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nrg_sr_climber
Dec 19, 2005, 5:58 PM
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Hello,
I’m an art major and a rock climbing. So this past semester I created some art work that is climbing related. These paintings are in my studio space at my college so they will not be able to be shipped till January 20th. Have a look and tell me what you think.
http://img.buzznet.com/...g-113495453288-2.jpg
Tattoo Wall (Bubba City, New River Gorge)
18x24 inches, Oil on board
$300/free shipping for the continental US
http://img.buzznet.com/...g-113495453462-2.jpg
Excellent Buttress (Summersville Lake)
18x24 inches, Oil on board
$300/free shipping for the continental US
http://img.buzznet.com/...g-113495453645-2.jpg
The New River
42x72 inches, Oil on canvas
Price upon request
The paintings can be shipping on January 20th or 10 days after receiving payment, whichever comes first. Money orders are the prefer payment method. Buyers outside the continental US will have to pay for shipping.
Happy Holidays
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ryanb
Dec 19, 2005, 7:00 PM
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First off your work is very ascetically pleasing and I feel that the complex forms created out of repeated elements really do capture something of the climbing experience.
That said, I find it interesting that gear figures so prominently in your work, particularly as it all seems to be in like new condition.
Essentially what you are doing then is presenting equipment designs of others over your own descriptions of locations of significant personal import? Approaching this from an anthropology standpoint I detect a kind of mimetic interplay with the advertising industry. I.E. climbing adds use a visual medium to encourage us to frame our experience in terms of material items.
In presenting your own juxtaposition of material article and climbing location you are 'repossessing' the visual space that is generally the property of the advertising industry by bringing it into the artistic domain which is your own. This is a very powerful and very basically human act (See Tausig's 'Mimiesis and Alterity').
Looking at the three paintings the third is the most basically visually pleasing, the graceful arch and the object presented from many angles. However, the first, with the quick draws is the most interesting because in presenting a mismatched set of quick draws it presents objects who's author is not just some designer at petzl but the climber who collected and uses them. Thus it begins to exist outside of the commercialisation of our sport.
I would encourage you, if you continue to explore the material culture of climbing, to look more and more to things companies don't sell. Missmatched amalgamations, wear pattens on old gear, knots and hand tied runners, crazy protection schemes...things that can't be advertised.
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veganboyjosh
Dec 19, 2005, 7:21 PM
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what he said.
also, i'd like to see some more. i'm interested to see what happens when you move (even slightly) away from the "topo + gear + vertical stripes" motif. it looks good, and would go nicely in someone's house who has more money than i(i tend to move alot, and art gets trashed in the process). good luck selling it.
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akornylak
Dec 19, 2005, 7:38 PM
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I like the colors.
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kman
Dec 19, 2005, 8:16 PM
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I don't like them. I just cant stand stripes that's all.
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jt512
Dec 19, 2005, 8:21 PM
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If you look closely you can just make out the REI stickers on those draws.
Jay
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nicklikesfire
Dec 19, 2005, 9:47 PM
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I drew this:
http://ic1.deviantart.com/...by_nicklikesfire.jpg
for my Drawing one class. (Clearly we are looking at the left hand side of the page, as the topic is climbing art). I had to draw a totall of six peliminary self portriats for an assignment, so one of them is of me climbing. I'm pretty sure I used a photo I found somewhere on this site as a refrence too.
If it's not good, it's because I'm a mechanical engineering major, not an art major.
If the image doesn't work, it's because I'm dumb.
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Dec 19, 2005, 9:56 PM
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Each painting looks like 3 different paintings. Your illustatoresque approach to painting the gear doesn't compliment the topos or silhouette and....well the stripes aren't working. Painting floating objects is rudimentary. I think you should do a still life of gear either strewn on a rock or hanging from a rack and use a more interesting background or an out of focus background similar to a photograph. Have objects coming into and out of the frame. I'd like to see more vibrant colors! So your technique is good but your color and design need some work. I love the fact that you've got the guts to paint 6' paintings and would like to see your work as you continue to develop. Keep on painting.
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marc801
Dec 19, 2005, 10:12 PM
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They look computer generated, are visually jarring in an unpleasant way, aesthetically lacking, aren't evocative of any particular feeling (except perhaps that of a discarded proposal of a magazine ad campaign), and are amateurish at best. Your asking prices are the height of hubris.
