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Although I realize that there are many on this site, more specifically within the Technique & Training forum, that are more immune to science than George Bush (why does that happen with fitness related issues - there's a good paper right there) I'd be very interested in seeing studies that are related to climbing. So post away!

In other words, if you know of a study that 1) either deals with climbers explicitly or provides results that may be applicable to climbing and 2) is published in a peer reviewed journal then please post it up.

I'm interested in this for a few reasons. First, in a recent thread an individual was citing studies out of context and created quite a bit of confusion. Second, Climbing recently publicized a study in way that I feel was very misleading - I'd prefer to see some dialogue concerning interpretting results and I think that can happen here. Third, there are some great minds on this site and it would be cool if this could provide an arena for the collection of institutional knowledge (for example, I kind find a database at ASU that has any sports science/kinesiology/physiology articles re: climbing; although I did find some cool psychology stuff).

So, if you've read something post up an abstract and your interpretation. Thanks!


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well, i dont know if thats what youre looking for, but i believe that slovenian climber martina cufar wrote her degree on climbing related injuries and their prevention. ill see if i can dig it up somewhere.


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taping the base of your finger won't prevent A2 pulley ruptures. corpse hands prove it. look at the related articles, as they're interesting too.

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There you go.


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Darn it, I _never_ would have believed these things without a peer review:

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Influence of climbing style on physiological responses during indoor rock climbing on routes with the same difficulty.

* de Geus B,
* Villanueva O'Driscoll S,
* Meeusen R.

Faculteit LK, Dept. Human Physiology and Sports Medicine, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Pleinlaan 2, 1050, Brussels, Belgium.

The objectives of this study were to (1) continuously assess oxygen uptake and heart rate; (2) quantify the extent to which maximal whole-body cardiorespiratory capacity is utilized during climbing on four routes with the same difficulty but different steepness and/or displacement. Fifteen expert climbers underwent a maximal graded exercise test (MT), on a treadmill, in order to assess their maximal physiological capacity. After MT, four sport routes, equal in difficulty rating but different in steepness and/or displacement, were climbed. Oxygen uptake and heart rate were continuously measured. Respiratory exchange ratio (RER) was calculated. Blood lactate concentration and rating of perceived exertion (RPE) were taken before and directly after climbing. Data were expressed as peak values (HRpeak, VO2peak and RERpeak) and as averages over the entire climb (HRavg, VO2avg and RERavg). During climbing, higher HRpeak and HRavg were found in routes with a vertical upward displacement in comparison to traversing routes with a horizontal displacement. The average absolute and relative oxygen uptake was significantly lower in the traversing route in comparison with the three other routes. The traverse is done at a lower percent of the running maximum. Comparing four routes with the same difficulty but different steepness and/or displacement shows that (1) routes with an upward displacement causes the highest peak and average heart rate; (2) routes with a vertical displacement on overhanging wall is physiologically the most demanding; (3) the traverse is physiologically the less demanding.

Duh !

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pro_alien wrote:
Darn it, I _never_ would have believed these things without a peer review:

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Influence of climbing style on physiological responses during indoor rock climbing on routes with the same difficulty.

* de Geus B,
* Villanueva O'Driscoll S,
* Meeusen R.

Faculteit LK, Dept. Human Physiology and Sports Medicine, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Pleinlaan 2, 1050, Brussels, Belgium.

The objectives of this study were to (1) continuously assess oxygen uptake and heart rate; (2) quantify the extent to which maximal whole-body cardiorespiratory capacity is utilized during climbing on four routes with the same difficulty but different steepness and/or displacement. Fifteen expert climbers underwent a maximal graded exercise test (MT), on a treadmill, in order to assess their maximal physiological capacity. After MT, four sport routes, equal in difficulty rating but different in steepness and/or displacement, were climbed. Oxygen uptake and heart rate were continuously measured. Respiratory exchange ratio (RER) was calculated. Blood lactate concentration and rating of perceived exertion (RPE) were taken before and directly after climbing. Data were expressed as peak values (HRpeak, VO2peak and RERpeak) and as averages over the entire climb (HRavg, VO2avg and RERavg). During climbing, higher HRpeak and HRavg were found in routes with a vertical upward displacement in comparison to traversing routes with a horizontal displacement. The average absolute and relative oxygen uptake was significantly lower in the traversing route in comparison with the three other routes. The traverse is done at a lower percent of the running maximum. Comparing four routes with the same difficulty but different steepness and/or displacement shows that (1) routes with an upward displacement causes the highest peak and average heart rate; (2) routes with a vertical displacement on overhanging wall is physiologically the most demanding; (3) the traverse is physiologically the less demanding.

