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sandlixard
Aug 27, 2006, 6:03 PM
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I've noticed many people at my local gym doing push-ups on paralletes for training. I am wondering why people think it is such a good exercise for climbing. What type of movement in climbing are you ever going to be pushing away from something like this?
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lazide
Aug 27, 2006, 6:09 PM
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If I don't do them, I get 'climbers elbow' (i.e. aches in the outside of the elbow) when I've been pulling harder than normal for awhile.
Also helps with mantels and OW
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campustrampus
Aug 27, 2006, 6:17 PM
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When building a certain muscle group in your body it is usually a good idea to build the antagonist muscles as well. If you don't you could end up with tendon problems or somethin'.
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sandlixard
Aug 27, 2006, 6:24 PM
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In reply to: When building a certain muscle group in your body it is usually a good idea to build the antagonist muscles as well. If you don't you could end up with tendon problems or somethin'
Good Point. I never thought about that.
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anykineclimb
Aug 27, 2006, 7:32 PM
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pushups aren't just about using your chest. you're using your core to keep your body straight, you calves are helping your feet and your arms are involved too.
if you really want to get crazy, try some planche pushups on the parralettes.
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ewtotel
Aug 27, 2006, 7:59 PM
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Time to show off my ignorance, but what are "paralletes?" I've googled and tried wikipedia, but still can't figure it out...
Thanks...
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dynoho
Aug 27, 2006, 8:32 PM
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I think they are the push-up bars that allow you to descend beyond your hand placement. If I'm correct, they would allow for a greater range of motion than the typical hands on the floor. I had to look this up myself.
All other comments about opposing muscle groups and tendon strain/muscle pulls would be accurate.
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ewtotel
Aug 27, 2006, 8:34 PM
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ok ... thanks. I was guessing something along those lines...
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tim
Aug 27, 2006, 8:43 PM
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parallettes:
http://www.unitedathletic.com/images/Parallettes.jpg
Try some pushups on them with your feet elevated and your body held rigidly straight (eg. proper pushup form). If you can, try doing them out of a handstand. The latter is the exact opposite of a pullup.
Dips (and to a lesser extent pushups) are excellent for developing the muscles used for manteling, something which a lot of people seem to suck at these days. (hmmm, wonder why... kind of like chimneying) As previously mentioned, anything that prevents gross muscle imbalances tends to be a good thing for preventing tendinosis, as well.
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jaybro
Aug 27, 2006, 9:55 PM
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sometimes they help it go away.
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sandlixard
Aug 28, 2006, 1:32 AM
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In reply to: if you really want to get crazy, try some planche pushups on the parralettes.
I wish. maybe tuck planche pushups for now. i'd like to get to be able to do a full-range handstand push-up also. gymnastics seem to be a very good compliment to climbing.
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anykineclimb
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In reply to: In reply to: if you really want to get crazy, try some planche pushups on the parralettes. I wish. maybe tuck planche pushups for now. i'd like to get to be able to do a full-range handstand push-up also. gymnastics seem to be a very good compliment to climbing.
Thats about all I can do is a tuck planche; but working on it!!
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sandlixard
Aug 28, 2006, 3:18 PM
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before i left for college a few weeks ago i had started to do planche leans on the rings we had at our house (my dad used to do gymnastics). I can get to about a 45 degree angle. I think that is the best exercise to work up to a planche. also iron cross holds at as far out on your arms as possible are an excellent workout.
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harihari
Sep 2, 2006, 8:36 PM
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ALso very important-- military press. This is where you hold a free weight beside your head, palms forward (ie same position as climbing) and then you extend your arm so you hold it up as high as you can. Basically this is the standard climbing move in reverse.
VERY importnat to build opposition muscles in all groups. Situps (with unanchored feet) and leg-lifts are also crucial. Even btter-- leg lifts while hanging from a hangboard or bar.
