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when are u rdy to start lead climbing, the gym i currently attend offers a course to teach all the ins and out about the technical stuff/safety procedure but im not sure if im ready. Atm im climbing 5.9s easily and struggle on the 5.10s. The only thing is that the course is only offered once a month so wanted to get some experienced climbers' opinions before i take the plunge lol
thanks guys
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derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing...
not til u kan reed and rite.
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derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing, the gym i currently attend offers a course to teach all the ins and out about the technical stuff/safety procedure but im not sure if im ready. Atm im climbing 5.9s easily and struggle on the 5.10s. The only thing is that the course is only offered once a month so wanted to get some experienced climbers' opinions before i take the plunge lol thanks guys
How could taking the course be bad?
Just take it.
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curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt
respect my bro or else
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majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else
thanks for ur time
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derk424 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else i just don't understand why some of you guys are so harsh on these threads. You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects. and then you complain when people mess up your routes or annoy you when your out climbing, thats exactly why i asked the question here so i can be more knowledgeable out there, mind you i dont expect to learn everything from reading the core is just experience but all help is greatly appreciated. thanks for ur time
Do not worry about this jerk named " curt "
please continue and share your thoughts
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derk424 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else i just don't understand why some of you guys are so harsh on these threads. You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects. and then you complain when people mess up your routes or annoy you when your out climbing, thats exactly why i asked the question here so i can be more knowledgeable out there, mind you i dont expect to learn everything from reading the core is just experience but all help is greatly appreciated. thanks for ur time
When you don't sound like a total retard you may just get a response in kind.
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majid_sabet wrote: derk424 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else i just don't understand why some of you guys are so harsh on these threads. You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects. and then you complain when people mess up your routes or annoy you when your out climbing, thats exactly why i asked the question here so i can be more knowledgeable out there, mind you i dont expect to learn everything from reading the core is just experience but all help is greatly appreciated. thanks for ur time Do not worry about this jerk named " curt " please continue and share your thoughts
Careful there, Fruit Sorbet.
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curt wrote: derk424 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else i just don't understand why some of you guys are so harsh on these threads. You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects. and then you complain when people mess up your routes or annoy you when your out climbing, thats exactly why i asked the question here so i can be more knowledgeable out there, mind you i dont expect to learn everything from reading the core is just experience but all help is greatly appreciated. thanks for ur time When you don't sound like a total retard you may just get a response in kind. Curt
Don't worry Curt... I laughed 
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how many profiles does majid have?
probably 10 or so
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i'd say to go ahead and do it, unless there's something you'd lose doing it now rather than in a few months? if you do the course, learn what you need to learn, but don't put it into practice until you're ready there's no harm, i reckon.
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It has been my experience, as someone who has taught lead climbing in a gym setting, that experienced climbers get more out of such classes. If you are a beginner, and it sounds like you are, then you'll effectively be trying to learn to lead while you are trying to learn good technique. Do yourself a favor and focus on one. Also, how many 5.9s does your gym have to lead? Is it worth spending the time and money to learn to lead if your gym only has two lead routes within your ability? That said, if you've been styling 5.9s for years, and 5.10s are out of reach for strength reasons and not a lack of technique than take the class, but that doesn't sound like what's going on here.
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hyongx wrote: how many profiles does majid have? probably 10 or so
only one ID and that is the truth
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majid_sabet wrote: hyongx wrote: how many profiles does majid have? probably 10 or so only one ID and that is the truth
How many split personalities that have their own logins?
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spoon wrote: It has been my experience, as someone who has taught lead climbing in a gym setting, that experienced climbers get more out of such classes. If you are a beginner, and it sounds like you are, then you'll effectively be trying to learn to lead while you are trying to learn good technique. Do yourself a favor and focus on one. Also, how many 5.9s does your gym have to lead? Is it worth spending the time and money to learn to lead if your gym only has two lead routes within your ability? That said, if you've been styling 5.9s for years, and 5.10s are out of reach for strength reasons and not a lack of technique than take the class, but that doesn't sound like what's going on here.
Learning to lead is not a number thing. If you have lead climbs at your ability level in your gym, then why not take the class. I usually think it's better to have been climbing for about a year, but I have taught people who have been climbing a few months. Learning to lead is more about technical knowledge, decision making/judgement, risk management and your ability to be aware of your surroundings. It is impossible for us to tell if you're ready, since we don't know you. Some people pick it up very quickly and some people should probably never lead.
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derk424 or derka derka derka
let me tell u that u nevern eed course for that if u stand beneath a climb and size it accordingly and be true to urself u will be fine.
the rock will lead u, u dont lead rock.
please understand.
curt are u still hangin in the pacific pretending to know your sh*t or u want to keep smokin it for jeez
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Does your gym offer a technique class, too? Take that one, first.
As far as lead-climbing class, how hard you are able to climb is not an issue before taking a lead class-- unless your gym doesn't have anything easier than 5.10 on the lead routes.
You should be able to climb at least some routes on the lead wall easily before you try to learn to lead on the same wall, which is why some gyms say that you should be able to climb at least 5.X before taking the class.
