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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 3:25 AM
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Or,
Photos of Hooters and Buffness and the Sleazy Comments and Auto-10s That Are Almost Guaranteed.
--by Hillary-- :)
Look at the front page photo. At any given time you could see a pic of a young woman pullin' down. And that usually means you'll see a rambling list of slavering comments from the menz around here. They barely lift their little pink snouts out of the trough to utter a "scwhing, I love climber chicks!!!1"
Here's some (in)famous examples:
Oli warming up (ahh, who can forget Miss Oli??)
Oli bouldering
Want to be the spotter? You can't even see these girls' FACES, just backs. I point this out and the oinkers scoff at me. Nice.
Handstand How many men on this site have scabby knuckles?! God, this one rotated on the FP and the only point of interest was a sports bra and a midriff. Not climbing, not emotion, not composition. Just flesh, period.
Old skool! Lilred!
And climbnow1's Euro ladies...
Sarah Seeger
Lu
Lu again
Lu? indeed it is
Lu-Lu-Lu
Sarah again... Lu does not work alone ya know!
And so on...
I am a bit surprised that the one of Rachel Robinson on Mentor has stayed relatively mild, but the comments could go south at any moment...
I am not exactly uptight about complimenting women- I HAVE been the subject of a thread debating MY "hotness." I am not bitter on account of being a weak, squishy-bodied, busted-face wannabe (other things are wrong with me, they're just in other areas ;) ) I am not a raging, testicle-smashing feminist (for sake of argument, this is to be a bad thing) But it's obvious that these women, many of whom are stronger than almost ANY of the others on this site will ever be, are not being given due credit for their talents. They're being cheapened, objectified, because they have nice bits. Yeah, some of them ARE cute (or just got caught in a complimentary moment) but what does that have to do with their CLIMBING or the photographer's skill? Nothing. But the tone of these comments clearly make it sound like the main thing worth mentioning are their looks.
It makes me uncomfortable, and I am fairly unflappable (I mean, I know Pete personally... c'mon! :P) I am embarrassed for the girls in the drool (and other fluids...)-soaked photos, and frankly, don't care to submit photos of myself anymore because I'd rather not risk the catcalls. Even I have gotten them, and I am no 5.12 and skimpy top type- so this just shows that some guys here will spank it to ANYthing! well, ok, self-depricating aside, the tone is still so consistantly slimy; one "hey, that's a nice pic of you" is ok, but that's not the case around here. It's not so benign- it's more crass, or at least lame.
And it's getting old... actually, it's been old for a long time.
How do you think the mods et. al. should approach this quieter but omnipresent form of sexism?
(and a disclaimer- I do not wish to be catty or judgmental toward these women. They're just trying to enjoy climbing. It is hardly their fault that a photo of them gets defiled by pigs.)
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gravitysucks
Aug 26, 2003, 3:37 AM
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amen, sista! what a plucky lass thou art. i sense the oinker uprising as we speak...
:roll: :? :shock: :wink:
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curt
Aug 26, 2003, 3:43 AM
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Hillary,
I myself only view this site, and Playboy magazine for that matter, for the great articles.
Curt
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camhead
Aug 26, 2003, 3:48 AM
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I think that females should just start objectifying the photos of men. "ooohh, look at that hunk of man-meat!" "huh huh, I'd belay HIM any day!" "can that harness be any more... revealing?"
come on, do it, I dare y'all!!!
seriously, though, while the comments on the photo pages get old, the bottom line is that the majority of climbers– and users of this site– are heterosexual males. If given a choice, what is your average hetero-male going to be more stoked on: a picture of Beth Rodden on Sphinx Crack, or a picture of, say, Todd Skinner on the same route. Say all you want about the quality of the CLIMB, or the ATHLETE, or whatever, but the bottom line is that female climbers are a very beautiful thing. yup.
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 3:53 AM
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In reply to: I think that females should just start objectifying the photos of men. "ooohh, look at that hunk of man-meat!" "huh huh, I'd belay HIM any day!" "can that harness be any more... revealing?" come on, do it, I dare y'all!!!
