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Great new video series done by Soulryders Adventure productions. This is just the first video of the series about Eric Hörst and his family of climbers. His kids are his kids are 10 and 13 and already climbing at 5.14a, the youngest children to do so. check out part one here
http://soulryders.com/horsts-episode-1/


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I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...


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roninthorne wrote:
I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...

You are a dick.


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roninthorne wrote:
I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...
I believe the forum where you can polish your being snarky skills is called The Campground.

Seriously, what's the point of a post like this?


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this shitty response is why people left the forum.
I read Horsts books and climb significantly smarter now. They are a benefit to the climbing world.


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roninthorne wrote:
I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...

hah I thought it was pretty funny. I reckon yall gym climbers never had a Horst ransack one of your small time crags for profit.


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cragmasterp wrote:
roninthorne wrote:
I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...

hah I thought it was pretty funny. I reckon yall gym climbers never had a Horst ransack one of your small time crags for profit.

it's funny cuz it's troo!


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Its kinda hard to ransack Yosemite.


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cragmasterp wrote:
roninthorne wrote:
I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...

hah I thought it was pretty funny. I reckon yall gym climbers never had a Horst ransack one of your small time crags for profit.

I haven't climbed at any of the small crags that are in Horst's VA, WV and MD guidebook, but I am curious, how did his guidebook publishing "ransacked" one of those small crags?
I can't imagine that climbers from OH started driving in droves to Old Rag, or whatever other local DC crag, with the publishing of this guidebook... It is still the local crag.
And it isn't like any of these crags were closed, there were online guides and topos and stuff like that, right?
Maybe some information is not accurate, I wouldn't know... but show me a completely accurate guidebook!

I just don't get the venom behind these comments...


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lena_chita wrote:
I just don't get the venom behind this comments...
I think he's jealous that he didn't think of the idea first; or maybe thought of it but was too lazy to do anything about it.


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Roninthorne can be a little "rough around the edges" however he may have reason to be bit cynical. He has helped develop and document some of our local crags and at one point had some online guides. His material found their way into Horst's book without any permission or attribution.


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naitch wrote:
Roninthorne can be a little "rough around the edges" however he may have reason to be bit cynical. He has helped develop and document some of our local crags and at one point had some online guides. His material found their way into Horst's book without any permission or attribution.

Sorry to see that. Horst has had some solid contributions, and I like the guy. Good to hear his kids are doing so well. Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?


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I giggled at Ronin's comment. Does that count? Tongue


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billcoe_ wrote:
Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.


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marc801 wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.
I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message.


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dr_feelgood wrote:
marc801 wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.
I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message.

Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events?


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Truthfully this is rather asinine; Roni's issues with Horst won't be solved or addressed by his posting here.

At most it's just a bit of attention seeking online drama that will provide us with some entertainment.

Hmmm, on second thought Roni's post was brilliant! Way to go Roni!


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chadnsc wrote:
Truthfully this is rather asinine; Roni's issues with Horst won't be solved or addressed by his posting here.

At most it's just a bit of attention seeking online drama that will provide us with some entertainment.

Hmmm, on second thought Roni's post was brilliant! Way to go Roni!

Too many people don't think about what they are doing. Much like avoiding buying products from China I also avoid buiying guidebooks from Falcon. They are generally quickly made to get the book on the market, and while some area might need that superior guidebooks are generally created by locals.

Maybe now that more people are aware they might spend their money differently.


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hyhuu wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
marc801 wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.
I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message.

Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events?

Sort of, but to complete the analogy - in this case the history writers also wouldn't bother to talk to peoplle who were there, visit the area or basically do anything beyond the most lightweight research before writing the "definitive" history.


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olderic wrote:
hyhuu wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
marc801 wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.
I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message.

Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events?

Sort of, but to complete the analogy - in this case the history writers also wouldn't bother to talk to peoplle who were there, visit the area or basically do anything beyond the most lightweight research before writing the "definitive" history.

So I'm assuming that information in the Falcon Guide is incorrect. But even if that was the case, what's the big deal? It's only rock and climbing. It's not like high school text books ... wait, never mind.


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As one of the people not knowing the backstory I fail to appreciate grievances expressed against Mr. Horst.

I noticed that some climbers on this and other forums usually like to have guidebooks for the unknown crags, object against having guidebooks for their home crags, plan to put together a real climber's guidebook for their own crags, but fail to do so on account of climbing a lot, and spending the rest of their time on interwebs.


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olderic wrote:
hyhuu wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
marc801 wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.
I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message.

Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events?

Sort of, but to complete the analogy - in this case the history writers also wouldn't bother to talk to peoplle who were there, visit the area or basically do anything beyond the most lightweight research before writing the "definitive" history.

If, as Naitch states, Ronin's "material found [sic] their way into Horst's book without any permission or attribution", then presumably the Falcon guide is just as authoritative as the original, and the issue is one of plagiarism/copyright violation rather than of validity/thoroughness.


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To follow up on the first episode itself, I wonder if Mr. Hörst will ever mention how hard he climbs. It's keeping me up at night.


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markc wrote:
To follow up on the first episode itself, I wonder if Mr. Hörst will ever mention how hard he climbs. It's keeping me up at night.
You really should get a hobby or something, like maybe rock climbing!
Wink


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marc801 wrote:
markc wrote:
To follow up on the first episode itself, I wonder if Mr. Hörst will ever mention how hard he climbs. It's keeping me up at night.
You really should get a hobby or something, like maybe rock climbing!
Wink

That's not a bad suggestion. I've hardly climbed this year. The two-year-old is cramping my style, but the bike commute keeps me in shape.