Also, if you are not planning on climbing outside anytime soon, lead clas would be of rather limited use to you.
Best thing would be to talk to the person who is offering the class, explain your situation and your goals, and ask his opinion on whether the class would be useful for you right now, or whether it would be better to wait.
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spoon wrote: That said, if you've been styling 5.9s for years, and 5.10s are out of reach for strength reasons and not a lack of technique than take the class, but that doesn't sound like what's going on here.
To the OP: its good to get into leading earlier, but spoon was absolutly right, you have to set aside time for movement practice and keep advancing on your technique. I'm a little dubious about how much you learn from a lead course in a gym, but it probobly wouldn't hurt.
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You'll know when you're ready.
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majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else
DDT PMed
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Aceto wrote: derk424 or derka derka derka let me tell u that u nevern eed course for that if u stand beneath a climb and size it accordingly and be true to urself u will be fine. the rock will lead u, u dont lead rock. please understand.
Yeah, please understand, he's talking about a lead class in a gym.
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derk424 wrote: You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects.
EXCELLENT!
EXCELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT!
Your plan must be working curt.
DMT
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thanks for the responses guys and i think ill just wait till december to take the course since im still learning how to use and conserve energy efficiently/the different way to shift my weight and how to apply proper footwork and awareness. Plus my grip still needs more work cuz on the 5.10s i find my grip dying on some crimps, especially at some of the cruz moments of the course.
over the last month i started focusing on bouldering more and its really helped so ill just keep that up till i can get those 5.10s done on the top rope with ease.
ty again for ur time
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Well, on the one hand, if you're going to get turned off based on one response on a semi-anonymous internet forum, maybe a sport that allows you to "push your self [sic] to the limit" isn't for you...
Back on topic, though? You could benefit from the class right now - providing that (as blueeyedclimber mentioned above) there are enough routes at your level that you could lead in your gym - or better, you have someone experienced to help you translate what you've learned to real rock. If all the (gym) lead routes are above your ability, spend a bit more time on top rope before you bother.
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chossmonkey wrote: majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else That sounds like a threat of violence!! DDT PMed
you remember that soung
" you seen nothing yet"
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agreed. there's no harm in taking the class. if anything, you'll learn from it what you do need to work on. try lead climbing in a safe enviornment with trained people watching and helping. Then you'll know what to train for and what you need work on. and who knows, maybe you'll try lead climbing out and realize you are a natural at it. The only way to find out is to do it, and what better way than a supervised class?
go nuts dude, and climb on.
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derk424 wrote: i just don't understand why some of you guys are so harsh on these threads. You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects. and then you complain when people mess up your routes or annoy you when your out climbing, thats exactly why i asked the question ...
Our initiation ceremony is simple enough. The NOOB says, "I have a stupid question, but here it goes ...". We respond with some brand of, "Shut the fuck up, NOOB. And learn how to write in English."
Several cycles may be necessary, but you'll know that you've arrived when JT512 chimes in to tell you that you are an idiot, and that he climbs 5.12 in his slippers.
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i guess ill just keep working harder so i can get owned by jt512 lol.
ill let you guys know how the course goes im gonna take it when i climb 5.10s comfortably.
late
noob trying to learn more lol
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Better that it is pointed out that his communication style (mad skilz) causes him to be perceived as a retard in this environment as opposed to...oh I don't know...maybe when he tries to get a job.
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dude its a forum not a job application or a dissertation for that matter, so pardon me for not being as eloquent as some of the great writers of the time.
just responding in between class
kkthxby horibad riting ftl
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derk424 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else i just don't understand why some of you guys are so harsh on these threads. You turn off so many people to a sport thats really awesome and allows you to push your self to the limit in alot of aspects. and then you complain when people mess up your routes or annoy you when your out climbing, thats exactly why i asked the question here so i can be more knowledgeable out there, mind you i dont expect to learn everything from reading the core is just experience but all help is greatly appreciated. thanks for ur time
People are harsh because reading shit like that from illiterates is very painful. Painful to read and painful because it shows that there are way too many people who don't take their own words seriously enough to use all of the letters in them. Why the hell would anyone want to help you when you can't take a little extra time to learn to write and then make it easy for us to read what you have to say.
In other words, I didn't finish reading your post because it sucked and I did not understand any of it. What was your question?
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granite_grrl wrote: I'm a little dubious about how much you learn from a lead course in a gym, but it probobly wouldn't hurt.
That depends on your teacher. It's like going into REI to get some gear. You MIGHT get someone who has been climbing for 30 years OR you might get someone who just read a pamphlet out back that told him what a belay device is used for.
If gyms are smart (some are), however, they will choose wisely who they use to teach lead courses.
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Some people learn to climb on lead. I did this before there was a gym craze.
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Derk,
If you have friends that climb outdoors, who lead, and seem like
trustworthy people, a few trips with them will be worth quite a lot.
If you aren't shy of money, the class in the gym would be good too.
