I have found that Island peak is commonly referred to as a 'trekking' peak, and a 'warm up' peak.

Triznut said


Are you serious? Do you actually believe that climbing a 20,000 ft peak is safer that driving a car? A lot more people die in cars then on mountains, because allot more people drive cars than climb mountains. I would like anyone who has the time to supply us with the numbers that say climbing is safer than driving, this is a ridiculous claim that I highly doubt anyone could back up. I don’t know who has a better grasp on reality, Triznut or the 8 year old.

Climbing on any level means being dependent on your self and your partners. If it did hit the fan, what could a little kid do to save his partners or himself? Im guessing very little.

jred said

Well put

triznut, You are clearly an idiot who is incapable of forming any sort of coherent argument to back your......point?
Can you not figure out that driving in a car is far safer STATISTICALLY? Do you know what that means? Have you even bothered reading the arguments against this activity for an eight year old? Can you make arguments in favor of this activity?
When has anyone said anything about trying to tell parents how to raise their kids? This is called a discussion you f---ing moron, what is so hard to understand about that?
You should learn to spell correctly or at the very least use spell check, you last post made you look really stupid.

I'm not trying to make a valid argument s---... I really could careless about this 8yro (except for the fact that it's an amazing feat) and the reasons why you give a krap about him doing this mtn (jealousy :oops: ). But I guess your not intelligent enough to pickup on that, huh moron?? Let's find out how intelligent you really are...Now, I understand that you're a f---ing, gayass b----, hoe!

We'll let you boil on that one for a while...

Sorry if I have offended anyone else here :oops: . Time to grow up now :D

Hahahah.....just what I though.
Line-bait-hooked, you're about as intelligent as a fish Jred. Don't you have better things to-do than argue with me??
Wow, nobody called anybody a fag here... Gay can also mean "happy" you "happyass"! Plus I was just proving something....which you still haven't picked up on... Oh well. I know when enough is enough. Nice having this discusion with you Jred. Hope you got what you wanted out of it? Maybe next time it'll be a little more productive...

Reality....What is that??? hehehe

Well sure I'm not comparing apples to apples, and yes your right, a lot more people drive cars then climb mountains, but that doesn't make the risks go away. The dangers are all still there. Either way I don't care....Hear me!? I don't care... So quit worrying about other peoples kids and fukin worry about your own and if you don't have any then shut the fukup completely. I don't need any selfrigious a$$holes fuking up what I can and can't do with my kids.... There's some fukin reality for you....

; ) hehehe

As for the question at hand: I'm no expert in kids, or in high altitude mountaineering, so I've no opinion on that subject.

But I do have something to say.

All y'all putting a blanket party on Jred should be ashamed of yourselves. She asked a f---ing question you didn't like. Big deal. Get a grip.

JRed: f--- these guys. If your question was about anyone else on any other topic that would be one thing, but if the news story involve parents, suddenly these ass-hats feel personally insulted by you. Suddenly you're the holy inquisition, breathing down their neck and telling them what they can and cannot do with their own children. I've seen it plenty of times before, and it's sick. Makes me wonder if some of these folks would rather not examine too closely what they're doing with their own kids. Don't know, but it just makes me wonder.

Y'all can call me any name in the book, go right ahead. I think you've got blinders on, and you see red any time anyone questions anything any parent does. How about this: how about if you calm the f--- down and behave like the adults you claim to be.

People f--- up their kids all the time, despite thinking what they're doing is right. Not saying I could do any better, but why is it so taboo to just ask the goddamn question? Seems to me that parents that fly off the handle at a question like JRed's have issues that aren't going to get resolved by putting a beat-down on an anonymous internet poster.

Oh, and I did plenty of stuff when I was a kid. Doesn't mean I have any problem with someone questioning where to draw the line.

GO

Cracklover, good points. I am lame... My first comments to this post (month or so ago) were bad points and misunderstood... Then when I came back to it today, I decided to play a silly little game. My bad!
Jred, you have every right to question these parents... Just try not to waste to much time worrying about it... Thats my 2cents, you can throw all the other change back.