Duh !

Pascal

Science confirms the obvious...Laugh


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Somewhat more interesting:

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Physiology of difficult rock climbing.

* Watts PB.

Exercise Science Laboratory, Department of Health, Physical Education and Recreation, Northern Michigan University, 1401 Presque Isle Avenue, Marquette, MI 49855, USA. pwatts@nmu.edu

The purpose of this review is to explore existing research on the physiological aspects of difficult rock climbing. Findings will be categorized into the areas of an athlete profile and an activity model. An objective here is to describe high-level climbing performance; thus the focus will primarily be on studies that involve performances at the 5.11/6c (YDS/French) level of difficulty or higher. Studies have found climbers to be small in stature with low body mass and low body fat. Although absolute strength values are not unusual, strength to body mass ratio is high in accomplished climbers. There is evidence that muscular endurance and high upper body power are important. Climbers do not typically possess extremely high aerobic power, typically averaging between 52-55 ml.kg(-1).min(-1) for maximum oxygen uptake. Performance time for a typical ascent ranges from 2 to 7 min and oxygen uptake (VO2) averages around 20-25 ml.kg(-1).min(-1) over this period. Peaks of over 30 ml.kg(-1).min(-1) for VO2 have been reported. VO2 tends to plateau during sustained climbing yet remains elevated into the post-climb recovery period. Blood lactate accumulates during ascent and remains elevated for over 20 min post-climbing. Handgrip endurance decreases to a greater degree than handgrip strength with severe climbing. On the basis of this review, it appears that a specific training program for high-level climbing would include components for developing high, though not elite-level, aerobic power; specific muscular strength and endurance; ATP-PC and anaerobic glycolysis system power and capacity; and some minimum range of motion for leg and arm movements.

I like this one (don't use chalk myself):

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Use of 'chalk' in rock climbing: sine qua non or myth?

* Li FX,
* Margetts S,
* Fowler I.

Perception Action Laboratory, School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, The University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, UK. f.x.li@bham.ac.uk

Magnesium carbonate, or 'chalk', is used by rock climbers to dry their hands to increase the coefficient of friction, thereby improving the grip of the holds. To date, no scientific research supports this practice; indeed, some evidence suggests that magnesium carbonate could decrease the coefficient of friction. Fifteen participants were asked to apply a force with the tip of their fingers to hold a flattened rock (normal force), while a tangential force pulled the rock away. The coefficient of friction--that is, the ratio between the tangential force (pulling the rock) and the normal force (applied by the participants)--was calculated. Coating (chalk vs no chalk), dampness (water vs no water) and rock (sandstone, granite and slate) were manipulated. The results showed that chalk decreased the coefficient of friction. Sandstone was found to be less slippery than granite and slate. Finally, water had no significant effect on the coefficient of friction. The counter-intuitive effect of chalk appears to be caused by two independent factors. First, magnesium carbonate dries the skin, decreasing its compliance and hence reducing the coefficient of friction. Secondly, magnesium carbonate creates a slippery granular layer. We conclude that, to improve the coefficient of friction in rock climbing, an effort should be made to remove all particles of chalk; alternative methods for drying the fingers are preferable.

Another about training:

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Anthropometric, strength, endurance and flexibility characteristics of elite and recreational climbers.

* Grant S,
* Hynes V,
* Whittaker A,
* Aitchison T.

Institute of Biomedical and Life Sciences, University of Glasgow, UK.