You aren't going to learn how to lead climb from one 3 hour class,
or one trip to the crag. It will just start the process.
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if you have doubts then i would say your not ready, that's referring to outside climbing. dont' picture it according to how much you can lead, picture whether or not you will feel capable if something goes wrong and your 70' off the deck.stay safe
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go for it, its more about your guts then your ability to climb. also make sure you have climbed out doors before too
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ive come to the conclusion that curt is a douchebag oops I might get grounded...
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like others have said...if your gym has even just a couple routes in the 5.9 and lower range that you can practice/learn on and there's a crag nearby then by all means go for it.
For me I have just had this desire to lead since my very first exposure to climbing (field trip when i was like 12). I don't know what it is...but I am so driven to leading.
If you want to take the time to work on technique I HIGHLY suggest the book "The Self-Coached Climber". I just sent my first 5.11d (I'll admit it was on top-rope, but i started all over again with every fall) yesterday and I've only been climbing for 3.5 months (not including that one field trip) and I owe a lot of that to the drills and theories presented in that invaluable book.
Bouldering helps you project/read routes much better, but I think doing laps would be more beneficial for you if you want to train the most efficiently for leading. The reason being that circuits get you used to working with a pump and dramatically increase your endurance over time. If you struggle at 5.10 as it is, leading it is going to be intense...just think of pausing taking slack and clipping all while having just 3 points on the wall....it's a huge change and one that, at first, will leaving you feeling pumped out and overwhelmed.
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derk424
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Ok first off I will be more concious of my writing style so that I don't offend anybody.
Second, I live in miami and at the moment cannot afford to take a trip out to climb outdoors, so my exposure to climbing is limited to just the gym.
Senate thanks for the book recommendadtion i had orderedb it about a week ago via amazon so it should be coming in very soon.
O and dave the original question was how do I know if I am ready to lead climb(indoors)? Currently I can climb 5.9s with ease and am sturggling on 5.10s mostly due to technique and lack of finger strength, but im sure those will get better with time. Side note- most of the lead routes are 5.10s, however there are some 5.9s.
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Much to passive and sensible, i suggest you two settle your differences with #10 Hexes. If you are going to hijack the thread, at least keep it entertaining.
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if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol.
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bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol.
Im sorry im rather new to this but what exactly do you mean by "grounded"?
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bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol.
Hangdogging doesn't count, weakmo.
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brownie710 wrote: if you have doubts then i would say your not ready, that's referring to outside climbing leading trad routes. dont' picture it according to how much you can lead, picture whether or not you will feel capable if something goes wrong and your 70' off the deck.stay safe
Fixed that for you, brownie 
Nothing wrong with him/her going climbing outside, but maybe staying off the sharp end is the prudent decision.
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well if its an lead indoor lesson to do sport you don't need to go out doors but why would you take an out door course if you didn't get to use any of the information
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your hilarious with all your short lame sport route ascents and boulder problems. get on some hard trad ya sissy.
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Hey Derk I would suggest an outdoor climbing school. Yosemite..Joushua tree are two and I know they are more. Indoor is good, the rating might fool you. Smooth granite smear or on a quartz knob, runout and so forth is much different. Take the class indoors....find one outdoors, learn anchoring..and feel comfortable. John Long books are good. Good luck with you adventure and don't let anyone talk you into anything that you know you are not ready for. |
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I plan on eventually going outdoors but I figured I'll give it a try next summer through my gym since they organize a trip. Plus by then my overall skill would have hopefully improved some. Lol
thanks for the replies guys
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Well heres a joshua tree cookie. grats YAY JOSHUA TREE woopee doo. noone cares seriously. one things for sure. you forgot any ounce of respect for new climbers. you got the attitude of the worst kind of yuppie stuck up climber there is. get a grip. woopee do youve been climbing for a long time and your good. yay. theres another cookie. later. hope you have an epic soon so maybe you can get some humility.
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majid_sabet wrote: curt wrote: derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing... not til u kan reed and rite. Curt respect my bro or else
Or else what? You'll immediately choke to death on a cock?
To the OP: nothing says retard like text message shorthand on an online forum. You have a keyboard, use it.
To Curt: +1, I laughed.
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curt
Oct 2, 2008, 5:13 AM
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bradley3297 wrote: Well heres a joshua tree cookie. grats YAY JOSHUA TREE woopee doo. noone cares seriously. one things for sure. you forgot any ounce of respect for new climbers. you got the attitude of the worst kind of yuppie stuck up climber there is. get a grip. woopee do youve been climbing for a long time and your good. yay. theres another cookie. later. hope you have an epic soon so maybe you can get some humility.
Listen, you snivelling little ass-grommet, I've seen a few epics in my day--and somehow managed to survive them. I also happen to have a lot of respect for most new climbers and, in fact, I've taught quite a few of them how to climb. What I have no time or respect for are asswipe poseurs like you who actually think they have anything of value to say. Sorry, but you don't. Also, if you want my respect, you'll have to try a whole lot harder, bitch.