Really, I do wonder, would guys get uncomfortable about being heavily objectified? Or am I crazy to think such a thing could be possible? :roll:
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mr_phelps
Aug 26, 2003, 3:58 AM
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Hey, how about you relax a little bit. This is a website devoted to climbing, and all aspects of climbing including climbing pictures. However, and when people post pictures on this website, it is at the mercy of other people on the website, and this includes criticism, compliments, and "catcalling". There are no rules or guidelines about "catcalling". However, if there were, it would be as futile as making it illegal to post negative or unflattering comments.
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pbjosh
Aug 26, 2003, 3:58 AM
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While people may make gradeschool comments I certainly don't mind the pictures. Don't get me wrong, I like good pictures of guys as well, but a good climbing shot of an attractive woman is a good thing. People are attracted to beauty, been that way for while.
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 3:59 AM
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Hill,
First I consider myself a feminist, who revels in the power we women have. But one of the wonderful (though sometimes a little embarassing) powers we have is to reduce grown men to drooling fools.:lol:
All these women are impressive climbers, out pulling down hard on things some of us can only dream of. That alone makes them Hot. Why not say so. Now that is not to validate silly drooling men, but I like to think most of them are commenting on the fact that they love to see women climbing hard. None of this invalidates the climbing these women are doing, and there are just as many comments if not more on their impressive climbing as on their looks.
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caughtinside
Aug 26, 2003, 4:00 AM
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Big deal.
It's just about as off-putting as dating someone 15+ years younger than you. :P
Have you looked at a climbing mag lately? Lots of pics of women. A much higher ratio than that I see when I'm at the rocks.
Disgusted by someone's behavior? Hell, you and everyone else on this site. Time to solve the problem by putting the sensitivity police on the case!
By the way, thanks for putting together that nice collection of strong climbers sending hard routes. Inspirational. 8)
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biff
Aug 26, 2003, 4:04 AM
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ooh - look at that hunk of a man .. I'd forget the name of the route too!!!!!11
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=16991
pshaw!
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 4:05 AM
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In reply to: Hey, how about you relax a little bit. This is a website devoted to climbing, and all aspects of climbing including climbing pictures. However, and when people post pictures on this website, it is at the mercy of other people on the website, and this includes criticism, compliments, and "catcalling". There are no rules or guidelines about "catcalling". However, if there were, it would be as futile as making it illegal to post negative or unflattering comments.
You obviously don't get it. I knew a lot of people wouldn't. I hear echos of the men in the audience of feminist rallies shouting "she just needs to get laid!" ...
Since when does saying "I just had an orgasm," "could she please move her arm down just another inch," "my compliments to her father" or "I wish my second looked like that" have anything constructive to do with CLIMBING, photography, or encouraging women to develop their skills as athletes?
I'd threaten to get all Steinem on yalls arses but I am actually not the most capable of that! :shock: ;)
And there ARE rules here against "catcalling," which is otherwise known as sexual harrassment when elevated to a certain plane.
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caughtinside
Aug 26, 2003, 4:12 AM
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In reply to: You obviously don't get it. I knew a lot of people wouldn't.
Maybe people get it but don't agree with you.
Impossible! :shock:
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coldclimb
Aug 26, 2003, 4:13 AM
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You're right Hillary. I personally think these guys should shut their mouths. If they said some of those things straight to those girls' faces, they'd most likely get slapped. Keep the comments like that to yourself people. :)
Personally, I've always had a soft spot for girls. ;) For me, it is an admiration and a respect, and I have always tried hard to do nothing that they wouldn't like. I dunno, I guess my parents must have raised me differently, and for that, I tip my hat.
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 4:14 AM
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Jay, can you come over here, it seems Hillary needs a little sumpthin..... :D
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andy_lemon
Aug 26, 2003, 4:16 AM
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In reply to: I myself only view this site, and Playboy magazine for that matter, for the great articles.
