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coldclimb
Aug 26, 2003, 4:31 AM
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*sigh*
I should have been a cowboy. :(
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caughtinside
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In reply to: ...Girl speaks her mind, so she must be "difficult." but... :x :lol:
I see your point, I disagree. Someone else fails to see your point entirely. All 'Difficulty' and Incredible Negativity on RC.com aside, is there a difference?
Hell, it might be time to start moderating overwhelming sarcasm. :P
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 4:32 AM
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jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands.
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on_sight_man
Aug 26, 2003, 4:33 AM
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In reply to: Why yes. I am not objectifying anybody else or their experience.
fair enough
In reply to: That photo is of me on a climb called Super Crack. Ever heard of it?
In reply to: I like puns, and was referring to the crack in the rock, not my ass, and did not follow up my corny play on words with anything involving any of my body's ports of entry.
I don't believe that for a second. I think you were making an inuendo and nothing you say will make me think different. I don't have any problem with it (in fact, I thought it was funny). My point was simply that maybe SOME of the comments are harmless, in the same way yours was. Some are pretty crude and stupid though.
In reply to: Don't try too hard, now.
I won't, I gave up discussing the objectification issue in college when I realized we all objectify everything.
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bvb
Aug 26, 2003, 4:33 AM
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three women, one band: sleater-kinney.
all you'll ever need to know about girls.....
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karmaklimber
Aug 26, 2003, 4:36 AM
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In reply to: You're right Hillary. I personally think these guys should shut their mouths. If they said some of those things straight to those girls' faces, they'd most likely get slapped. Keep the comments like that to yourself people.
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climbsomething
Aug 26, 2003, 4:36 AM
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In reply to: Hillary, anyone who captions their picture with "How super is MY crack ???:) is asking for it...
OOH! OOH! Did you see how short her skirt was? She's ASKING FOR IT!!!
Don't even.
But, as much as I enjoy turning into primal crazy woman, with spirals for pupils and all, can anybody here offer valid suggestions for the mods instead of trying to make me seem disingenious? Cos I know I have a point, and you know I do too.
...at least pepherboy tried to answer. Cool.
I can see how some people think it's futile or unneccessary or "we can't help it." That's a valid response, even if it's not in line with my ranting, and if that's the majority, well damnation! Guess I would in fact be an idealistic loon ;)
I get it see, but I just don't agree with it. Impossible! :shock:
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curt
Aug 26, 2003, 4:38 AM
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In reply to: jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands.
Lots of women do think gay men make the best friends.
Curt
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coldclimb
Aug 26, 2003, 4:38 AM
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In reply to: Heres an idea... Why dont you sexists, pathetic f*cks just GROW THE F*CK UP!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I mean hell, I can respect women for more then their features and I'm 16!! What a bunch of dinks. In reply to: jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands.
As much as Jono dislikes me :wink: , I find myself siding with him on this one. I've always been taught to treat girls with the utmost respect, and I've always enjoyed doing so. It's really sad that most of the rest of the world doesn't see it this way anymore.
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roughster
Aug 26, 2003, 4:38 AM
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There is a balance here guys. I can see Hillary's point as well as the knuckledraggers :lol: The bottom line is asking for a little sensitivity on the issue cannot hurt.
If we look at the current definition of sexual harrasement, we might eb able to shed a little light on her perspective:
In reply to: Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment. Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following: The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex. The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee. The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct. Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim. The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome. It is helpful for the victim to directly inform the harasser that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop.
I can see several issues in the above passage that are a good fit:
or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.
The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.
and what I think is most important:
It is helpful for the victim to directly inform the harasser that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop.
Hillary has asked "us" as a group to watch what we are saying. There is nothing wrong or objectional in her request. I think we should all take a deep breath and realize she is just asking for us to be a little more sensitive to the issue.
I can live with that, and I hope we are tolerant enough of a group collectively to honor a small request to be alittle more aware of the impact of our statements.