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derk424
Oct 2, 2008, 5:36 AM
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In reply to: To the OP: nothing says retard like text message shorthand on an online forum. You have a keyboard, use it.
If you take a second and scroll down you would have seen that I quickly readjusted and apologized for my short hand. Next time instead of instantly jumping on curt's dick, no disrespect to you curt, read the whole post.
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curt wrote: bradley3297 wrote: Well heres a joshua tree cookie. grats YAY JOSHUA TREE woopee doo. noone cares seriously. one things for sure. you forgot any ounce of respect for new climbers. you got the attitude of the worst kind of yuppie stuck up climber there is. get a grip. woopee do youve been climbing for a long time and your good. yay. theres another cookie. later. hope you have an epic soon so maybe you can get some humility. Listen, you snivelling little ass-grommet, I've seen a few epics in my day--and somehow managed to survive them. I also happen to have a lot of respect for most new climbers and, in fact, I've taught quite a few of them how to climb. What I have no time or respect for are asswipe poseurs like you who actually think they have anything of value to say. Sorry, but you don't. Also, if you want my respect, you'll have to try a whole lot harder, bitch. Curt
WOW!! So is sue still running a climbing guide service at J-tree? I haven't talked to her in years!! If you know her, tell her hank said hi. (hank and shelly) You guys will get a good laugh over me I'm sure. She was great to climb with. I knew her before she started the guide service.
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Oct 2, 2008, 6:07 AM
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yep exactly. enjoy being a dick.
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curt
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bradley3297 wrote: yep exactly. enjoy being a dick.
Similarly, enjoy being completely irrelevant in a community in which you seemingly wish to participate.
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Now, that's more like it. Go you good things. Kick, punch bite and scratch.
Knievel, curt seems to be doing ok, lets just let he and Bradley have at it.
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derk424 wrote: In reply to: To the OP: nothing says retard like text message shorthand on an online forum. You have a keyboard, use it. If you take a second and scroll down you would have seen that I quickly readjusted and apologized for my short hand. Next time instead of instantly jumping on curt's dick, no disrespect to you curt, read the whole post.
*yawn* Props for getting your typing game together.
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curt wrote: bradley3297 wrote: yep exactly. enjoy being a dick. Similarly, enjoy being completely irrelevant in a community in which you seemingly wish to participate. Curt
Hey, I resent that! What's so bad about being irrelevant? Me and my climbing are never going to set any milestones for anyone but me. And that's 100% fine in my book. Don't lump me in with the damn fools who can't even figure out how to ask a simple question.
Cheers!
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look at this guy. ego city. thinks he decides whos relevant in the climbing community.lol. you seem to like reinforcing my points. thanks you make this easy.
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curt wrote: bradley3297 wrote: Well heres a joshua tree cookie. grats YAY JOSHUA TREE woopee doo. noone cares seriously. one things for sure. you forgot any ounce of respect for new climbers. you got the attitude of the worst kind of yuppie stuck up climber there is. get a grip. woopee do youve been climbing for a long time and your good. yay. theres another cookie. later. hope you have an epic soon so maybe you can get some humility. Listen, you snivelling little ass-grommet, I've seen a few epics in my day--and somehow managed to survive them. I also happen to have a lot of respect for most new climbers and, in fact, I've taught quite a few of them how to climb. What I have no time or respect for are asswipe poseurs like you who actually think they have anything of value to say. Sorry, but you don't. Also, if you want my respect, you'll have to try a whole lot harder, bitch. Curt
Actually I wouldn't put Curt on "0"
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blueeyedclimber wrote: It is impossible for us to tell if you're ready, since we don't know you. Some people pick it up very quickly and some people should probably never lead. Josh
That is absolutely correct.
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The question is not whether your ready to lead but rather at what level you are ready to lead. pick something well within your capabilities as a climber and move on from there.
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derk424 wrote: I plan on eventually going outdoors but I figured I'll give it a try next summer through my gym since they organize a trip. Plus by then my overall skill would have hopefully improved some. Lol thanks for the replies guys
Personally i'd say you should try leading sooner rather than later, if it's something you're interested in doing, why delay it? in my opinion, the best thing to do is either take a lesson at your local gym, or just find a guide (or a knowledgeable and trustworthy partner) and go for it. Why have the regret of wondering why you waited so long?
I found that i became a much better and less sloppy climber when i started leading, as opposed to depending on the top rope to send harder routes. You may as well learn to lead now, spend the winter refining your skills, and having some real fun next summer outdoors :)
I was at about the same level when i started - could do almost any 5.9 that was thrown at me (my gym's gradings anyway), and struggled my way up some 5.10s.
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derk424
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Thanks neel, Luckily for me today I was shooting pool with some friends and found out one of their close friends works at my rock climbing gym and heoffered to mentor me. So hopefully my skill will improve over the next few months.
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mecalekahi-mekahidyho wrote: Bradley-1 Curt-0
You and Bradley are a perfect match. I can hear his balls slapping against your chin from here.
Curt
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bradley3297 wrote: one things for sure. you forgot any ounce of respect for new climbers.
Until them STFU n00b!!!!
