Buy some real pro!

Sport climbers like to travel light. For this reason they avoid the weighty things that trad climbers carry around like helmets, pro and bullshit excuses for not climbing hard.

Buy some real pro!

Sport climbers like to travel light. For this reason they avoid the weighty things that trad climbers carry around like helmets, pro and bullshit excuses for not climbing hard.

Sport climbers like to travel light. For this reason they avoid the weighty things that trad climbers carry around like helmets, pro and bullshit excuses for not climbing hard.

I thought the new trend was sport climbing ON "real pro". Examples are say cobra crack, Roddens .14d, anything climbed by Didier... You can't exactly call those trad climbs, and they are all on "real pro".

Thats a completely asinine statement. It's funny, most sport climbers don't climb hard either. Thing is, if you don't climb it all, you've missed the big picture.

and nothing will

i was sport climbing last week. no prob.

*goes into kitchen to make some popcorn*

But what do you do if the bolts aren't already there?

Sport climbers like to travel light. For this reason they avoid the weighty things that trad climbers carry around like helmets, pro and bullshit excuses for not climbing hard.

I climb sport to hone my skills for trad ... good practice to see where you are at. Tell me one climber that can climb harder in trad that they can in sport ...

In my mind saying that someones sport grade is harder than their trad grade is the same as saying that people redpoint harder than they onsight.

ok, so maybe it doesnt make much since. but basically if you are "working" a climb its sport climbing right. if you climb with a "must not fall" attitude you are trad climbing.
so if you are sport climbing (working a climb) you are going for a redpoint ascent.
I dunno, that could just be the beer talking again. And I usually don't get all caught up in the symantics; redpoint vs flash vs onsight, or trad vs sport vs bouldering. I just like to climb, and yes I am a n00b, so you can save the stfu and pftwhatever.

I just think that if your going to work a climb, on gear or on bolts, its sport climbing. I've taken a lot more falls on gear than on bolts, but if I pulled all the gear and tried to climb it again I wouldn't consider it a traditional climb. The term redpoint just doesn't make sense when refering to a trad climb to me.

wow.. i just wanted to see what people said in response to my silly post..... I actually sport climb myself, although I much prefer trad and alpine. Hafilax... if the bolts arent there and you are placing them on lead I consider it trad...... if you rap bolt it, its sport climbing... hanging on hooks is aid... you have to be hanging on.

no, I'm not confused at all, although I'm sure i come across fairly confusing. basically I don't distinguish between "trad" and "sport" on the basis of whether there are bolts on the route or not.
The reasoning is that in the Willamette valley there are a lot of "trad" climbs with a couple of bolts in the hard to protect sections. A lot of these are on really hard climbs that might take a redpoint effort to climb. So if I have to work the moves, I usually refer to it as a sport climb. If I can climb it cleanly on my first or second attempt, whether I clip the bolts or not, I usually refer to it as a traditional climb.
so I yes you are right there is a redpoint traditional ascent, I just don't usually climb that way. I'm not big into redpoint attempts.

bolts do not a sport climb make

I climb sport to hone my skills for trad ...

good practice to see where you are at. Tell me one climber that can climb harder in trad that they can in sport ...

So if I have to work the moves, I usually refer to it as a sport climb. If I can climb it cleanly on my first or second attempt, whether I clip the bolts or not, I usually refer to it as a traditional climb

Tell me one climber that can climb harder in trad that they can in sport ...

If you are spurt climbing in order to get stronger on trad, you are cheating.



Almost all climbers, before 1980 kicked in.

In both consistency and onsight and absolute hardest. I climb trad harder than sport.

Sorry to be contrary.

Nice! Have you climbed sport much? Just asking? Usually, you can push harder in sport due to not having to take the time to place gear. You don't burn so much, and can push yourself harder. Plus, you are more at ease when peeling due to a solid bolt is not as questionable as what looks like a good placed piece. It is in the head ... but that is just me, I guess.

I also trust my jams.

It's all about practice.

I have comprehensive proof as to why it's not real climbing.

could I see/hear said proof? just curious.

Almost all climbers, before 1980 kicked in.

I have not climbed as much sport as trad ...

Wish I could say that! Maybe I'd have a different outlook on this subject. I love a good jam.

Peace!

Cheating? lol ... the first climbers had no gear but what is natural. Do you use gear?

Wish I could say that! Maybe I'd have a different outlook on this subject. I love a good jam.

Homemade Blackberry is my favorite!

Why you always such a lamer, sty?
Come on, a'body knows rasps would tan blackberry any day.

i iz a product of my childhood. A childhood with many the summer days spend picking blackberries along the creek that ran in front of the house.

Blackberries muthafukkin rock, buddy. Raspberries can't hold a candle to wild blackberries. Never have, never will.

Now then... STFU, berry n00b!

You bought the tr011! nah, I like rasps but they are to... genereic, no... I know, they are too common- like, nothing special occasion about them. Same with strawberries, though it would rock when we would pick them and my mum would make jam with giant bits of berry in them, like whole strawberries and stuff. Couldn't have a sammich, had to be on one slice- the bits were just too big.

I like all berries, but sometimes I have a bit of a craving for Halle Berry in particular... then I remember she's technically old enough to be my mom and the craving subsides.

I think a real man should be able to enjoy any jam on some level. Only assholes eat marmalade though.

This thread started off pretty stupid, but I feel like we're really making progress in advancing the development sport climbing now.

I think a real man should be able to enjoy any jam... we're really making progress in advancing the development sport climbing now.

Sport climbers don't jam, n00b!

Comment on the vegemite or stfu!

Sport climbers don't jam, n00b!

Comment on the vegemite or stfu!

I said that a real man should enjoy any jam. I don't recall saying anywhere that sport climbers were real men.

I'm a 'Merican, we don't eat that shit.

ill stick with my top roping.

could I see/hear said proof? just curious.

If the back of your hand touches the rock, it's not climbing

Or is there a better word for "jambing your hands and feet in a crack and working your way up" than climbing?

I thought the new trend was sport climbing ON "real pro". Examples are say cobra crack, Roddens .14d, anything climbed by Didier... You can't exactly call those trad climbs, and they are all on "real pro".

Those are trad climbs.

"Grovelling."

Jay

P.S. It's "jamming," not "jambing."

Sport climbers like to travel light. For this reason they avoid the weighty things that trad climbers carry around like helmets, pro and bullshit excuses for not climbing hard.

"Grovelling."

Jay

P.S. It's "jamming," not "jambing."

Those are trad climbs (don't argue with a man that owns a pit of unknown depth)

Tell me one climber that can climb harder in trad that they can in sport ...

the OP was the 14 year old recommending a solo forum for people who climb without ropes....

not a free solo forum mind you.

P.S. It's "jamming," not "jambing."

Buy some real pro!

Suuurrreee it is...

I'm definetly not here to argue. I have 6 years of experience being a n00b and have no intention of quitting my n00b ways.
so he's right with out a doubt.
I just thought sport climbing was more about the trying a climb until redpoint (ie. cobra crack and roddens new 5.14), than about what type of pro (ie. bolts vs cams/nuts) used.
Clearly, and in the face of a pit of unknown depth, I was wrong. And am man enough, and afraid of the actual depth of previously mentioned pit, to admit it.