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sportclmbr84
Dec 28, 2004, 12:55 AM
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What would you consider yourself in terms of climbing experience? Beginner
Intermediate
Advanced
Expert
I would probably consider myself intermediate because I can climb around 5.9's and been climbing about a year and a half. What about the rest of you?
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dingus
Dec 28, 2004, 12:57 AM
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I would consider you a beginner.
DMT
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dirtineye
Dec 28, 2004, 12:59 AM
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You left off my favorite category-- idiot. I consider myself to be at the idiot level of climbng, surviving by luck over and over. There is a lot of luck in climbng, if there weren't people would die every week, cause there are a lot of us idiots out there, doing idiotic things on a regular basis, and we don't even know it.
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flying_dutchman
Dec 28, 2004, 1:03 AM
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Does Idiot fall before or after Advanced?
I vote that it falls before and in that case i'm between Intermediate and Idiot
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sportclmbr84
Dec 28, 2004, 1:05 AM
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In reply to: You left off my favorite category-- idiot
LOL
Okay, so here are the category's:
Idiot
Beginner
Intermediate
Advanced
Expert
In reply to: I would consider you a beginner. DMT
Okay, so I'll consider myself between a beginner and intermediate. :)
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climbia
Dec 28, 2004, 1:06 AM
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which type of climbing.
Intermediate sport
Beginner trad
Intermediate toprope
newbie alpine and ice
aid never touched it, yet
boulder only when i can't find arope, lol.
And thats all relitive to whom you compare it to? To an old hardman I'm a complete and newbie at everything and shouldn't even say anything.
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kman
Dec 28, 2004, 1:16 AM
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In reply to: I would probably consider myself intermediate because I can climb around 5.9's
I would consider you a noob for saying that. You can climb 5.10's for 3 years in a gym and you would still be a noob if that's all you know.
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ebelay
Dec 28, 2004, 1:25 AM
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In reply to: Intermediate toprope
???
I'm really hoping to get to Expert Toprope someday.
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theflyingsquirrel
Dec 28, 2004, 1:47 AM
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some people might consider us all experts just because we're not dead yet.
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Dec 28, 2004, 2:02 AM
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Im not sure there are ever definite levels of climbing. One reason is that the grade of climb is so smooth in the ratings (youre never quite sure if its accurate) and the rating scale is subjective to opinions of climbers. And Id rather rate based on knowledge rather than on difficulty of the climbs. Me? Ill always be a "noob" because Im always learning, always getting the knowledge that improves me. And hey, ill always be worse than someone.
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buckyllama
Dec 28, 2004, 2:05 AM
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I'd say idiot falls between beginner and intermediate. A true intermediate climber has learned through the school of hard knocks and near misses that they don't know nearly as much as they think they do. They also know that 5.9 is a pretty wicked grade in many parts of the country and being solid on 5.9, or 5.11 for that matter, in the gym in no way prepares you for them. A true beginner climber knows they know nothing and isn't ashamed to admit it. An idiot knows just enough to get themselves in real trouble.
Most climbers cease to be climbers in the idiot stage, either through attrition, or disintrest. Most of us that make it through muddle forever as intermediate climbers. Few have the time to ever manage true "advanced" status. Fewer still are true "experts". The former demands a substantial portion of one's free time for quite a lot of years. The latter demands having little life outside of climbing for a very great number of years. When you meet such people learn all you can from them about climbing, and take everything else they say with a grain of salt.
Personally I've been at this game for 7 years and I feel I am just beginning to scrape the beginning of "intermediate". I've broken some bones climbing and come back, done virtually all forms of rock climbing except big wall, managed family life, work, friends, etc all to climb. I consider myself solid on 5.8 which I am slightly proud of. (and by "solid" I mean I've got better than a 95% chance of climbing any 5.8 under any conditions). I've put up routes, travelled, met a few really cool people.
And I'm still impressed by how bad I am and how little I know. There a lot of kids out there who can climb circles around me, but that's cool, a lot of them freak on 80' runouts. So do I, I should point out. But I know that from experience. At the end of the day I'll buy them a beer and we'll laugh about how scary that shiz was, and be amazed at the real hardmen who get scared on 5.13 and not 5.7.