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mecalekahi-mekahidyho wrote: Bradley-1 Curt-0
Perhaps its time to cull the n00bs again?
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derk424 wrote: when are u rdy to start lead climbing, the gym i currently attend offers a course to teach all the ins and out about the technical stuff/safety procedure but im not sure if im ready. Atm im climbing 5.9s easily and struggle on the 5.10s. The only thing is that the course is only offered once a month so wanted to get some experienced climbers' opinions before i take the plunge lol thanks guys
Since I feel like wasting time this morning and want to hear myself type - it's quite in the office this morning, I will respond....
Take the class, go for it. I started leading before I was confident on 5.8. I took the class "thinking" I could lead a 5.9 even though I never had, I had only been back into climbing after years off for a few weeks.
I learned quick and was leading and climbing outdoors the next week. I stayed at my grade 5.7 and occasionally got on a 5.8 but stayed away from the 5.9's at first.
In my opinion it is never to early as long as you stay in your comfort zone. Many will tell you, don't lead until you can climb 5.9. Many gyms have this rule which is more likely for liability reasons.
So go for it man, take the class, have fun and open yourself up to a whole new world of climbing. Before you know it you will be on the sharp end placing your own gear too.
When I started climbing I had told myself I would never sport climb, then I realized all the crags didn't have top rope access so I had to learn it. Then I said I would never trad climb, then I realized that all the good climbing was trad. :) Your dirtbag life is just beginning my friend. Climb on.
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Oct 3, 2008, 11:05 PM
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first off. i climb for myself. i really dont care how good you or curt are. all your bullshit respect talk means nothing to me. I respect new people who need advice on climbing. I have my own personal goals and if i get to a high level in climbing great. if not oh well.
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Curt called that dude 'fruit sorbet'. That's so funny.
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I would say there is no defining "moment" that makes you ready to lead climb. If you climb 5.9 just fine are you cool with leading 5.6? If so then go for it. Leading is a whole new adventure and I think it changes the world of climbing for you.
I learned to climb outdoors and started lead climbing after 3 months. I quickly started leading at my limit and started falling (sport climbing). 9 months after I started climbing I was trad leading.
Other people I know started trad leading within a month or two of learning to climb. I also know a guy who does 5.12/5.13 on TR but he doesn't lead... anything at all...
Just be safe about it and take it slow. Realize that you can downclimb, that just because you start leading doesn't mean you always have to lead.
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bradley3297 wrote: first off. i climb for myself. i really dont care how good you or curt are. all your bullshit respect talk means nothing to me.
You're no different from hundreds of other untalented and loudmouth fucktards who come here to RC.com, take a huge stinking crap in our nice little back yard and then leave.
bradley3297 wrote: I respect new people who need advice on climbing.
Hopefully, for their sake, they'll never take any advice from you.
bradley3297 wrote: I have my own personal goals and if i get to a high level in climbing great. if not oh well.
Well, if you keep setting the bar low enough, I'm confident you can reach those goals. You may even advance from fully incompetent to numbingly mediocre.
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bradley3297
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im done arguing with you. youre just a egotistical ahole with a god complex. later.
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bradley3297 wrote: im done arguing with you. youre just a egotistical ahole with a god complex. later.
We were never arguing--I was simply explaining things to you.
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bradley3297 wrote: im done arguing with you.
First smart thing you've said.
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stock exchange. investment banking. semiconductor materials lab. you are a yuppie climber as i thought. explains alot. ima stay here in squamish and hang with my dirtbags.
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success is fine. yet it seems to have gone to your head. its ok though seems to be a genetic defect of successful americans .
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Pffft...your country is nothing more than 33 million people crammed as close to the American border as sanitation will permit.
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bradley3297
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and your country is 250 million people crammed along the ocean going way beyond the bounds of sanitation....
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bradley3297 wrote: and your country is 250 million people crammed along the ocean going way beyond the bounds of sanitation....
So, you can't count either. Is there anything you don't suck at?
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bradley3297
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ew 51 139 947 million people to add to your sanitation issues since i last checked.
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bradley3297 wrote: im done arguing with you. youre just a egotistical ahole with a god complex. later.
Make up your mind.
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ya i know. but this is just too much fun.
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Hey fellow noobs, let's search threads and find out where curt climbs and rap down right next to him and bird dog the shit out of him while he's leading.
Wait a minute . . . . 12,964 post count , . . . . forget it, he spends most of his time climbing the key board.
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You'd look damned funny rapping down next to curt to make fun of him.
I don't think it would work.
You know what I like and admire about curt?
The man knows what he's talking about AND he's spare with words - a rare gift.
Like he gut ole bradley up there with one fell sentence - BOOM! Like an executioner.
It wasn't pretty. But its usually funny!
Ka CHA! (sound of the singing blade)
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dingus wrote: You'd look damned funny rapping down next to curt to make fun of him.
dingus wrote: It wasn't pretty. But its usually funny!
I don't think Curt will argue with the fact he's a little big-headed, though. but why not, right?
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Big headed? I hadn't noticed.
