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coyoteblues
Apr 15, 2003, 12:22 AM
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In reply to: This forum has several people with some amazing knowledge..... why cant we leave it at that? If Petes personality bothers you than deal with his personality PRIVATELY.....
Why is it that he can take shots at others but the shots at him need to be private (is it because they lack the subtlty that he does)?
Working behind the scenes is one of ptpp's specialties. He's a game player and someone is calling at least one of his hands in the games he's playing.
Its not about trying to support copperhead against ptpp (I don't think copperhead needs any support anyway). Its about calling BS what it is. Some people just happen to be a little fuller of BS than others.
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iamthewallress
Apr 15, 2003, 12:26 AM
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In reply to: If he were truly a wall master, he'd climb walls other than El Cap as well.
It's worth saying again. Pete has proven himself to be an accomplished hobbyist and a megalomaniac, but I haven't seen anything that points to "wall master" yet.
I wish someone would take the PTPP index off the top of the page. It's not his forum, and the pre-existing rc.com search function is far less arcane than his index. I cringe at the idea that a newbie looking for info on getting into aid climbing will look at that thing and the accompanying arse-kissing threads from Pete's water boys and think that they're in the right place
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yosemite
Apr 15, 2003, 12:53 AM
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In my house, I have only broadcast TV. I only view the few channels that lack white noise and static. On RC.Com, I also try to view only the posts that lack white noise and static. My goal in watching both TV and cruising RC.Com is to get content. PTPP broadcasts too much white noise and static for my taste. For me, Pete blocks out any beneficial content with his relentless need to remind me of who he thinks he is and that he is “bitchin.” Maybe it’s my loss but I can’t judge the quality of content cuz the level of noise makes finding any nuggets of worthwhile beta similar to picking fly turds out of a sugar bowl with boxing gloves on. In PTPP’s posts, the messenger dominates the message. And that is a loss to both the message and the messenger.
My challenge to PTPP is to match Bryan’s Expando thesis for quality, quantity of information shared, and brevity.
Gene
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flamer
Apr 15, 2003, 4:51 AM
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I want to clarify my earlier post. I wasn't trying to put Copperhead up on a pedestal. The point I was trying to make is this...You can be an excellent climber, with tons of knowledge to share (and share it), without having to constently point out how cool you are!! Bryan just happened to be the easiest example at hand.
Bryan, sorry if I put you on the spot with that crap...
I guess nobody is perfect...but it's the ones who have to point out just how perfect they are that you have to worry about.
josh
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mozea
Apr 16, 2003, 5:40 PM
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why hasn't pete responded...he's always up for this non-sensical shit.
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elcapbuzz
Apr 16, 2003, 6:14 PM
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Pete WHO???
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alpinestylist
Apr 20, 2003, 12:40 AM
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I have only dealt with Pete online, and met B. Law in the groveler's lot drinking. Neither are my "Bro".
Pete does rant about himself quite a bit, and this may be the only thread he isn't in on? interesting.
Pete is an extension of the "chongonation" philosophy. I love Chongo, and have spent brief periods (before blasting on routes) chillin, and talking with him. no beef with Chongo himself, but takin a pitch a day pace is kind of crappy. If you have nothing better to do, Pete sells insurance, maybe he doesn't, then go ahead and do it...just please not on something crowded.
Pete seems to love getting the shoutouts from people who have wall climbed very little. Bryan may prefer a subtle head nod after 6 old E's for breakfast.
Pete has totally looked to leverage his internet interactions into something else.
I also don't like big cams overcoming wide cracks, but that is just technology, and your choice.
In the end claiming to be the best wall climber in the world is quite ludicrous if you've never climbed outside of Yosemite...
actually in the end T-A=0...talk minus action equals NADA!!!!
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mojorisin
Apr 20, 2003, 3:16 AM
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Interesting thread.
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rrrADAM
May 1, 2003, 4:34 AM
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Wow... I didn't see this one, but I sure am prominantly mentioned in many quotes from the good Dr... But 'copperhead', you left out my favorite from that thread, where he stated that he would post a letter of from George W. Bush himself stating how bitchin he was, or something like that. I'd go find it, but I have a hard time grabbing the page scroll bar with my mouse on pages that PTPP has posted to, since it shrinks down to a sliver inversly proportional to the lenght of the page. :lol:
For more of my quotes, and those of many others, please view his "Quotes of the day" in his profile. Most if not all come from PMs sent to him... So after that be sure to read his rant where he "Emphatically opposes making or posting PMs publically". Damn... I can't remember thatword that starts with an "h" that describes this behavior. What is it ??? :roll:
Don't know much about the history of our newer accomplished big wallers, but I do know that they frequent rec.climbing, a site where Pete was laughed off of, since they all know ther shit over there, and called BS on him. It seems that Pete has had a chance to get quite a head start over here, as many are eager to believe that PTPP is some Big Wall super hero.
And this isn't totally acurate:
In reply to: ... but one that truely stuck out in my mind was the fact the PTPP aids through the tough scarey free sections.
