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carabiner96


Dec 7, 2014, 9:24 PM
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lena_chita wrote:
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And speaking of you, Mrs. Bailbiner, a certain John guy is really trying to get you to come out here in spring. He asked for my help in convincing you. Come on now, no bailing!

Wait, which John guy? Not obsessive annoying John, I hope?

Gruppe-tawk?
Ah.


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carabiner96 wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
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lena_chita wrote:
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Leaving in one week for Western Roadtrip. If the forecast holds, we'll change our plans and hit the Creke instead of Hueco Tanks on our way to EPC North. All the pics from y'alls meetup just made me lose it a little.
Keep me posted, I could be persuaded to make bad decisions and good pie.

We're leaving Wed morning in a Prious that will be cramped, but over $400 less in gas money than my Taco de la Plata.

Two options:

1) bust south to Hueco Tanks. I'm really not too psyched on boulderingz at the moment, but it will be warmer, and that route has way more options for easy bivies and climbing along the way– HP40, Enchanted Rock, that sort of thang.

B) Do I-40 West, bivy/climb in Arkie, either HCR (more fun) or Mt. Magazine (right off the freeway), climb/bivy at the Wichitas in Okie, then easy days drive from their to the Creek.

Third) Just run the standard I-70 gauntlet. Colder, no climbing and pain in the ass bivies the whole way, possibility of bad weather over the Rockies, but quickest route to the Creek.

We'll see. Either way, we want to make it to EPC North by like a week from Monday or so. There is also the possiblity of doing some stuff in noiZ; hey Trashie, any chance of crashing/ cuyting your rope?

Sigh... I wish I were in shape for noiZ. That was so much fun.

Keep in touch, I'm sure I'll see you guys.

Ewe could of had a waaay moar BETter tyme in noiZ if Dan hadn't been such a "I don't want to climb teh cracks" wuss.

...or if you weren't such cold-sensitive fraidy-cat bailer.
wait - eye iz nawt the only bail Biner?!?

Okay, here's teh story...Dan teh "I'm-knot-climbing-cracks-this-week-purist" woodn't come up to teh land of milk-honey-and-sunshine for some glory roots in teh park proper. Instead he wanted to post hole up Kolob for a couple of frigid bolt clipping laps. I bailed on that fore obvious reasons and teh won who should have been bailing was Lena on teh Dan.

That's a lot of words to confirm that you bailed.

'biner, as you see, you are knot alone.

And speaking of you, Mrs. Bailbiner, a certain John guy is really trying to get you to come out here in spring. He asked for my help in convincing you. Come on now, no bailing!
one armed john or a creepee stalker I don't know ?

One-armed John. I didn't know about creepy John until canhead mentioned him.


granite_grrl


Dec 8, 2014, 3:31 AM
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lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
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climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.


carabiner96


Dec 8, 2014, 4:23 AM
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granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.
awkward.


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Dec 8, 2014, 4:55 AM
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granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?


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Dec 8, 2014, 3:34 PM
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climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue


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dr_feelgood


Dec 8, 2014, 4:14 PM
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Got a whopping 3 hours of sleep last night... despite being completely exhausted.

This should be fun.

Unimpressed


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Dec 8, 2014, 4:31 PM
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lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?


climbingtrash


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Got a whopping 3 hours of sleep last night... despite being completely exhausted.

This should be fun.

Unimpressed

Maybe ewe should try going to bed earlier? Teh thing about sleep iz, ewe kneed it.


dr_feelgood


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climbingtrash wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
Got a whopping 3 hours of sleep last night... despite being completely exhausted.

This should be fun.

Unimpressed

Maybe ewe should try going to bed earlier? Teh thing about sleep iz, ewe kneed it.

Oh, no, I attempted to sleep for 7 hours. Four of those were spent tossing and turning.

Luckily, our department has an industrial Bunn coffeemaker.


climbingtrash


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dr_feelgood wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
Got a whopping 3 hours of sleep last night... despite being completely exhausted.

This should be fun.

Unimpressed

Maybe ewe should try going to bed earlier? Teh thing about sleep iz, ewe kneed it.

Oh, no, I attempted to sleep for 7 hours. Four of those were spent tossing and turning.

Luckily, our department has an industrial Bunn coffeemaker.

OIC. That suxs. #cornpeanutconformation this morning BTW.


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lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

I had to do a lot of stuff like that for the book. Refer to areas such as, "the region that would later become Utah," that sort of thing.


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Dec 8, 2014, 6:44 PM
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climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.


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lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

I am friends with a number of Russian Jews who are American citizens now, but who were basically stateless people for a long time. It's sort of a weird legal status that is a giant pain.