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dingus wrote: Big headed? I hadn't noticed. DMT
Maybe big-headed is the wrong word, and it's mostly joking but the comments like "success is foreign to you" kinda require someone to see themselves above the other person to use, know what I mean.
Not that I'm saying he's not above the other dude (sorry noobie guy), but he doesn't seem to mind saying it.
Niether would I- but how could I? I live with my parents, and I don't even have a bedroom. Or a bed. (Alpkit fatairic for the win!).
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dingus
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E's not 'uman mate. That's the rub. Elvish I suspect but quien sabe????? I bet he walks ON the snow, nawmean?
Nevertheless, noobs need to know, curt is one of the 'playahs' in this sport. Give the man his due - he was cranking hard way before these children were born - literally, and will still wipe the floor with their asses.
I do appreciate one curt theme though - that old school blunt frankness about *actual* climbing ability - blunt and unforgiving, just like gravity.
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dingus wrote: E's not 'uman mate. That's the rub. Elvish I suspect but quien sabe????? I bet he walks ON the snow, nawmean?
dingus wrote: Nevertheless, noobs need to know, curt is one of the 'playahs' in this sport. Give the man his due - he was cranking hard way before these children were born - literally, and will still wipe the floor with their asses.
dingus wrote: I do appreciate one curt theme though - that old school blunt frankness about *actual* climbing ability - blunt and unforgiving, just like gravity
I gots no beef with Curt, but I could see why some people would find it a little off putting to get crushed on their first few posts. rc.com's version of survival of the fittest? survival of the stubbornist?
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In the Ancient World we had Wreck Dot Climbing and verily lived the Balrog Lord Slime. Lord Slime was like Morgoth to curt's sauron, dude. And you couldn't edit or moderate the flames in those days!
I know, kids these days got it easy.
Anyway, there was this saying.... if ya think getting flamed by Lord Slime is tough, wait till Gravity gets a hold of ya!
Hehe.
Gravity.
But that was in a different age. The children of Men here are coddled and quite unused to a rude slap in the virtual chops - boo YAH!
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dingus wrote: . . .But that was in a different age. The children of Men here are coddled and quite unused to a rude slap in the virtual chops - boo YAH!
I'm old enough to remember when message boards were a new thing. And I wasn't on a climbing board back then, but I seen the birth of the keyboard warrior. It has since become somewhat shallow to be a ten foot tall and bullet proof flamer on a message board. It's pretty juvenile. Having said all of that, I think the best flame is to catch someone saying something inaccurate, and above their knowledge, and bust them out like an attorney, by using clean facts, spruced up with some condescending adjectives, maybe a brief flame at the end of it all. This shouldn't be hard to do, out of 78K members, there's bound to be some pretenders.
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Well, I can see my work here is done...
Curt
<rides off into the sunset>
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Me and my wife could cook you, and whoever else up a nice meal and have a grand time of it all; even if we weren't the best climbers. After all, as campers, we do have a few hundred dollars worth of cast iron cookware and all the groceries to go with it.
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Sounds good to me. Are coquilles st. jacques out of the question?
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No is isn't out of the question, our dutchovens will cook that. We're not westcoasters tho, you'll have to come to Sam's throne in Arkansas to be served.
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well i would just go ahead and take the class, but a problem i see would be:
- if you barely climb 10's on toprope then there really aren't many climbs left below your limit for leads (my gym has around three .9s for leading, and alot more harder ones) and you want to be comfortable with the climbng when you're new to leading so you can focus on safety..while you hang on a few seconds longer to clip the rope (ex: no heal behind rope, no backcliping, relaxing, and clipping draws to bolts correctly)
but anyways, just do it whenever you feel comfortable. You're instructor will of course be better at determining your comfort level than any of us here on the internet...
Lead On Sherpa!
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Hey everyone I finally just said F*** it and went for the lead course today. The experience was awesome i learned how to avoid all the critical mistakes(backclipping,foot faulting, z clipping etc) and got a good intro to outdoor leading and all the different forms of equipment and situations that can arise.(HUGE side note i do not plan on outdoor leading for a very long time, for several reasons. So hold off on the flaming haha.)
My instructor also went over some crazy horror stories of climbers who have fallen victim to the aforementioned mistakes.
Moral of the story, I learned the basics and am going to practice on top rope for a few weeks and then take my certification exam. wish me luck.
O and thanks for all the comments! =)
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Quick question yesterday i went into the climbing gym and while i was there i was able to work with some of the more experienced guys(ones leading 5.12s-5.13) they advised me that once u hit 5.10s and above its almost a given to invest in a pair of climbing shoes since rentals just wont be able to provide the same support?(gym uses la sportiva/evolv/5.10 rental line shoes and i was looking at evolv's defy for my first shoe) What are your thoughts? Thanks sorry if the question has been asked.
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It's probably the single most asked question, but I'll still answer it for you.
Yes, once you start doing harder things buy a nice pair of shoes (the best ones are the ones that fit your foot best. All rubber is sticky. Best fit does not necessarily mean most comfortable, but more gives you best performance.