There has been remarkable development in the scope and quality of rock climbing in recent years. However, there are scant data on the anthropometry, strength, endurance and flexibility of rock climbers. The aim of this study was to compare these characteristics in three groups of subjects-elite rock climbers, recreational climbers and non-climbers. The 30 male subjects were aged 28.8 +/- 8.1 (mean +/- S.D.) years. Group 1 (n = 10) comprised elite rock climbers who had led a climb of a minimum standard of 'E1' (E1-E9 are the highest climbing grades) within the previous 12 months; Group 2 (n = 10) comprised rock climbers who had achieved a standard no better than leading a climb considered 'severe' (a low climbing grade category); and Group 3 (n = 10) comprised physically active individuals who had not previously done any rock climbing. The test battery included tests of finger strength [grip strength, pincer (i.e. thumb and forefinger) strength, finger strength measured on climbing-specific apparatus], body dimensions, body composition, flexibility, arm strength and endurance, and abdominal endurance. The tests which resulted in significant differences (P < 0.05) between the three groups included the bent arm hang (elite 53.1 +/- 1.32 s; recreational 31.4 +/- 9.0 s; non-climbers 32.6 +/- 15.0 s) and pull-ups (elite 16.2 +/- 7.2 repetitions; recreational 3.0 +/- 4.0 reps; non-climbers 3.0 +/- 3.9 reps); for both tests, the elite climbers performed significantly better than the recreational climbers and non-climbers. Regression procedures (i.e. analysis of covariance) were used to examine the influence of body mass and length. Using adjusted means (i.e. for body mass and leg length), significant differences were obtained for the following: (1) finger strength, grip 1, four fingers (right hand) (elite 447 +/- 30 N; recreational 359 +/- 29 N; non-climbers 309 +/- 30 N), (2) grip strength (left hand) (elite 526 +/- 21 N; recreational 445 +/- 21 N; non-climbers 440 +/- 21 N), (3) pincer strength (right hand) (elite 95 +/- 5 N; recreational 69 +/- 5 N; non-climbers 70 +/- 5 N) and (4) leg span (elite 139 +/- 4 cm; recreational 122 +/- 4 cm; non-climbers 124 +/- 4 cm). For tests 3 and 4, the elite climbers performed significantly better than the recreational climbers and non-climbers for any variable. These results demonstrate that elite climbers have greater shoulder girdle endurance, finger strength and hip flexibility than recreational climbers and non-climbers. Those who aspire to lead 'E1' standard climbs or above should consider training programmes to enhance their finger strength, shoulder girdle strength and endurance, and hip flexibility.

Finally:

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Energy expenditure and physiological responses during indoor rock climbing.

* Mermier CM,
* Robergs RA,
* McMinn SM,
* Heyward VH.

Center for Exercise and Applied Human Physiology, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque 87131, USA.

OBJECTIVES: To report the physiological responses of indoor rock climbing. METHODS: Fourteen experienced climbers (nine men, five women) performed three climbing trials on an indoor climbing wall. Subjects performed three trials of increasing difficulty: (a) an easy 90 degrees vertical wall, (b) a moderately difficult negatively angled wall (106 degrees), and (c) a difficult horizontal overhang (151 degrees). At least 15 minutes separated each trial. Expired air was collected in a Douglas bag after four minutes of climbing and heart rate (HR) was recorded continuously using a telemetry unit. Arterialised blood samples were obtained from a hyperaemised ear lobe at rest and one or two minutes after each trial for measurement of blood lactate. RESULTS: Significant differences were found between trials for HR, lactate, oxygen consumption (VO2), and energy expenditure, but not for respiratory exchange ratio. Analysis of the HR and VO2 responses indicated that rock climbing does not elicit the traditional linear HR-VO2 relationship characteristic of treadmill and cycle ergometry exercise. During the three trials, HR increased to 74-85% of predicted maximal values and energy expenditure was similar to that reported for running at a moderate pace (8-11 minutes per mile). CONCLUSIONS: These data indicate that indoor rock climbing is a good activity to increase cardiorespiratory fitness and muscular endurance. In addition, the traditional HR-VO2 relationship should not be used in the analysis of this sport, or for prescribing exercise intensity for climbing.

Just do it...

Pascal


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pro_alien wrote:
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Use of 'chalk' in rock climbing: sine qua non or myth?

* Li FX,
* Margetts S,
* Fowler I.

Perception Action Laboratory, School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, The University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, UK. f.x.li@bham.ac.uk

Magnesium carbonate, or 'chalk', is used by rock climbers to dry their hands to increase the coefficient of friction, thereby improving the grip of the holds. To date, no scientific research supports this practice; indeed, some evidence suggests that magnesium carbonate could decrease the coefficient of friction. Fifteen participants were asked to apply a force with the tip of their fingers to hold a flattened rock (normal force), while a tangential force pulled the rock away. The coefficient of friction--that is, the ratio between the tangential force (pulling the rock) and the normal force (applied by the participants)--was calculated. Coating (chalk vs no chalk), dampness (water vs no water) and rock (sandstone, granite and slate) were manipulated. The results showed that chalk decreased the coefficient of friction. Sandstone was found to be less slippery than granite and slate. Finally, water had no significant effect on the coefficient of friction. The counter-intuitive effect of chalk appears to be caused by two independent factors. First, magnesium carbonate dries the skin, decreasing its compliance and hence reducing the coefficient of friction. Secondly, magnesium carbonate creates a slippery granular layer. We conclude that, to improve the coefficient of friction in rock climbing, an effort should be made to remove all particles of chalk; alternative methods for drying the fingers are preferable.

