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sspssp
Dec 19, 2006, 7:19 PM
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yokese wrote: By the way, how many of you actually say "rapping" instead of "rappelling" (innocent question. Being a non-native english speaker the word "rapping" means something totally different to me).
I can't speak for english speakers everywhere, but out here in California "rap" and "rapping" are the norm. Someone might say "rappelle", but I rarely hear "rappelling".
"Rapping" can also refer to someone singing rap music.
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stl_climber
Dec 19, 2006, 10:02 PM
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In response to OP, we are headed down to PC next week for 10 days. Within the group, I organized for 9 of us, we have discussed Simul Rapping.
The general take among 3-4 of the more experienced climbers is that since we do not practice this as a typical strategy; we will not use it unless conditions are perfect.
I would consider being tired, stressed, etc. as non-ideal conditions.
It sounds like you are going to practice, and just to add another option to my bag; I am pretty sure I will break this out with one of my partners on some of the easier 4-12/13 pitch climbs. Nice easy climbing to the summit then some technical practice on the way down.
TWZ would kill me though. I'd be spent. Pretty sure if I was doing that at my current training level then I'd want the easiest most simplistic rap down and I'd pack two headlamps =p
Enjoy EPC. My group is staying in a couple casita's at the entrance to the park. Name is Shaun Loveless and look us up if your around. I'm looking forward to celebrating the new years.
SL
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jimdavis
Dec 20, 2006, 5:46 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: lightrack wrote: majid_sabet wrote: lightrack wrote: a saftey benifit of the simu-rap if climbing w/ a noob is you can fireman the simu-team on the raps by holding their rope from below aswell. I see first have 1 dude rap so he could hold both ends then let the other two do combat turbo rap.I am such a n00b, how come i did not think of this. sorry, let me clarify, when simu rapping i go 4 feet below my partner, and hold both his line and mine, we go at a normal pace and if he lets go i have his brake line. I see, so your parner has 2 ropes cause you said you are holding both his line, and yours ,assuming you got 1 line. so your both hands are busy holding few rops but then, how do you rap and where is the third hand or may be your partner is using his hand to lower your rap ? I am confused.
Doesn't take much...perhaps someone could sketch this out for Majid...might wanna use crayons so Majid doesn't feel like it's above his head.
Make sure to sketch the climbers wearing helmets.
Jim
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yokese
Dec 20, 2006, 7:10 PM
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jimdavis wrote: Doesn't take much...perhaps someone could sketch this out for Majid...might wanna use crayons so Majid doesn't feel like it's above his head. Make sure to sketch the climbers wearing helmets. Jim
Done! 
Edited to add some explanations in the sketch.....
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j_ung
Dec 20, 2006, 7:14 PM
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Love the salad bowls.
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jimdavis
Dec 20, 2006, 8:55 PM
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yokese wrote: jimdavis wrote: Doesn't take much...perhaps someone could sketch this out for Majid...might wanna use crayons so Majid doesn't feel like it's above his head. Make sure to sketch the climbers wearing helmets. Jim Edited to add some explanations in the sketch.....
god damn do I miss the trophies!!!!
post of the year, right there.
Jim
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brotherbbock
Dec 21, 2006, 9:32 PM
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That diagram is fricken hilarious!! Nice One.
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brent_e
Dec 21, 2006, 9:43 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: ryanb wrote: It essentially doubles the failure modes of normall rappeling and makes the two climbers entirely reliant on each other. With the right partner and in the right situation that can be acceptable but I prefer to avoid it in most situatons. I would advise thinking about it and makeing your own decision. I done in a much better and safer way however I do not want to share the detail cause you still got two people on a same system.
it's also unsafe to be up there longer than you want, too.
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stymingersfink
Dec 26, 2006, 1:33 AM
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when simulrapping i would highly suggest using a 'biner block, and keeping the heavier climber on the side protectied by this block.
do you need details?
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tradrenn
Dec 26, 2006, 1:44 AM
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yokese wrote: jimdavis wrote: Doesn't take much...perhaps someone could sketch this out for Majid...might wanna use crayons so Majid doesn't feel like it's above his head. Make sure to sketch the climbers wearing helmets. Jim
Brilliant, Fucken brilliant.
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mcgivney_nh
Dec 26, 2006, 3:21 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: wanlessrm wrote: Maybe your the noob! It is a single rope system! I am but do not tell any one.
simul rapping is cake, just dont be dumb, and remmeber to wieght the rope together, as always, communication with your partner is key.
-Sean
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