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derk424
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Thanks man i've already looked into down-sizing and the way that a good shoes supposed to arc your foot so that your able to climb more aggressive walls. Now all i have to do is get enough money to buy a pair.
O on a side note reason for choosing the defys is because evolve had a shoe demo at my gym, so i've got some experience with them and the optimus series. However im not going to go all out on my first shoe since will probably destroy them in learning how to better use my feet.(i'm practicing alot of glued hands and silent feet at the moment and its really helping)
o to add to my above on the shoe question reason why came up was yesterday practicing mock leading i slipped at least 3 times clipping and i was in a solid spot for the clip.(instructor was guiding me as to where best position my body for each clip. the hardest one i experienced was clipping from a one finger pocket while using a drop knee and flagging my other leg...terrible lol )
thanks again guys all comments help even the ones saying im a NOOBZORS lol sorry couldn't resist!
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bradley3297
Oct 12, 2008, 2:12 AM
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after all your to the point sniper like comments to me i came upon a quote that sums you up to the tee. thought of you when i read it.
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
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tradrenn
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bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol.
No you don't.
Last time you did a mixed route, you fell off it about 8 times and on your way down you yelled "falling" but ended grabbing a draw, which is a big no no. If you keep doing that you will dislocate your shoulder and once you do that your shoulder will never be the same.
Bye bye climbing.
Last time you did a 10d on gear you royally fucked it up in the first 12 feet and you bail off of it and I had to show you how it's done.
I'm not going to hide that if not the fact that you bailed off of it I wouldn't try to lead a 10d on gear.
Why do you call yourself a 5.11 climber is beyond me.
derk424 wrote: bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol. Im sorry im rather new to this but what exactly do you mean by "grounded"?
Grounded: as in that he only has 26 ascents this year, now have a look at my climbing log.
bradley3297 wrote: your hilarious with all your short lame sport route ascents and boulder problems. get on some hard trad ya sissy.
You obviously never seen his "climbing resume" now have you?
bradley3297 wrote: all your bullshit respect talk means nothing to me.
That is one thing that I noticed about you. In general you have no respect for anybody.
bradley3297 wrote: after all your to the point sniper like comments to me i came upon a quote that sums you up to the tee. thought of you when i read it. "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
Are you fucken done or what ?
Have a nice life Bradley.
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bradley3297
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lol. youre one to talk. seeing as how i havent climbed with you since the start of the season how could you have any idea of how i am climbing. and that mixed route is my project . not that you have enough balls to get on anything you might fall on. youve been climbing 6 years and your a gunshy pussy who climbs 5.8 to 5.9. i could care less about youre ability but if you want to talk about mine. trust me after 4 more seasons of climbing ill be leaving youre ass in the dust. now excuse me i have some real climbers to go climb with. have fun on the lame ass choss routes you like so much.
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bradley3297
Oct 12, 2008, 5:48 AM
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oh yeah . i dont post lame ass ascents. anything below 10a doesnt even go in the log book. the only climbs i put in there is pitches at the top of my ability so i can keep track of my upward progress.
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sungam
Oct 12, 2008, 1:20 PM
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Huh, well I guess I'm down to one KF'd user then.
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the_leech
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chossmonkey wrote: Perhaps its time to cull the n00bs again?
It's an ongoing process.
Stay vigilant.
And never give up the fight, my brother.
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tradrenn
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sungam wrote: Huh, well I guess I'm down to one KF'd user then.
WTF is KF'd user ?
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curt
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bradley3297 wrote: "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
Of course if you actually can't, they're just blowing sunshine up your skirt and misleading you.
Curt
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bradley3297
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what makes you a fool is all your so called knowledge of people you dont know. thanks for telling me what i am capable of.
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tradrenn wrote: sungam wrote: Huh, well I guess I'm down to one KF'd user then. WTF is KF'd user ?
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derk424
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curt wrote: bradley3297 wrote: "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."Of course if you actually can't, they're just blowing sunshine up your skirt and misleading you. Curt
Simply great. Also they could just be looking for a laugh when you try a course and eat it face first into the wall. Actually on friday saw some guy giving a new guy some lesson and this kid falls and unlike most smart individuals who put their feet up. this guy just lets his whole body drag against the wall his face hit at least 3 or 4 pieces...idiot.
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dingus wrote: Big headed? I hadn't noticed. DMT
It was more noticeable when he had hair.
Jay
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derk424 wrote: Hey everyone I finally just said F*** it and went for the lead course today. The experience was awesome i learned how to avoid all the critical mistakes(backclipping,foot faulting, z clipping etc) and got a good intro to outdoor leading and all the different forms of equipment and situations that can arise.(HUGE side note i do not plan on outdoor leading for a very long time, for several reasons. So hold off on the flaming haha.) My instructor also went over some crazy horror stories of climbers who have fallen victim to the aforementioned mistakes. Moral of the story, I learned the basics and am going to practice on top rope for a few weeks and then take my certification exam. wish me luck.
