side, high gas costs aren't helping with my crag development. Add to that the increasing costs of drill bits and SS bolts, new bolted pitches can cost me as much as $150 or $200.
New trad routes are looking better and better.
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shorty wrote: reno wrote: Going to Italy tomorrow, so I'd have to answer a resounding "No." Dude -- you suck. But anyway, enjoy the climbing. Climbing overseas is a trip you'll never forget. Just remember one thing about limestone / dolomite towers -- if the hold is big and sharp, you probably don't want to use it (it may be a "portable" hand hold). If the hold is small, polished, and greasy -- that's the one you should use. As for those of us remaining State-side, high gas costs aren't helping with my crag development. Add to that the increasing costs of drill bits and SS bolts, new bolted pitches can cost me as much as $150 or $200. New trad routes are looking better and better.
if you let people know where the crag that won't be name is located, you could put up a donation box
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macherry wrote: if you let people know where the crag that won't be name is located, you could put up a donation box
"Du-u-ude, check this out. It's like booty for the taking -- bolts, hangers, and dollar bills. Maybe some looser will buy the hardware from us, then we are so going to the strip club for some beers."
In reality, the gas and hardware costs are only the tip of the iceberg. The real investment in developing new routes is human time and effort. More than a few people are willing to help put up a sport route 2 minutes from the car, on a cliff that has easy access to the top of the new route. But the process gets a little more "interesting" when you're hauling ropes, rack, cleaning tools, drill, hardware, food, water, and extra clothes up a few pitches, knowing you're going to be up there all day to scratch out one new pitch.
So-o-o-o, when ya wanna road trip to this neck of the woods again and lend a hand?
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