I call Bullshit on this "study." John Stannard (PhD, physics) did his own study on this years ago and measured a roughly 30% increase in the coefficient of static friction when chalk was used. If you don't like chalk--that's fine, and there are some legitimate reasons for not using chalk, but increased performance is certainly not one of them.

Curt


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curt wrote:
pro_alien wrote:
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Use of 'chalk' in rock climbing: sine qua non or myth?

* Li FX,
* Margetts S,
* Fowler I.

Perception Action Laboratory, School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, The University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, UK. f.x.li@bham.ac.uk

Magnesium carbonate, or 'chalk', is used by rock climbers to dry their hands to increase the coefficient of friction, thereby improving the grip of the holds. To date, no scientific research supports this practice; indeed, some evidence suggests that magnesium carbonate could decrease the coefficient of friction. Fifteen participants were asked to apply a force with the tip of their fingers to hold a flattened rock (normal force), while a tangential force pulled the rock away. The coefficient of friction--that is, the ratio between the tangential force (pulling the rock) and the normal force (applied by the participants)--was calculated. Coating (chalk vs no chalk), dampness (water vs no water) and rock (sandstone, granite and slate) were manipulated. The results showed that chalk decreased the coefficient of friction. Sandstone was found to be less slippery than granite and slate. Finally, water had no significant effect on the coefficient of friction. The counter-intuitive effect of chalk appears to be caused by two independent factors. First, magnesium carbonate dries the skin, decreasing its compliance and hence reducing the coefficient of friction. Secondly, magnesium carbonate creates a slippery granular layer. We conclude that, to improve the coefficient of friction in rock climbing, an effort should be made to remove all particles of chalk; alternative methods for drying the fingers are preferable.

I call Bullshit on this "study." John Stannard (PhD, physics) did his own study on this years ago and measured a roughly 30% increase in the coefficient of static friction when chalk was used. If you don't like chalk--that's fine, and there are some legitimate reasons for not using chalk, but increased performance is certainly not one of them.

Curt

They also only used a "flattened rock." Try pinches or slopers and they might find some new results.

-Josh


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Free full length peer reviewed journal articles from Physician and Sports Medicine, such as this article on hand injuries in rock climbers:

http://www.physsportsmed.com/...997/05may/jebson.htm


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I intended to write a training book based on evidence gleaned from the scientific/sporting/medical literature. I spent a year reading over 700 journal articles and many, many books. There is very little (almost nothing) out there (prospective, controlled, randomized, peer-reviewed, etc.) that supports the climbing training advice that's routinely dispensed.


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dana, would you care to elucidate us?


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Well, I realize that I made quite a broad statement, but it is difficult to distill a year's worth of work into one or two paragraphs. Perhaps as an example, plyometrics and isometrics. Many people have touted lyometrics as a training technique that is an advanced tool for building strength, but there is nothing in the literature that supports this, and a lot of data that says plyometrics don't increase strength. As regards isometrics, I never found anything that clearly answered the questions of how much, how often, and how intensely these workouts should be performed to optimally build strength. In the final analysis there are, for this as well as for many other training issues/questions, no solid facts that unequivocally support one point of view or another. There is little research and what there is, isn't very good. I don' t expect definite answers; I'm not that naive. But I don't think people should be advocating their training regimens as anything more than their opinions. One point I think is interesting. Many people say that you need to train isometric strength as different angles as the strength from one doesn't transfer to others. According to the data, that's only true in the shortened (<90 degrees) position of a joint angle. This post may not be too coherent, but I'm goofing off at work.


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exercise/sport science is waaaaay in its infancy, confident pronouncements of trainers and book authors notwithstanding.


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danabart wrote:
There is little research and what there is, isn't very good. I don' t expect definite answers; I'm not that naive. But I don't think people should be advocating their training regimens as anything more than their opinions.

Granted, I for one would love to see more research in this area, but what you are implying is that a seasoned coch does not know what they are talking aobut until their methods are quantified by the scientific comunity. Clearly there are many examples in which this is not the case.