"Certification exam"? That's a bit grandiose for a gym lead test, don't you think? The last time I took something called a "certification exam" it required four years of college, a trip to the state capital, and two-and-a-half days of written tests.
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jt512 wrote: dingus wrote: Big headed? I hadn't noticed. DMT It was more noticeable when he had hair. Jay
YOU would have to be a foot taller to even see the top of my head.
Curt
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derk424
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jt512 wrote: derk424 wrote: Hey everyone I finally just said F*** it and went for the lead course today. The experience was awesome i learned how to avoid all the critical mistakes(backclipping,foot faulting, z clipping etc) and got a good intro to outdoor leading and all the different forms of equipment and situations that can arise.(HUGE side note i do not plan on outdoor leading for a very long time, for several reasons. So hold off on the flaming haha.) My instructor also went over some crazy horror stories of climbers who have fallen victim to the aforementioned mistakes. Moral of the story, I learned the basics and am going to practice on top rope for a few weeks and then take my certification exam. wish me luck. "Certification exam"? That's a bit grandiose for a gym lead test, don't you think? The last time I took something called a "certification exam" it required four years of college, a trip to the state capital, and two-and-a-half days of written tests. Jay
Ha. First, i get flamed for not being eloquent in my writing style and then when i use the word certification i still get wrecked. I'll never be able to win.
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learning to lead is not that hard...i cant pull 5 10 but have lead pleanty of sport routes outside......gym lead climbing is limiting and almost eliteist due to the generally super hard leads available....real lead climbing is not like that .....take the class, pick up some tips and take it to the rock .....i promise you its not something you have to wait to do.....the numbers game is bull shit any way some gyms i can climb 5.9 ish and v2s no problem...others i cant pull 5.7's or a single v1...same goes out doors.......the quicker you learn the skills to lead safely ...and tricks to retreating with out leaving gear...the better off u will be..........get a rope, some draws and drag someone to a sport crag with you......beside not back clipping(which is super important) you will learn as you go......take a lead whipper or two and you'll wonder why you thought it was a big deal
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sungam wrote: tradrenn wrote: sungam wrote: Huh, well I guess I'm down to one KF'd user then. WTF is KF'd user ? Killfile.
That is korrect.
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Oct 14, 2008, 1:58 AM
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tradrenn wrote: bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol. No you don't. Last time you did a mixed route, you fell off it about 8 times and on your way down you yelled "falling" but ended grabbing a draw, which is a big no no. If you keep doing that you will dislocate your shoulder and once you do that your shoulder will never be the same. Bye bye climbing. Last time you did a 10d on gear you royally fucked it up in the first 12 feet and you bail off of it and I had to show you how it's done. I'm not going to hide that if not the fact that you bailed off of it I wouldn't try to lead a 10d on gear. Why do you call yourself a 5.11 climber is beyond me.
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bradley3297
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oh i know he can climb harder. thats my point. hes a good climber with a weak mind. climbing way below his potential. hence the gunshy pussy remark.
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tradrenn wrote: bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol. No you don't. Last time you did a mixed route, you fell off it about 8 times and on your way down you yelled "falling" but ended grabbing a draw, which is a big no no. If you keep doing that you will dislocate your shoulder...
(not hotlinked, just in case someone has a weak stomach)
Edit: full story, w/ the pics, here
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Oct 14, 2008, 3:07 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: tradrenn wrote: bradley3297 wrote: if leading 11s after one season of climbing is grounded then i guess so lol. No you don't. Last time you did a mixed route, you fell off it about 8 times and on your way down you yelled "falling" but ended grabbing a draw, which is a big no no. If you keep doing that you will dislocate your shoulder...
(not hotlinked, just in case someone has a weak stomach)
Edit: full story, w/ the pics, here
Yep, that would suck.
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Oct 14, 2008, 4:26 PM
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bradley3297 wrote: oh i know he can climb harder. thats my point. hes a good climber with a weak mind. climbing way below his potential. hence the gunshy pussy remark.
Not just he "can" climb harder, apparently he actually does:
happiegrrl wrote: I have ... seen him climb hard routes
Bradley, at the rate you keep digging yourself in deeper, it'd probably be best to give it a rest and move on.
GO
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bradley3297 wrote: oh i know he can climb harder. thats my point. hes a good climber with a weak mind. climbing way below his potential. hence the gunshy pussy remark.
Well, there is a reason for that.
I was testing you (I told you in person what you did wrong) as a potential climbing partner and you have failed.
The same test goes for the rest of you people.
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Oct 18, 2008, 5:54 PM
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We all failed?
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sungam wrote: We all failed?
Nope. You misunderstood.
Considering that I get almost all of my climbing partners from this site (internet, internet) I need to test you to find out if you are OK and I think you should do the same.I don't think it is a wise idea to get a partner of internet and warm up on a 10b. That's all I'm saying.
Where about are you going to be around Xmass - New Year ?
I'm working on a Jtree trip, Dec 24 till Jan 5.
You game ?
V.
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Booked  with my only definite plans. Xmas with a lady in NC and new years at Ourey.
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Welcome to the club
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