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veganboyjosh
Dec 19, 2005, 11:07 PM
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In reply to: They look computer generated, are visually jarring in an unpleasant way, aesthetically lacking, aren't evocative of any particular feeling (except perhaps that of a discarded proposal of a magazine ad campaign), and are amateurish at best.
all marks of a successful piece, in my book. they obviously moved this guy.
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bwaltner
Dec 19, 2005, 11:17 PM
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if you can get someone to pay you $300 for one of those, more power to you. personally i'd make my own artwork before paying any money for something like that
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marc801
Dec 19, 2005, 11:32 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: They look computer generated, are visually jarring in an unpleasant way,... all marks of a successful piece, in my book. they obviously moved this guy. |
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veganboyjosh
Dec 19, 2005, 11:43 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: They look computer generated, are visually jarring in an unpleasant way,... all marks of a successful piece, in my book. they obviously moved this guy. I agree with your underlying premise that successful art engenders an emotional response. It can be love, awe, inspriation, disgust, viceral hate, or a multitude of others - all are valid. Admittedly my post made it sound as if I were moved, however, boredom or ennui would be more accurate descriptors.
heh. moved enough to post you were. and if it bored you so much that it moved you to post that you're bored, did it not move you?
(oh no, not this again.)
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nrg_sr_climber
Dec 19, 2005, 11:45 PM
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Its all good. Art is very subjective, if you don't like my paintings it is ok with me as long as you tell me why. Other then I like the color or I just cant stand stripes. And for the price art takes awhile to create and the materials used are not cheap.
Merry Christmas
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roadstead
Dec 20, 2005, 12:18 AM
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In reply to: Its all good. Art is very subjective, if you don't like my paintings it is ok with me as long as you tell me why. |
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cam
Dec 20, 2005, 2:37 AM
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I like art that engages and bewilders me. If I can look at a piece right off and say "oh, I get it", I usually move on because the artist didn't try hard enough. Of course, there is the small chance that the artist dumbed-it-down on purpose and then I would be very, very wrong in my assumption. Further, I may in fact be incorrect in my conclusion of the piece and therefore not "get it" at all.
I am quite comfortable taking that chance though, as in my experience (however limited it may be) artists are for the most part much to self indulgent to dumb-down anything. Dumbing-down is usually what happens when the marketing department gets hold of the piece. Oh, there I've gone and painted a bulls-eye for the marketing crowd and their flame-throwers.
I'm not saying that self indulgence is a bad trait. Art, though sometimes prodded by outside influences, always comes from within and a lack of self indulgence would make for a very boring canvas, no?
In my opinion, an artist has a duty to draw a response from their audience and any work that does not accomplish this end is a colossal failure. Any response at all is a triumph. Having someone totally slam a piece is the most delicious triumph of all. Perhaps a person hates a piece because their frustration at not understanding it prevents them from feeling any other way about it. Perhaps the piece challenges their notions of what art should be. Perhaps the piece has made the person uncomfortable. A negative reaction is always, in my opinion, more desirable than indifference.
Oh yes, the comfort zone. I especially like those who dismiss anything outside the accepted boundaries of what constitutes art as being something other than art. I especially get a kick out of art "teachers", "dealers" and "critics" that dismiss a piece as worthless. Truly, their heads are shoved so far up their own asses they cannot possibly be expected to recognize something for what it is. Personally, I would never, ever purchase a piece from anyone who claims it to be superior to another as they clearly have no business being involved in the craft.
I like the following as an example though it must be understood that I do not intend to challenge the author, but only the notions expressed...
In reply to: They look computer generated, are visually jarring in an unpleasant way, aesthetically lacking, aren't evocative of any particular feeling (except perhaps that of a discarded proposal of a magazine ad campaign), and are amateurish at best. Your asking prices are the height of hubris.
Though the above quote does seem to be written in an overly snooty-art-critic fashion, so I will allow the possibility that it was written tongue-in-cheek.
Anyhoo, right away the artist has succeeded in drawing a response from this person. Game over, the artist has won.
Your asking price is spot on for someone out there. You just have to find that person. For that matter, raise the price to $1000. The fact remains the same. You will find someone who will see it as a steal regardless of the sticker price. Value, much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
m2c.
cam out.
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helios
Dec 20, 2005, 3:18 AM
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In reply to: In my opinion, an artist has a duty to draw a response from their audience and any work that does not accomplish this end is a colossal failure. ... Anyhoo, right away the artist has succeeded in drawing a response from this person. Game over, the artist has won.