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ricardol
Aug 26, 2003, 4:38 AM
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umm -- public forum on the internet -- i bet that most of the users on this site are male ..
.. so what do you expect? --
.. i bet that every guy on this forum has gone through the picture section looking for the hottie pictures .. its that kind of place.. :-)
-- ricardo
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camhead
Aug 26, 2003, 4:40 AM
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we need a photo with this caption
"Lucy, age 22, has really been climbing her way into superstardom lately. The aspiring model, actress, and singer lists her hobbies as 'climbing and other fun stuff.' Well, she certainly is not repelling! Certainly thousands of bachelors would just love to rope up with this girl. On belay guys!"
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Aug 26, 2003, 4:40 AM
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It seems that climbsomething has spawned some hipocritical outrage from a male feminist sympathiser back a few posts. However I am wanting to get some sort of consensus from the ordinary joe blow users of this site as to what they see as acceptable behaviour in the comments field below the pics of hot chicks.
It is now time for Mr., Mrs. and Ms. average user to make their opinion known as this thread will be used as the basis for formulating a loose policy on what to do with some of the more crass comments in the photo comments field.
I cringe at some of the comments posted and feel that it must be driving away the very thing that we all love to see and that is hot chicks pulling down hard on awesome climbs.
If we can all agree on what to do that will help the photo mods do their job more effectively so that there are more pics of chicks doing what we love to see and that is cranking hard with ripped muscles on stellar routes.
Crass comments does nothing to encourage the posting of these sorts of pics.
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 4:40 AM
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As far as moderating goes, I'd leave it alone unless the object of the comment complains and asks to have it removed then remove it.
Oh and watch your mouths boys, gross comments do not get you girls.
And sensitive over-the-top-feminist girly types, learn to accept well meaning compliments when ya get em.
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on_sight_man
Aug 26, 2003, 4:42 AM
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In reply to: Hillary, anyone who captions their picture with "How super is MY crack ???:) is asking for it... OOH! OOH! Did you see how short her skirt was? She's ASKING FOR IT!!!
Give me a LITTLE credit please. I meant inuendo of course. Remember, you don't know me either.
In reply to: But, as much as I enjoy turning into primal crazy woman, with spirals for pupils and all, can anybody here offer valid suggestions for the mods instead of trying to make me seem disingenious? Cos I know I have a point, and you know I do too.
Don't moderators already moderate those comments? I agree they're not doing a good job in some cases. Inuendo is one thing, crude is another and it's already against the rules I think...
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bvb
Aug 26, 2003, 4:44 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands. Lots of women do think gay men make the best friends. Curt
Ouuuuchchh! Curt, give these poor kids a fighting chance!
ooo buuurrnrnnnn
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climbsomething
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*sigh* I use offbeat humor to diffuse tension. I don't want anybody to think I castrate men using ice cube as the only anaesthetic. But I DO want taken seriously. C'mon, it's not like I crusade that often ;) Perhaps I should just simply state that I don't like being pushed over and leave it at that?
My bad. I'll try not to be so silly. Perhaps I should take up knitting, my satirist career has bombed. heh.
I am sure you're very reasonable on_sight ;) I come in peace. Just keep the pointy objects out of my mitts!
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ricardol
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands. Lots of women do think gay men make the best friends. Curt :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: F*ck that is so pathetic. Like honest to god were you locked in your basement for your highschool years and recently let out so you must now prove to everyone that your a sexist f*ck? Haha, god what a typical, redneck male. And coldclimb, I dont hate you that much, I just like calling you a dork. Mostly because you seem like a keener. But hey, you got your head on straight, unlike 99% of the f*cks on this site. (F*cks being sexists pathetic redneck males of course)
take the skirt off man .. join the rest of your snout-nosed brethren and check out the hottie pictures on rc.com
-- ricardo
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krave
Aug 26, 2003, 4:49 AM
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http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=16633
I guess that I'm one of the objectifiers. Sorry boys. But he's just soooo hot for a man of his age
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camhead
Aug 26, 2003, 4:49 AM
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hehe. jono called curt a redneck.
that's right curt, take off that trucker's cap and sell the camaro, eh?!
