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majid_sabet
May 14, 2005, 2:59 AM
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Sherpas recommends 1000 meter ascent in 3 days above 12000 feet (4000 meter) rest on the 4th day and start ascending, if you got to 15000 feet see how you do, if you can not sleep, you got this big 18wheeler riding over your head descend 1000 meter , rest and ascend again, if you can get PulseOx ($250) take one with you and check your O2 level in your blood, I check mine in Himalaya @ 12000 feet it was 72%, I check in 17000 feet and it was 92% in 3 days, I check in 20000 feet and I was still doing above 90%.Take I.B prophine or asprin from day 1 above 8000 feet, you may want to cheat and take Diamox (it has its own problem), in my team 1 guy took viagra, that may work but let your body do the work first then go on pile, I was about to die in 15000 feet cause I ascended too fast, I drop to lower altitude and I was running like a dog up hills and booked 20500 without any problem using 1000 meter per 4 days methods.
Remember it makes no different if you run 10 miles a day, some people have problem with altitude no matter what they do, do not push it if your body is not up for it, it will kill you .
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reno
May 15, 2005, 1:15 AM
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In reply to: My personal opinion is that you dont need to do anything special until 18000 bellow that theres oxygen galore
Same concentration of oxygen molecules at 18,000 as 1800. Or 18, for that matter.
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climbingcowboy
May 15, 2005, 6:36 AM
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heres a quick little article, being in shape of course hlps but two big things is drinking lots and takeing your time like driving up a day early to make it easier on your body
http://www.rockclimbing.com/articles/index.php?id=90
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nonick
May 15, 2005, 7:24 AM
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http://www.ciwec-clinic.com/altitude/
http://www.project-himalaya.com/info-ams.html
Just a few links for help..
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knowsam
May 16, 2005, 2:07 AM
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I'm not going to buy one but what about the hypoxic air machines. Wouldn't training with one of them help?
Cheers Sean
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reno
May 16, 2005, 5:06 AM
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In reply to: I'm not going to buy one but what about the hypoxic air machines. Wouldn't training with one of them help?
Theoretically, yes. In reality, it's a wash. Any gains you make are lost within 72 hours of non-use. IOW, if the last time you train in a hypoxia chamber is Sunday, any real gains are lost by Wednesday (Thursday, latest.)
Best bets: Good overall cardio fitness level, adequate hydration, and cautious aclimitization.
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wingnut
May 16, 2005, 12:35 PM
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In reply to: I'm not going to buy one but what about the hypoxic air machines. Wouldn't training with one of them help? Cheers Sean
A hypoxic air machine pumps nitrogen rich air right? how does it work?
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hillbilly
May 16, 2005, 1:38 PM
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Howdy, your interest in altitude effects and training reflect traditional time tested routines and minimal scientific support. The most dangerous effects of high altitude, high altitude cerebral edma and high altitude pulmonary edma, are a result of low atmospheric pressure not low oxygen availability. The quick push and retreat training dodges these worst case, often fatal, conditions. For an understanding of the general high altitude malaise a little body chemistry is helpful. The immediate nausea and vomiting found is generally a result of hyperventilation alkalination. The loss of carbon dioxide from rapid breathing raises blood pH. The kidneys if well hydrated can counter this effect, but it will take hours. Acclimation is allowing the blood chemistry even out. The process of producing more red blood cells, a slowing respiratory rate, will be activated but will take weeks. Unless you have a generous time table, a hypobaric tent can help prepare you. For a quick push to the top, a few aspirin and a slower respiratory pace will serve you well. For HACE and HAPE above review the symptoms and physiology, they are your greatest concern, not the trail pizzas you leave behind.
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