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sportclmbr84
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In reply to: And Id rather rate based on knowledge rather than on difficulty of the climbs
Thats what I was trying to ask in the first place...I just added what I could climb as well. I just was trying to see what everyone on rc.com would consider themselves. so idiot is inbetween beg. and int. and so I think I'm in that category cause I know I'll always be learning stuff about climbing, I know I don't know everything. How about everyone else?
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Dec 28, 2004, 2:23 AM
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In reply to: which type of climbing. Intermediate sport Beginner trad Intermediate toprope newbie alpine and ice aid never touched it, yet boulder only when i can't find arope, lol. And thats all relitive to whom you compare it to? To an old hardman I'm a complete and newbie at everything and shouldn't even say anything. |
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Dec 28, 2004, 2:24 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: You left off my favorite category-- idiot LOL Okay, so here are the category's: Beginner Idiot Intermediate Advanced Expert In reply to: I would consider you a beginner. DMT Okay, so I'll consider myself between a beginner and intermediate. :)
Agreed. :wink:
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korntera
Dec 28, 2004, 2:48 AM
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I am an advanced beginner. I climb 5.10 if i am really really working it. I have done many multipitch and trad climbs and have all the knowledge for rock climbing except big wall. but my skills are only 5.10 so i am an advanced beginner.
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kriso9tails
Dec 28, 2004, 4:04 AM
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I'm an expert at falling off itermediates I've advanced on that even beginners could walk through because I'm an idiot.
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discolegsyndrome
Dec 28, 2004, 4:08 AM
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I'm a a beginner and will always be a beginner :D
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Dec 28, 2004, 4:18 AM
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In reply to: LOL Okay, so here are the category's: Idiot Beginner Intermediate Advanced Expert Okay, so I'll consider myself between a beginner and intermediate. :)
I like to think of myself as an expert idiot.
d.
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gunksgoer
Dec 28, 2004, 4:27 AM
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hmmm thats really hard to say. there are plenty of older climbers that are way experienced and have everything mastered, but just climb 5.6. then their is the opposite, young guns who crank way hard but dont know much about the sport.
e.g. : there are probably lots of climbers who climb 5.12, but coulnt even tell u who bachar is. does this make them more of an expert then someone who has a treasure chest full of climbing knowledge but doesnt climb that hard?
without that distinction, its impossible to say.
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Dec 28, 2004, 4:41 AM
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When I die of old age, then I think I can safely say that I have gone past the beginner stage of climbing.
When someone experienced says that I have forgotten more than they have ever learned about climbing, I will possibly feel like I am not a beginner.
I don't mind being a beginner for the next 40+ years of (hopefully) safe climbing. I think always considering myself a beginner will leave me open to absorbing all the knowledge I can, and will help me to keep my ego out of the way of learning.
Well, at least that's what I'm hoping.
So yeah, I'm a beginner. Hopefully, one day I can write a book about it. ;)
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Dec 28, 2004, 5:08 AM
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I've been climbing for 5 years, I lead trad @ 5.10 I do a little mountaneering and aid climbing. I have a fair bit of training and knowledge from ACMG guides, books and more experianced friends. I also Have rope and cravase rescue training etc.
I would class my self as a skilled beginner. Sadly, most people would lump me into a 'Higher class". What I know now is that I have much More to learn Also the more I think I know the less I'm open to learn and that scares me. Maybe in another 5 years I'll call my self and experianced climber
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Dec 28, 2004, 6:03 AM
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N00b beginner. I started climbing about a year ago, but due to scheduling have seen little rock time. I am working on it. I am an expert at sarcasm though! :twisted:
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Dec 28, 2004, 6:26 AM
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I am at the advanced level of the beginner category of the intermediate class of climber. I also consider myself an idiot, which I believe lies outside and independent of the other categories. I have been climbing for 12 years now, and I know very little comparatively. But a wise man once said that true intelligence lies in realizing how much we do not know.
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wormly81
Dec 28, 2004, 6:28 AM
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In reply to: Personally I've been at this game for 7 years and I feel I am just beginning to scrape the beginning of "intermediate". I've broken some bones climbing and come back, done virtually all forms of rock climbing except big wall, managed family life, work, friends, etc all to climb. I consider myself solid on 5.8 which I am slightly proud of. (and by "solid" I mean I've got better than a 95% chance of climbing any 5.8 under any conditions). I've put up routes, travelled, met a few really cool people.