I mostly agree with you except on one detail: The artist should define what the response is for his/her audience. I think art is the successful communication of an idea or emotion from artist to audience.
For some reason, I don't believe the OP intended to evoke a response that is "visually jarring in an unpleasant way." But if he did, then it was successful with me too :shock:
I do like the idea of featuring topos in a painting, I think you should expand off of that a little more?
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nrg_sr_climber
Dec 20, 2005, 3:18 AM
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In reply to: They look computer generated, are visually jarring in an unpleasant way, aesthetically lacking, aren't evocative of any particular feeling (except perhaps that of a discarded proposal of a magazine ad campaign), and are amateurish at best
The pieces were not meant to be easy on the eye. I am with Cam on this, if it is easy to understand/easy to look at then it will be long forgotten from your memory. The bright colors and stripes were painted with the intent to engage you and make it unsettling to look at. Keep the comments coming whether they are you like it or you don't. Any comments are better then none. If more people would like to see more of my work as I paint this coming semester I will post pics of new paintings as I finish them. When I get a website set up I will post the address.
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nrg_sr_climber
Dec 20, 2005, 3:25 AM
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The topos were hand drawn on paper with a sharpie marker. Then I attached the paper maps on top of the striped background. Then I painted the draws and biners on top of the stripes and topos. I plan to expand with the topos and silhouettes in the next semester.
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kman
Dec 20, 2005, 3:26 AM
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Art shmart. Bottom line is it's ugly and you'll be hard pressed to get money for them IMO.
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marc801
Dec 20, 2005, 5:27 AM
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In reply to: I am with Cam on this, if it is easy to understand/easy to look at then it will be long forgotten from your memory. |
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alter_nate
Dec 20, 2005, 5:33 AM
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OK, I'll bite, for what it's worth.
I admire that you seem to be exploring pure form with climbing related imagery (except the stripes, of course), rather than depicting the act of climbing, which often comes across as cheesy in paintings. (Photography simply accomplishes this so much more effectively.)
Your work obviously hinges off the Pop movement, but makes less of a statement. Though compositionally interesting and graphically appealing,
I wish the images were "saying" something more - to me, anyways.
Perhaps they ARE "saying" something for you, but if it requires a written explanation or thesis, than I feel it isn't "working". Obviously, the exploration of form alone is justifiable in art, and not all art has to make some grand statement. But to be successful at this - or "relevant" if you will, I personally feel the work has to go beyond mere decoration, and at least be incredibly unique thru it's use of material, juxtaposition, contrast, texture, whatever.
Keep at it!
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Dec 20, 2005, 6:17 AM
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In reply to: Its all good. Art is very subjective, if you don't like my paintings it is ok with me as long as you tell me why. Other then I like the color or I just cant stand stripes. And for the price art takes awhile to create and the materials used are not cheap. Merry Christmas
i dont like your 'paintings' because they look like a collage of photographs.
i do, however, like nick's drawing because it looks like it was actually drawn and it is original- not just some copy of someone else's work (c'mon, a Petzl Reverso?...)
i'm all for subjective art- but let's not kid ourselves.... :roll:
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Dec 20, 2005, 6:32 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In my opinion, an artist has a duty to draw a response from their audience and any work that does not accomplish this end is a colossal failure. ... Anyhoo, right away the artist has succeeded in drawing a response from this person. Game over, the artist has won. I mostly agree with you except on one detail: The artist should define what the response is for his/her audience. I think art is the successful communication of an idea or emotion from artist to audience. For some reason, I don't believe the OP intended to evoke a response that is "visually jarring in an unpleasant way." But if he did, then it was successful with me too :shock: I do like the idea of featuring topos in a painting, I think you should expand off of that a little more?
I'm an art major and I don't really get much out of his art. Yeah it's different but I don't even find it unpleasant. I find it simply indifferent. Very cookie cutter. There were at least 10 pieces of work similar to that (sans the draws) hanging in the hallways.
As far evoking emotion through art, Tolstoy got it right (in my opinion), though he was a bit too strict in his approach. An artist should should try to convey an emotion, tell a story I suppse. If the audience can share that same feeling, then that work is sucessful. Take Edward Munch's "Scream" - now that image really convays what's happening in someone's head.
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nrg_sr_climber
Dec 21, 2005, 1:38 AM
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Happy Holidays to all and be safe when traveling. For those of you who will be climbing Christmas day I wish I could.
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