Ditto... :twisted:
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 4:16 AM
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"I just had an orgasm," THat comment is quite out of line boys....Really :roll:
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kalcario
Aug 26, 2003, 4:18 AM
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methinks m'lady protests too much...given a choice between too much attention and not enough, I know which most women would prefer...surely you realize we're just patronizing the shallow female ego with our porcine comments?
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camhead
Aug 26, 2003, 4:19 AM
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remember a couple years back when Steph Davis posed for Maxim? And I DON"T mean the rope company.
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on_sight_man
Aug 26, 2003, 4:22 AM
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In reply to: Since when does saying "I just had an orgasm," "could she please move her arm down just another inch," "my compliments to her father" or "I wish my second looked like that" have anything constructive to do with CLIMBING, photography, or encouraging women to develop their skills as athletes?
Hillary, anyone who captions their picture with "How super is MY crack ???:) is asking for it or at least capable of taking it in stride. Why would you think anyone ELSES stupid sexual inuendos are any more serious or objectionable than your own?
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 4:22 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: You obviously don't get it. I knew a lot of people wouldn't. Maybe people get it but don't agree with you. Impossible! :shock:
...Girl speaks her mind, so she must be "difficult." but...
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!!!!!!!11
:x :lol:
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Aug 26, 2003, 4:24 AM
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Yea, it seems although every second male on this site has to prove his sexual straightness by posting stupid, sexist and downright pathetic comments on women who climb much much stronger then them. Its like a bunch of 12 year olds watching a soft porn. So pathetic. Grow up ya dirt bags.
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bvb
Aug 26, 2003, 4:24 AM
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i'm confused...did i stumble into the ladies room by mistake?
is that kalcario over there powdering his nose?
is that ronamick adjusting his hose?
and who is the dood talking about his nosejob?
i must be asleep, pinch me.....but please, not on the ass.
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 4:26 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Since when does saying "I just had an orgasm," "could she please move her arm down just another inch," "my compliments to her father" or "I wish my second looked like that" have anything constructive to do with CLIMBING, photography, or encouraging women to develop their skills as athletes? Hillary, anyone who captions their picture with "How super is MY crack ???:) is asking for it or at least capable of taking it in stride. Why would you think anyone ELSES stupid sexual inuendos are any more serious or objectionable than your own?
Why yes. But, crazy enough, that wasn't a sexual innuendo. Even I can be innothent!
I am not objectifying anybody else or their experience. That photo is of me on a climb called Super Crack. Ever heard of it? I like puns, and was referring to the crack in the rock, not my ass, and did not follow up my corny play on words with anything involving any of my body's ports of entry.
Don't try too hard, now.
NEXT!!
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Aug 26, 2003, 4:29 AM
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The biological reality is that men are visual creatures, voyeurs if you will. Any normal, healthy heterosexual man will look at those photos and appreciate, shall we say, "the finer points" (as I did). Women in general, IMHO, just don't work the same way on visual stimulation (there are, I'm sure, exceptions).
There was a famous study about three decades ago which found that men think about the female form on average four times a minute. I won't hazard a guess as to what women think about every 15 seconds.
This I believe to be true though: men and women have very different ways of getting to the name of the game - the emotional connection, being loved if you will. Guys think that sex is the emotional connection; for women sex is a way to get to the emotional connection.
Anyhow, there's the biological differences that may go a way to explaining why guys will drool (or drip - I know ewww!) over pix of hot women rock climbing. The issue, it appears, is guys not shy about putting such thoughts in words to images on this site.
The question raised is how the mods should address this issue - if at all. I see the point. For women such comments take away from what for them are just fine climbing photos. My opinion is that there is no need to post such comments. Guys, look, appreciate (or whatever), pm you buddies, but leave it off the site. There's really no need for it. The women in the pix aren't necessarily looking for compliments - this isn't a fashion show.
That said, I don't think it will stop and I don't think it necessarily appropriate for the mods to start removing such comments. Let's at the very least try to practice some discretion.
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jono13
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Heres an idea... Why dont you sexists, pathetic f*cks just GROW THE F*CK UP!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I mean hell, I can respect women for more then their features and I'm 16!! What a bunch of dinks.
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