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caughtinside wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

I am friends with a number of Russian Jews who are American citizens now, but who were basically stateless people for a long time. It's sort of a weird legal status that is a giant pain.

That is a bit different. The jews who were leaving Russia in the 80s, 90s, etc., they basically "gave up" their Soviet citizenship when they chose to leave, and were not really Soviet citizens anymore (a.k.a. Soviets took it away and kicked you out with "don't come back" advice). Then they went to (usually) Austria or Italy, and they they stayed in basically refugee camps, until either Israel or US granted them either citizenship (automatic, if you were going to Israel, and could prove that you were Jewish) or, if they wanted to go to US, they got a refugee status (preferred) or a "parole" (not as good), with the option of applying for green card and citizenship once they were in the US. Most people spent months in Vienna, but some were not lucky, and had a much longer wait, if there was anything complicated.

I didn't have to go through anything like that. I always had citizenship. But I was (still am) half Jewish/half-Armenian, never Russian or Georgian, regardless of what my passport said about my citizenship.

The passports there always had two rubrics: Citizenship (which is what you guys think of when you think Nationality, e.i. which country issues your passport) and Nationality (which would be called ethnicity here, if anybody bothered to record it in an official document). And nationality was very important.

I had been told, by very well-meaning people, how "lucky" it was that I was Armenian through father, and Jewish through mother. Because, since nationality was recorded through father, I could be Armenian in my passport in Soviet Union (not as bad as being Jewish), but if I ever decided to go to Israel-- bingo, I would be Jewish because of my mother. If it were reversed... Jewish father, Armenian mother... I'd be screwed in both places.

I got good at smiling and nodding.


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lena_chita wrote:
caughtinside wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

I am friends with a number of Russian Jews who are American citizens now, but who were basically stateless people for a long time. It's sort of a weird legal status that is a giant pain.

That is a bit different. The jews who were leaving Russia in the 80s, 90s, etc., they basically "gave up" their Soviet citizenship when they chose to leave, and were not really Soviet citizens anymore (a.k.a. Soviets took it away and kicked you out with "don't come back" advice). Then they went to (usually) Austria or Italy, and they they stayed in basically refugee camps, until either Israel or US granted them either citizenship (automatic, if you were going to Israel, and could prove that you were Jewish) or, if they wanted to go to US, they got a refugee status (preferred) or a "parole" (not as good), with the option of applying for green card and citizenship once they were in the US. Most people spent months in Vienna, but some were not lucky, and had a much longer wait, if there was anything complicated.

I didn't have to go through anything like that. I always had citizenship. But I was (still am) half Jewish/half-Armenian, never Russian or Georgian, regardless of what my passport said about my citizenship.

The passports there always had two rubrics: Citizenship (which is what you guys think of when you think Nationality, e.i. which country issues your passport) and Nationality (which would be called ethnicity here, if anybody bothered to record it in an official document). And nationality was very important.

I had been told, by very well-meaning people, how "lucky" it was that I was Armenian through father, and Jewish through mother. Because, since nationality was recorded through father, I could be Armenian in my passport in Soviet Union (not as bad as being Jewish), but if I ever decided to go to Israel-- bingo, I would be Jewish because of my mother. If it were reversed... Jewish father, Armenian mother... I'd be screwed in both places.

I got good at smiling and nodding.

So long story short...yore Armenian. Unimpressed


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lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

Homo sovietus?


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climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
caughtinside wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

I am friends with a number of Russian Jews who are American citizens now, but who were basically stateless people for a long time. It's sort of a weird legal status that is a giant pain.

That is a bit different. The jews who were leaving Russia in the 80s, 90s, etc., they basically "gave up" their Soviet citizenship when they chose to leave, and were not really Soviet citizens anymore (a.k.a. Soviets took it away and kicked you out with "don't come back" advice). Then they went to (usually) Austria or Italy, and they they stayed in basically refugee camps, until either Israel or US granted them either citizenship (automatic, if you were going to Israel, and could prove that you were Jewish) or, if they wanted to go to US, they got a refugee status (preferred) or a "parole" (not as good), with the option of applying for green card and citizenship once they were in the US. Most people spent months in Vienna, but some were not lucky, and had a much longer wait, if there was anything complicated.

I didn't have to go through anything like that. I always had citizenship. But I was (still am) half Jewish/half-Armenian, never Russian or Georgian, regardless of what my passport said about my citizenship.

The passports there always had two rubrics: Citizenship (which is what you guys think of when you think Nationality, e.i. which country issues your passport) and Nationality (which would be called ethnicity here, if anybody bothered to record it in an official document). And nationality was very important.