Clinical knowledge is powerful and wonderful and something I want more of, but we can also learn a heck of a lot through documenting our experimentation with different training methods. We can chart short and long term development progressions keeping tabs of performance level, training load, intensity and frequency and compare this to changes in performance level across different climbers, or to ourselves at different times. Even doing this at an informal, sub-clinical standard tells us a great deal, and certainly represents more than speculation or opinion. doesn't it?

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One point I think is interesting. Many people say that you need to train isometric strength as different angles as the strength from one doesn't transfer to others. According to the data, that's only true in the shortened (<90 degrees) position of a joint angle. This post may not be too coherent, but I'm goofing off at work.

Doesn't transfer or doesn't transfer that well?

I've read numerous articles on this topic and I don't recall the literature being quite as uniform as you suggest. I did read a few that stated that the maximum strength gains were found within 15 degrees of the angle used in training. Now the particular study I'm thinking of looked spicifically at the knee joint. Would things be different for the PIP? probably not, but I guess I can't say for sure.

But in climbing we don't exactly need clinical trials to tell us that there is a difference because experience makes clear that there is a huge difference between crimping and using slopers, even if that difference has not been quantified (say in terms of degree of difference at the PIP.). It would be great if it were, but to date it has not been. So until it is, experience suggests that excellent results are achieved when the forearm flexors are trained for climbing using different angles at the PIP joint. Is this so wrong? Do you strongly disagree? If so could you explain?


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Dana,

I'd like to keep this thread very civil and open to divergent opinions, but I'm curious, if you studied these reports with the goal of writing a book it would seem like you could distill that knowledge into a few key bullet points (think of the synopsis included on the back jacket of the book). Also, if you could post the cites to the studies you're refering to regarding plyometrics I'd be interested, especially regarding how these refer to climbing.

Thanks!


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It all depends on what level/definition of proof you're willing to accept as proof. I didn't completely discount the value of anecdotal, empirical experience, but it is what it is.
As regards the plyometrics, I'll look through my notes in the next few days, try and put together something relatively complete, and send it along to you. The short answer is that plyometrics, when peformed properly (and there are many variables) may be valuable in that they decrease the amount of time it takes to apply maximum force. But performing plyometrics properly is tricky. You need to have the correct load (and it's not clear what that is), the stretch must be of a certain length and at a certain speed and over a certain period of time, the time between the stretch and the subsequent contraction must be precise and so on.


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Here's an old peer-reviewed article that drew on guidebook data and a mathematical model to describe the motivations behind social change in our "cumulative neophilic" game:

Hamilton, L.C. 1979. “Modern American rock climbing: Some aspects of social change.” Pacific Sociological Review 22:285–308.


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danabart wrote:
It all depends on what level/definition of proof you're willing to accept as proof. I didn't completely discount the value of anecdotal, empirical experience, but it is what it is.

Sorry I'm probably just going to sound like a thorn in Dana's side, which is not what I intend, but I think this thread and the above comment might be missing an important point.

Taking it as a given that more clinically based knowledge of climbing is a good thing, I don't think we should discount empirical knowledge at all if its of a certain kind. The reason for this is that mechanics and kinesiology provide us with powerful tools for understanding movement and how to train it. For example, there are well defined methods for qualitative and quantitative observations that have long been established in Kinesiology. If one is using these methods to assess the performance of a climber this produces perfectly valid information without being the sort of thing that is subject to peer review. To insist upon clinical testing or peer review in this context is like saying that a radiologist can't be sure they have properly interpreted an X-ray of a basic fracture until they have published an article about that X-ray. Clearly this would be absurd.

I guess I just want to make sure that the desire to better understand the current research environment does not contain within it the idea that peer-review research is superior to other well established and perfectly legit scientific or empirical methods. peer reviewed studies serve an important function, but rigorous qualitative observations (for example) of climbing movement are of greater importance at this historical moment, but they are not the sort of thing that would necessarily be of interest in the world of peer-reviewed journals.

Sorry about the thread jack there Sidepull. I think its a good thread, and I'm just trying to add to it by opening the issue of what types of knowledge we have available to us and what purposes they serve.


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spoon wrote:
taping the base of your finger won't prevent A2 pulley ruptures. corpse hands prove it. look at the related articles, as they're interesting too.

abstract

I guess thats useful information . . . if you're a corpse.


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Here's a list from Eric Hoerst's site:

http://trainingforclimbing.com/new/research.shtml

Note that the "finger taping/cavader" study, and the "chalk reduces friction" study are excluded. Hoerst has commented in his book that he thinks those studies are crap science. No, he is not a scientist. But he has spent many years researching, interviewing doctors, training climbers, etc. and I consider him knowledgeable in this topic.