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jono13
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands. Lots of women do think gay men make the best friends. Curt Ouuuuchchh! Curt, give these poor kids a fighting chance! ooo buuurrnrnnnn
I was not offended in the least. I actually burst out laughing when I read it. Why? Well because, this man is simply... A moron. There are one of two circumstances with him. Well, three. One, he may be a 40-50 year old male entering his mid-life crisis and doesnt get any anymore so cruises rc.com forums and makes whitty sexists comments to sound like a "big" (straight) man. Second, he is a typical high school idiot moron male who, surprise, doesnt get any, so has to make himself sound like a big "man" on rc.com, wow, similar to one isnt? Third, he is in his 20s-30s and was a huge loser in high school so has to somehow relive it by trying to make it all happen the way he would have liked to by sounding like a fantastic sexist ass. So pathetic. Willing to bet one of them is true though. I am quite straight, have a girlfriend and am basically a typical kid, and I can accept the fact that there is so much more to women then their looks. Why the f*ck cant such a large percentage of the males on this site do so? Grow up.
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Hillary, I do believe you're taking some undue offense at the physical compliments you read here in the photos comments. Does it not occur to you that these so-called "catcalls" are really a virtually unanimous expression of admiration and/or approval of women who have made great achievments in physical and mental conditioning? The women we see in these images cannot be realistically viewed by anyone as weak or complacent, and acknoledging their beauty--however clumsily stated that acknowledgment my be--is nothing like whilsting at an aneorexic waif with nice implants. These women aren't "cute" because they fit any chavanistic submissive model; they're truly "hot" because they have earned their good form; they are healthy, powerful athletes, and I find that damned sexy, and damned impressive. I don't see anything wrong with saying that out loud.
Thanks for the thoughtful post and the links to some excellent (and gorgeous) images that I somehow missed.
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caughtinside
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All right, all needling aside.
I think the fact that these women are climbers is being overlooked by those who are annoyed by some of the comments made. You see, those pictures represent to some, the Ideal Woman.
Its plain to see that they are all physically attractive. What maybe isn't as apparent, is how rare these women are. I imagine most young single guys have tried to get their girlfriends into climbing. Sadly, the joy of climbing doesn't always take in these young women.
Just then, you see a picture of a comely young woman, who is perhaps climbing something harder than you are capable of! Joyous day!
Engaging in the escapism that the internet provides for so many of us, you allow yourself to think, "Wow, what if she was my girlfriend," "Finally, a woman who would be stoked to go climb for 2 weeks," or even "If I could get her to ropegun for me I could die happy!"
Is that last thought objectionable?
Or I could crude it down and post something on that picture.
For me, one of the things I enjoy about those pictures is that to me, women like that Don't Exist.
Self expression is important. If you object to some of the statements, ask yourself, Am I being hurt by this? Or am I just uncomfortable? Is it necessary for me to force my will on someone else?
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: jono at 16 you probably now have most of the women on rc.com eating out of your hands. Lots of women do think gay men make the best friends. Curt :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: F*ck that is so pathetic. Like honest to god were you locked in your basement for your highschool years and recently let out so you must now prove to everyone that your a sexist f*ck? Haha, god what a typical, redneck male. And coldclimb, I dont hate you that much, I just like calling you a dork. Mostly because you seem like a keener. But hey, you got your head on straight, unlike 99% of the f*cks on this site. (F*cks being sexists pathetic redneck males of course) take the skirt off man .. join the rest of your snout-nosed brethren and check out the hottie pictures on rc.com -- ricardo
No I'd rather expect people for more then breasts thank you.
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OK guys, lets chill on the personal attacks. The issue is comments on pictures, not comments about one anothers short comings.
Lets try to offer up your opinion and respect others. The thread was to get feedback on peoples opinion on the issue.
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