I had been told, by very well-meaning people, how "lucky" it was that I was Armenian through father, and Jewish through mother. Because, since nationality was recorded through father, I could be Armenian in my passport in Soviet Union (not as bad as being Jewish), but if I ever decided to go to Israel-- bingo, I would be Jewish because of my mother. If it were reversed... Jewish father, Armenian mother... I'd be screwed in both places.

I got good at smiling and nodding.

So long story short...yore Armenian. Unimpressed

half of me it.


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Dec 9, 2014, 4:42 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

Homo sovietus?

You can take a girl out of Russia... I mean, USSR... but you can't...

shit! I am a commie.


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And in other gnus, OMG, my legs!

My glutes. My quads. My adductors.

HURT!!!!

Weirdly enough, hamstrings and calves don't hurt. Or rather, hurt so little that they are unnoticeable over the other pain.

PT yesterday was brutal. For the first time since I started doing PT it felt like a workout, instead of just a collection of leisurely exercises, and not just a workout, the kind of workout that requires a shower afterwards.

I haven't had muscle soreness for so long, I forgot what it feels like.

Owww, awww, owww, ouch!

I suppose it is refreshing not to have the knee as my worst-hurting body part, for a change. But OMG, owww!


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G3rkz hyalite report.

Doc is teh weke.

Chossy flashed Northwest Passage.

G_G redpointed Strait(s) of Gibraltar.

Jasper was bored.

editing is weke. Like doc.


(This post was edited by dr_feelgood on Dec 10, 2014, 1:10 AM)


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dr_feelgood wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

Homo sovietus?

Zing?!


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Dec 10, 2014, 1:12 AM
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lena_chita wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
climbs4fun wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
camhead wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
Clammy ewe nevar revealed yore noiZ plans.

Shit, sorry. We're still trying to work out if we'll go the Creke or Hueco route, which will effect NoiZ plans.

Are you doing anything for Xmas? I'll definitely be around at that thyme.

Only thing I'm committed to fore Christmas is driving to teh land northward (U-tuh county) xmas eve day, spending teh night with teh folks, then back home xmas day. Don't have a lot of work lined up and moar than likely will have time that weak to do sum vertical nature hikes. Have ewe got my cell?

If you guys are nice and I don't have another roomy by then, you can pull up carpet in my guest room for a couple days. I think the Russian will be there too

Wait, you know some other Russians? :)

I thought you were Georgian.

There's a difference?

True story:

a few months ago Wobliver posted a link to some buzzfeed photo collection of photos of 'Russia from 100 years ago". Couple of them were of Georgia (and other places definitely not Russian). So I jokingly said, something like, haha, the caption of picture number X would get you punched in Tbilisi, it's definitely not Russia!

Someone questioned me about it, and we had a long discussion of whether a picture taken in India during the British domination time could be titled "photo of England from 100 years ago", or whether it would be more accurate to say "photo of the Princely States of India at the time of British Empire protectorate".

Wobliver just took offence, because he thought I was proposing to punch him.

But anyway, the answer for me is: not Russian. And not Georgian. Tongue

Because yore now an 'Merikin mutt like teh rest ov us?

Well, that too, yes, I am an American like the rest of you... (except for those two pesky Canadians)

but I meant no, as in, I would never be referred to as Russian OR Georgian in Russia or in Georgia, even though at some point I held those citizenships. Not even when I held Russian citizenship would anyone in Russia have ever called me Russian. Because there a statement such as "I am Georgian", or Russian, etc., refers to ethnicity, not nationality. And I am not ethnically either Russian, or Georgian.

Homo sovietus?

You can take a girl out of Russia... I mean, USSR... but you can't...

shit! I am a commie.

Ve have ways ov breaking ewe.


climbingtrash


Dec 10, 2014, 1:12 AM
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And in other gnus, OMG, my legs!

My glutes. My quads. My adductors.

HURT!!!!

Weirdly enough, hamstrings and calves don't hurt. Or rather, hurt so little that they are unnoticeable over the other pain.

PT yesterday was brutal. For the first time since I started doing PT it felt like a workout, instead of just a collection of leisurely exercises, and not just a workout, the kind of workout that requires a shower afterwards.

I haven't had muscle soreness for so long, I forgot what it feels like.

Owww, awww, owww, ouch!

I suppose it is refreshing not to have the knee as my worst-hurting body part, for a change. But OMG, owww!

suk it up Nancy!


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dr_feelgood wrote:
G3rkz hyalite report.

Doc is teh weke.

Chossy flashed Northwest Passage.

G_G redpointed Straits of Gibraltar.

Jasper was bored.

Even after awl that prep at teh Creke?

OIC wut ewe did there.


(This post was edited by climbingtrash on Dec 10, 2014, 3:13 AM)

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