. . . I was never really worried about it, I just thought it was a topic worthy of discussion. There is nothing said on this forum that would offend me personally, anytime I am angered by anyone's comments I just remember our common bond, boredom at work and, oh yeah rock climbing.

I agree there is something weird and even selfish on the parents part. What is the hurry to get an eight year old doing such things, at eight years the child has not experienced much in life. What is the big rush to get him into potentially life endangering situations? To think that an eight year old is aware of the dangers and can make a calculated assessment of the risks is absurd.

Um, how you feel personally about it has no bearing on their decision making process whatsoever, and since I doubt you have had a daily involvement in their lives, you don't get to offer input. You are an armchair quarterback, the worst kind at that.

Sorry. I'm just not impressed by rich white kids whose rich white parents have the time and money to do these kinds of things.

That's why I'm not impressed by a lot of Olympians. There's nothing terribly bad-ass about having rich parents that allow you to train round-the-clock while they pay for everything.

So yeah. Kids like this will be climbing 5.19 and doing laps on Everest within ten years. Not too impressive. Maybe if they'd done it on their own (and discovered climbing ON THEIR OWN) I'd be whistling a different tune.

In a normal discussion even a person who stands his ground would at least acknowledge other opinions and ideas as something to consider. Every time I read jred's post I have been under the impression that other ideas only mean that no body understands what jred is saying. Though I think we all get it. I was scared to death when I put my kids in a harness, when I realized he was old enough to hunt, when he was allowed to drive the tractor (and realized a consequence

But jred opened up a "discussion" on 20,000 foot peaks that has nothing in common with any other dangers in life

I agree there is something weird and even selfish on the parents part. What is the hurry to get an eight year old doing such things, at eight years the child has not experienced much in life. What is the big rush to get him into potentially life endangering situations? To think that an eight year old is aware of the dangers and can make a calculated assessment of the risks is absurd.

The scariest thing I ever did as a parent was allow my kids to walk to school. They've been on mountain peaks, they've skied through the trees, they've canoed in the currents of the Juan De'Fuca, they've ridden in a car, they've eaten trans fats, they've shot pistols and shot guns, they've mountain biked on a rocky narrow path down hill between trees, they've climbed harder routes than myself. None of this apparently has anything to do with a 20,000 foot climb. Apparently you could never be alone in any of these situations

Why would stymingersfink say such a thing?

I spent three summers working with kids at summer camp and i can guarantee you that by the end of a two week session I would make different decisions about which kids would be allowed to enter a corral alone and which ones couldn't, even at the age of 8. I then spent a few years working with kids for a portion of a day. I would not be capable of making such a decision for these kids at all.

Yes jred, some parents are stupid. We had kids show up for a two week open air cabin environment without sleeping bags, and their parents drove decent cars. I would not advise these parents to take their kid up a 20,000 foot peak. Again, I'm not planning on taking mine. But they allowed their kid to take a risk and sent them to an unknown place were they would actually take the chance of getting bug bites, drowning, and getting bucked off a horse. (Of course this has nothing to do with dangerous situations.)

The benefits of this sort of climb?
How can I answer if nothing I can relate it to is not a 20,000 foot climb?

nYou will listothing that is not at "the same danger" level.

You wonder why we parents are offended when you refer to any of us who are willing to lead a kid that we LIVE with a real experience selfish? Ignorant? We as parents who take the time to know our kids want the best for our kid. We want them to learn responsibility, what it means to be human. Getting rewarded even when taking responsibility was not apparent, and the idea that food comes from the store is not human. To be a responsible human- risks must take place

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:Other dangers are not being discussed, we are talking about one activity here. If you want to talk about parents taking other risks with their children start a new thread.

lewisiarediviva, you said you let your kids go mountain biking and hunting by themselves.

I have considered the opinions that actually address what we are discussing. I considered the opinions of those that gave details explaining why the climb Aidan did was not very extreme and therefore not very dangerous to Aidan. . . I have given no consideration to off topic, irrelevant comparisons of other less dangerous activities.