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mr_shenanigans
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i think the reason for doing push-up is that while you climb your bicepts, tricepts and back(lats and traps, plus some others) get a major workout, in order to get stronger faster you must balance out your body, and your muscle groups, you cant overdevelope one muscle group and leave the other weak, you'll look weird and it causes many injurys. So you need to workout your chest and abs, the easiest way to do that is push-ups.
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brianmccully
Sep 3, 2006, 7:46 PM
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What gym do u climb at in Florida??
By no means do I think your question is dumb, I have studied anatomy so I actually find your question interesting and complex.
But I will spend the rest of the day laughing that the question was asked by soemone from a florida gym.
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I do push ups in a gym in Fl.
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sandlixard
Sep 4, 2006, 3:53 AM
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I go to UF now so I climb at the gainesville rock gym. You?
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suprdude22
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Just to let you know, b/c I am probably one of those people you have seen do push ups at GRG, routes outside don't end on a Jug and then you drop down. See all we do is climb to a spot and drop down, so when Florida climbers make it outside we fly up to the point right before the topout and then sketch around on the top out, make people think we are going to fall, and then somehow manage to do something that looks like a beached whale trying to kicking one leg. Basically, the push ups are to avoid doing that, or falling off of v7 problem w/ a v3 topout.
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Another way to make push-ups a little more specific to training for climbing is to do them (with whatever hand positioning and with whatever supplemental devices you want) with your feet elevated on top of an exercise ball.
The constant minute adjustments made with the core muscles to steady your frame will help to condition and strengthen those all-important components of climbing musculature and fitness.
To start with lay feet over the top of the ball in a wide stance. This offers the most stable positioning. Once you're used to this, bring the feet closer together and balance on your toes to increase the involvement of your core muscles by decreasing the stability of your foot positioning.
Also (as with climbing sometimes) the bigger the balls the better!
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sandlixard
Sep 9, 2006, 3:36 PM
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In reply to: Another way to make push-ups a little more specific to training for climbing is to do them (with whatever hand positioning and with whatever supplemental devices you want) with your feet elevated on top of an exercise ball. The constant minute adjustments made with the core muscles to steady your frame will help to condition and strengthen those all-important components of climbing musculature and fitness. To start with lay feet over the top of the ball in a wide stance. This offers the most stable positioning. Once you're used to this, bring the feet closer together and balance on your toes to increase the involvement of your core muscles by decreasing the stability of your foot positioning. Also (as with climbing sometimes) the bigger the balls the better!
Now that I do agree with. However push-ups i'm still sceptical of. It seems like dips would be better training for mantling or topping out.
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angry
Sep 9, 2006, 5:17 PM
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In reply to: Another way to make push-ups a little more specific to training for climbing is to do them (with whatever hand positioning and with whatever supplemental devices you want) with your feet elevated on top of an exercise ball. The constant minute adjustments made with the core muscles to steady your frame will help to condition and strengthen those all-important components of climbing musculature and fitness. To start with lay feet over the top of the ball in a wide stance. This offers the most stable positioning. Once you're used to this, bring the feet closer together and balance on your toes to increase the involvement of your core muscles by decreasing the stability of your foot positioning. Also (as with climbing sometimes) the bigger the balls the better!
When I was a trainer, I had way too much fun with my clients and an exercise ball.
Your push up idea is great. Here's some other fun stuff that works the minute stuff in the same ways.
-Push ups on the exercise ball, feet on a bench (or ground, sissy) and hands on the exercise ball. Killer!! I've heard rumors of feet on one ball and hands on the other. I'm skeptical.
-Lay on the ball facing up. Feet flat on the ground. Now do a chest press or fly with dumbells. Way the fuck harder than on a bench.
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bcjay
Sep 10, 2006, 6:02 AM
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If you want to get crazy about combining climbing & gymnastics (or bodyweight exercises), check out John Gill's write-up on the subject:
http://www128.pair.com/r3d4k7/Climbing&Gymnastics1.0.html
Pretty fricking impressive stuff.
Jay
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