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fluxus wrote:
Taking it as a given that more clinically based knowledge of climbing is a good thing, I don't think we should discount empirical knowledge at all if its of a certain kind. The reason for this is that mechanics and kinesiology provide us with powerful tools for understanding movement and how to train it. For example, there are well defined methods for qualitative and quantitative observations that have long been established in Kinesiology. If one is using these methods to assess the performance of a climber this produces perfectly valid information without being the sort of thing that is subject to peer review.
I guess I just want to make sure that the desire to better understand the current research environment does not contain within it the idea that peer-review research is superior to other well established and perfectly legit scientific or empirical methods. peer reviewed studies serve an important function, but rigorous qualitative observations (for example) of climbing movement are of greater importance at this historical moment, but they are not the sort of thing that would necessarily be of interest in the world of peer-reviewed journals.

Quanitative observations are the foundation for creating peer reviewed studies later. I see it as gathering data to understand the specs by which you measure what you're looking for in clinical studies, but it doesn't really tell you anything about implementing training methodologies or what "really" works. It just tells you what "is" under xyz circumstances....as does qualitative observations. But you can't seriously and credibly advocate training principles based on only qualitative analysis. And I disagree that that is historically most important now.

I agree with danabart, I read so much bullshit out there in terms of fitness and training techniques for climbers. Also, plyometrics has mainly been studied and implemented for more mainstream athletes like football, tennis, volleyball, soccer, basketball players and so on. A lot of that focuses on lower body plyo drills, but this may not be applicable to climbers...or not to all climbing disciplines. Standard upper body plyo drills in existence may not cross over to climbing well either...I have no idea, I'm just theorizing based on my experience training power athletes with plyometric techniques.

I read an article in the last few months in Climbing magazine that advised how climbers should use an extreme form of isometric strength training to gain power. This is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard!!! Attention, people: keep in mind Climbing magazine (and others) need NEW and EXCITING articles that aren't the same old thing to keep your dollars flowing in, and they may take liberties with what they print. The kind of isometric training the author advocated was not only a) stupid and pointless, but b) potentially dangerous and injurious and c) sometimes difficult and unrealistic to set up for long term compliance.

Of all muscle contraction types, isometric is the LEAST LIKELY to develop power. I have attended many, many continuing education conferences, seminars, and workshops over the years taught by premier strength and conditioning professionals in the industry, and NEVER ONCE has this ridiculous form of isometric training been advocated or even mentioned in any way, shape or form. Please don't take advice from these mags--they have a vested interest in selling a product, not educating scientifically (nor do editors even have the education to discern what is or isn't credible).

Keep in mind that some of the studies posted earlier by people on this thread were only ONE STUDY on the issue and I noticed many had very, very small sample sizes...Meaning their results are not very conclusive until repeated and larger studies are conducted.


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It looks like Dana and Aerilli's comments confirm the old climber's maxim:

The only exercise that improves climbing is: climbing.


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redpoint73 wrote:
Here's a list from Eric Hoerst's site:

http://trainingforclimbing.com/new/research.shtml

Note that the "finger taping/cavader" study, and the "chalk reduces friction" study are excluded. Hoerst has commented in his book that he thinks those studies are crap science. No, he is not a scientist. But he has spent many years researching, interviewing doctors, training climbers, etc. and I consider him knowledgeable in this topic.

I called BS on the "chalk study" earlier in this thread--and I also think the conclusions of the "taping" study (above) are incorrect. However, I printed out and read all six pages of the "chalk" study, expecting to find some fundamental flaw in that study that would explain its odd findings. Instead, I can't find any obvious error they made in their experiments--or in their data collection and analysis.

Still, there must be some reason that the findings of that study do not correlate with real-world climbing experience. I, for one, would like very much to know why the results of that study do not reflect what other direct observations demonstrate--i.e. that chalk increases the coefficient of friction between your hand and the rock. Any thoughts?

Curt


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curt wrote:
Still, there must be some reason that the findings of that study do not correlate with real-world climbing experience. I, for one, would like very much to know why the results of that study do not reflect what other direct observations demonstrate--i.e. that chalk increases the coefficient of friction between your hand and the rock. Any thoughts?
Curt

I haven't read the paper, but their surprising claim in the abstrac that water does not affect the friction coefficient makes me guess that the method they have used to calculate the friction coefficient does not reflect very well the real world....

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