5.8 under any conditions. I can think of some nasty weather and exposure (and perhaps a touch of ice) that would make for interesting conditions. I believe this shows the inherent flaw in designating yourself as a 5.something climber. When someone says they are a 5.something climber they really havn't told you anything. 5.8 on a little boulder? over a mat? at their home crag? on some foriegn rock after a 2000 mile drive? High in a mountain range they didnt even know existed a couple months ago?
There are people who have knowledge that can far surpass your own yet climb many grades easier. The hardest part about climbing is finding those who know what you dont and are willing to share that information.
Jeff
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killer_crag_move
Dec 28, 2004, 6:34 AM
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Expert.
Not because I climb 5 billions but because i grew up around climbing. I know it, I love it. Ive seen just about every situation one could find himself in. Although I do come across things that I find new and intresting.
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Dec 28, 2004, 6:55 AM
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I call myself an under achieving over-expecter, and conversely an overachieving under-expecter, just depends on what im doing that day and how i feel. keeps me on my toes.
i just enjoy the whole thing, and when i dont enjoy it, then its time to move on to other things to enjoy.
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Dec 28, 2004, 9:00 AM
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I'm a happy climber. Screw everything else.
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climbinginchico
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I am best described as a climber.
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I have been climbing for two years. I climb both outside and inside. I am:
A beginner to intermediate sport climber. I have my own quickdraws and can of mousse, but I only rent my spandex...I have the option to buy, though. Sweet.
I am a pants-soiling non-trad climber. I am somewhat afraid of placing pro and flat out terrified of buying pro. I mean...it seems you have to spend like $174,029.83 on titanium nut-chock-pitons just to pull off the ground on a 5.7- safely, what's up with that? Then you need, like, two humvees to haul it all to the crag...
I am an ice climbing wanna-be. I crave sharp tools and incredible danger, but my nose runs a lot in cold weather and I have yet to see an ice climber who doesn't start every story with "So, I almost died."...even stories about...birthday parties and kittens and whatnot. Sheesh.
I am a top roping ninja, with skills that boggle the mind. I scamper cat-like from plastic hold to plastic hold, occasionally pausing to chalk up and sneer at the boulderers...because chances are they're sneering at me...because all boulderers have an attitude problem, as we know.
Oh, yeah. I boulder a lot. On days when I'm neither fat or weak, I'm ok.
So, now you know. Allez, Homard!
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I'm...
Oh, forget it. Everything funny is taken. :(
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The little thing under my name says it all :)
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Several people have asked about the idiot designation, and several have offered their view of where it falls in the ranking, and several have even claimed to be idiots or to have passed through the idiot phase.
So allow me to clarify:
Idiot can indeed coexist with those other less useful categories.
IF you know you are an idiot, you might just live through a situation that you otherwise might not.
Is it possible to pass out of the idiot stage? Maybe, but it could be dangerous if you merely THINK you are no longer an idiot. It could be dangerous anyway. Always stay in touch with your inner idiot.
A subtle point about idiocy is that failure to aknowledge your idiocy is closely related to climbing hubris. In other words, you think you are an expert, and certainly no idiot, you're really good in fact, so you do things that eventually wind up getting you hurt or killed. Often these are stupid things. Bear in mind that we have all done them, we probably just didn't realize how stupid these things were, got away with it, and think we are good because we were lucky.
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TR for 8 years, so I guess that makes me afraid to lead or intermediate TR. Cleaned for about 1 yr. Actually trying to convince my wife to let me start leading. So we will just have to see hwo that goes.
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Wow
you joined in '69 and posted 11 times? That's a record ! :)
In reply to: What would you consider yourself in terms of climbing experience? Beginner Intermediate Advanced Expert I would probably consider myself intermediate because I can climb around 5.9's and been climbing about a year and a half. What about the rest of you? |
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Dec 29, 2004, 3:04 PM
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I would consider myself intermediate i guess. I can climb 5.10 (i did an 11 once) and am pretty solid on 5.9s.
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Dec 29, 2004, 3:49 PM
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I consider myself intermediate, not by my climbing ability, but by my knowledge of safety, equipment, and style.
I consider myself a once strong climber out of practice.
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Before kids I was leading 11 sport and 10 trad. I guess that would rate as intermediate.
Now I'm just a bumbling old fart.
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