He aids anything above 5.8 or 5.9. He's been seen by numerous people at a gym in Hamilton, Ont, Ca pulling on draws while TRing 5.9's, so I think it should read "...aids through the easier free sections". :lol:
Hint to all of his sycophants who are wondering why he has not replied... Because he lets, and often times encourages, you to do it for him, since he knows he cannot honestly rebut anything said thus far.
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lambone
May 1, 2003, 7:16 AM
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This is my first post to this web site. I have lurked for a while here and there, but over all it has way too much noise to hold my attention. Some cool photos though!
Anyway, I thought I'd chime in here for the hell of it. I just have a couple of things to say about copperhead and Pete.
First, I think Bryan is a super nice guy. My buddies and I were scared to jump on Tangerine Trip (before the retro) without a drill. We met Bryan at the base of his route and he offered to let us borrow his. Gave us the all the gear we needed no questions asked and tips for how to use it right. Then he even gave us beers! That may go down in my book as one of the most bitchin things any climber that I've just met has done for me. I look forward to seein him in the valley again sometime. And I think it was about time someone called out Pete.
Second, I only met this Pete guy once, after he soloed Shortest Straw, and only brefley in the manure pile parking lot, we hardly even met, more like exchanged nods. I was like- damn thats rad, nice job dude....
I think it's pretty cool that Pete has spent so much time with the goal of teaching others, that in my opinon is one of the most honorable things a person can do. But I suspect hidden motivations, like the shameless self promotion that Bryan points out. Maybe since it has landed him a job with R+I he will tone it down some...
There are two things about Pete's style that bother me, one: His systems are to complex to be as effecient as he claims. I've tried some of them and have only gotten frustrated and went back to my own method, which for me is the Better Way. I can imagine hundreds of newbie wall climbers all crosseyed from reading to much of his BS, getting no-wher on El Cap fast.
Second, his lack of concern for the preservation of the rock and route quality...hence the name PTPP. He promotes Pitons over clean aid, and doesn't seem to give a shit about clean ethics. Considering he is in OUR country, I'd prefer that he have a bit more respect for our National Park.
I think he's just spent too much time with Chongo, who seems to be one of theose guys who will talk yur ear off even if you don't give a damn about what he is saying...
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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flamer
May 1, 2003, 9:02 PM
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I think he's just spent too much time with Chongo, who seems to be one of theose guys who will talk yur ear off even if you don't give a damn about what he is saying...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Dude you MUST know Chongo!!
WARNING!!! If you are sitting around a fire, in Camp4, and a weird Homeless looking dude comes up and starts talking about "strings" and how they connect the universe...RUN!!!
josh
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lambone
May 1, 2003, 9:31 PM
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My experience with Chongo was rather interesting. I was with a few of my friends who attend a Christian school. As soon as Chongo found out about thier faith he went of on this tirade about how he could disprove the existance of God with quantum physics, and that Jesus wasn't crucified, but moved to Japan...
My friends were ready to jump him. Which is when he began his second tirade about the Christian faith being what is wrong with the world today, and the cause of all war, and distruction...
I sat back and listened, entertained, not really taking sides either way. It was all quite comical under the imensity of El Cap. But in the end I didn't see much difference between well know televangalists and Chongo, they like to hear themselves talk, they are entertainers, and their WAY is allways the Better Way...but thats ok with me, cause at least their having fun.
What eventualy pissed me off and caused me to get up and walk away was when he started talking about how todays wall climbers are stupid and don't know jackshit about what they were doing. Then he started talking about how he's invented all these new techniques because he uses his brain (and we don't). When what he really did was re-invent the wheel by introducing concepts originating back to the invention of common rigging practices used by engineers and sailors. I took personal offense to this, and have had sort of a negative opinion towards him since. I recognize his preaching style in PTPP's posts, it's obvious.
Anyway, chongo is who he is and thats cool, more power to him!
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copperhead
May 1, 2003, 10:59 PM
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What’s up Lambone? You decide to take a little break from ST? Good to see you here. Got any beta to share on any of the threads? You’re buying the beer next time, right?
I enjoy talking to Chongo and find the discussions interesting and thought-provoking. We may not always agree on things but Chongo is cool. If any of you happen to meet him, take the opportunity to ask him about something, whatever it may be… You might learn something.
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jumaringjeff
May 2, 2003, 12:15 AM
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i bet he knows how to roll a nice 'chongo' cigarette.....
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gawd
May 2, 2003, 12:28 AM
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Pete, why don't you tell us about The Reticent Wall.
I personally think pete is full of shit! I have met him and listened to him rant in the valley and I personally think most of what he has to say is a waste of air.
Climb your walls Pete, but no one really cares.
Pete creates work with his and Chongo's style.
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lambone
May 2, 2003, 1:32 AM
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Hey c-head, yeah I got plenty of time to kill now that this is my last quarter...only 2 classes! But it still fucks my day for climbing so i just BS about it. I came here to join forces with you in harshing on PTPP, what an easy target!
Oh yeah, and maybe I'll write some stuff too...
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