I don't know Eric Hörst from anyone, but he makes at least three references to how hard he pulls in a four minute video. If this was a drinking game and the video was twice as long, you'd need to go get your stomach pumped.


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markc wrote:
I don't know Eric Hörst from anyone, but he makes at least three references to how hard he pulls in a four minute video. If this was a drinking game and the video was twice as long, you'd need to go get your stomach pumped.
Well over on the Nicros site there;s a pic of him on the FA of a 13a/b in the New, he's a La Sportiva Climbing Ambassador for 18 years, and he wrote that How to Climb 5.12 book, so he seems reasonably accomplished. Agreed that 3 references in 4 minutes is quite a bit of spray, but not the worst we've seen by a long shot. Google for the rest of his bio.


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marc801 wrote:
markc wrote:
I don't know Eric Hörst from anyone, but he makes at least three references to how hard he pulls in a four minute video. If this was a drinking game and the video was twice as long, you'd need to go get your stomach pumped.
Well over on the Nicros site there;s a pic of him on the FA of a 13a/b in the New, he's a La Sportiva Climbing Ambassador for 18 years, and he wrote that How to Climb 5.12 book, so he seems reasonably accomplished. Agreed that 3 references in 4 minutes is quite a bit of spray, but not the worst we've seen by a long shot. Google for the rest of his bio.

There are a lot of reasonably accomplished people out there.


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Hahaha...I didn't realize that was two different marc's posting. Thought it was MarcC talking to himself for some unknown reason.


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I meant I'm vaguely familiar with him as a climbing figure, but don't have knowledge or strong opinion about him as a person. I'm mostly poking fun without being greatly bothered. I appreciate that self-promotion is part of the game.

Regarding having an argument with myself, it's entirely possible. I wouldn't bother with two accounts to do so. That would be a hassle.


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Hahaha...I didn't realize that was two different marc's posting. Thought it was MarcC talking to himself for some unknown reason.
Now you've really gone and confused things!
Yes, I've been known to talk to myself.
MarcC is the name I posted under when I used to post on gunks.com - does that site even still exist? Haven't been there in years ever since Evan went moderation idiotic in that Mohonk thread and I got fed up.
This markc fellow from Pennsylvania is someone that is not me.
Like him, I was only vaguely aware of (nor particularly cared about) Eric Horst - I only did a quick google for this thread.


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granite_grrl wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Truthfully this is rather asinine; Roni's issues with Horst won't be solved or addressed by his posting here.

At most it's just a bit of attention seeking online drama that will provide us with some entertainment.

Hmmm, on second thought Roni's post was brilliant! Way to go Roni!

Too many people don't think about what they are doing. Much like avoiding buying products from China I also avoid buiying guidebooks from Falcon. They are generally quickly made to get the book on the market, and while some area might need that superior guidebooks are generally created by locals.

Maybe now that more people are aware they might spend their money differently.

Who published the most recent Smith Rock guide book by Alan Watts?


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marc801 wrote:
MarcC is the name I posted under when I used to post on gunks.com....
This markc fellow from Pennsylvania is someone that is not me.


Well, that's funny, because all this time on rc.com, I assumed posts made by marcc was you(from Gunks.com).... I knew gunks marc listed Utahas location, and assumed the rc.com marc had an updated location


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happiegrrrl wrote:
marc801 wrote:
MarcC is the name I posted under when I used to post on gunks.com....
This markc fellow from Pennsylvania is someone that is not me.


Well, that's funny, because all this time on rc.com, I assumed posts made by marcc was you(from Gunks.com).... I knew gunks marc listed Utahas location, and assumed the rc.com marc had an updated location
But there is only one post on rc.com, in 2008, from marcc, who is Marc Chauvin. So....
marcc = my user name on gunks.com (inactive)
marc_c = my user name on firsttracksonline.com (too active)
marc801 = my user name here on rc.com (radioactive, according to some)
markc = some other guy on here

Edit: missed changing their to there after modifying original sentence before posting


(This post was edited by marc801 on Jan 19, 2014, 9:16 AM)


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whaa?

Click on that guy's name above and there are 2K+ posts, and he lists his name as something other than what you say.


Don't make me fear I have gone prematurely senile. It's coming soon enough as it is, and I'm confident it will not be pleasant.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
whaa?

Click on that guy's name above and there are 2K+ posts, and he lists his name as something other than what you say.


Don't make me fear I have gone prematurely senile. It's coming soon enough as it is, and I'm confident it will not be pleasant.
AAARRRRGGGGHHH!

marKc
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hahah-Okay. I swear I saw no "k' in that username.


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hahah-Okay. I swear I saw no "k' in that username.
What was that you said about early onset senility?

(Don't worry - i'll be there before you. This year is one of those big birthdays that end in a zero for me.)


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marc801 wrote:
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hahah-Okay. I swear I saw no "k' in that username.
What was that you said about early onset senility?

(Don't worry - i'll be there before you. This year is one of those big birthdays that end in a zero for me.)

I stay away for a day, and I see you've cleared up all confusion regarding our identities. Happy upcoming birthday, regardless of the number that precedes the 0.


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Way to derail a perfectly good thread...


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If it helps, there's rumor that a guide book is in the works for Lost City(long accepted as a "guidebook free" crag). That should create brouhaha.


Apparently - it was to be a bouldering guide, and when I asked "someone who would know," it was confirmed. When I asked about roped routes, the reply was more evasive.

I cannot say any more, because I have only heard stuff second hand. But those who I spoke to were reliable sources. It seems to me this will have a lot of potential for butthurt and internet blow-ups.


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