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blueeyedclimber
Sep 29, 2008, 12:48 PM
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rgold wrote: The real problem is that people really don't care much whether or not they hit someone with a rope, or else they are so spaced-out that they are unaware of the obvious issues. Dingus mentioned something I rarely see in the Gunks: actually waiting for a response before chucking the ropes. Most people shout rope and throw it simultaneously, providing an almost entirely wortheless warning to a leader directly below but out of sight.
This touches on the entire point of my post. I personally lower when I feel that I cannot be assured of not throwing it on someone, which is almost always at the GUnks. Many Gunks climbs rappel over an overhang that may or may not be the route that you came up. Half the time I am not sure exactly what route I am rappelling over. It is also tough to hear or tell where any response or warning is coming from.
I have also rappelled with the rope flaked over a sling, as you suggested. This works, but I also agree that I never see it done.
So, I guess the point of my thread was NOT for you to agree with me, but to think about the safety of others when you rappel.
Josh
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bigfatrock
Sep 29, 2008, 4:47 PM
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How about just be responsible and throw or lower based on the situation? No point in lowering a rope if you are 100% sure it's not going to hit somebody, it's a waste of precious climbing time. I will keep throwing, making sure all is clear before I do.
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kimmyt
Oct 1, 2008, 1:08 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: I have also rappelled with the rope flaked over a sling, as you suggested. This works, but I also agree that I never see it done.
I do this exclusively (and a lot more frequently) at certain rappels at the Gunks. The Arrow rappell comes to mind.
It never fails to get 'oooh that's such a good idea!" comments. But then that was my reaction when a guy suggested it to me initially.
Now the question I have as I'm starting to do it more, does it work better to have each strand in its own sling, or both flaked together in one sling? THe reason I ask is because when you use doubles, and put in a single sling, that sucker can get heavy! And if you have the strands in seperate slings, it tends to be more difficult to manage I've found.
Thoughts?
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blueeyedclimber
Oct 1, 2008, 1:14 PM
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kimmyt wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: I have also rappelled with the rope flaked over a sling, as you suggested. This works, but I also agree that I never see it done. I do this exclusively (and a lot more frequently) at certain rappels at the Gunks. The Arrow rappell comes to mind. It never fails to get 'oooh that's such a good idea!" comments. But then that was my reaction when a guy suggested it to me initially. Now the question I have as I'm starting to do it more, does it work better to have each strand in its own sling, or both flaked together in one sling? THe reason I ask is because when you use doubles, and put in a single sling, that sucker can get heavy! And if you have the strands in seperate slings, it tends to be more difficult to manage I've found. Thoughts?
I do neither. I extend my rappel device and flake both strands over that sling and feed out as I go. Works like a charm.
Josh
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kimmyt
Oct 1, 2008, 3:52 PM
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I never thought of doing that, usually I clip the slings onto my haul loop. Will have to try next time... what sling length do you extend with out of curiousity?
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blueeyedclimber
Oct 1, 2008, 7:37 PM
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kimmyt wrote: I never thought of doing that, usually I clip the slings onto my haul loop. Will have to try next time... what sling length do you extend with out of curiousity?
Probably 12" (over the shoulder size). I usually extend even if I don't flake the rope. It gives me a better braking angle giving me more control on rappels which helps for my skinny doubles.
Josh
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t2stone
Oct 1, 2008, 7:53 PM
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QUESTION?
are you serious???... thanks for the tips but I think I can tell when I need to lower a rope or thow it... now go ride your bike to the cliff and you can safeguard everyone you can see ... dont forget yer bull~horn too o.k.? )^:
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milesenoell
Oct 2, 2008, 4:09 AM
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clipping the ropebag to my harness and letting it feed out as I rap down is my personal favorite.
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wonderwoman
Oct 2, 2008, 10:52 PM
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t2stone wrote: QUESTION? are you serious???... thanks for the tips but I think I can tell when I need to lower a rope or thow it... now go ride your bike to the cliff and you can safeguard everyone you can see ... dont forget yer bull~horn too o.k.? )^:
Bullhorn? Now, that's a good idea!
"HEY, YOU UP THERE!! YOU ARE LOWERING THAT ROPE, RIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD BOY!"
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blueeyedclimber
Oct 2, 2008, 11:03 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: t2stone wrote: QUESTION? are you serious???... thanks for the tips but I think I can tell when I need to lower a rope or thow it... now go ride your bike to the cliff and you can safeguard everyone you can see ... dont forget yer bull~horn too o.k.? )^: Bullhorn? Now, that's a good idea! "HEY, YOU UP THERE!! YOU ARE LOWERING THAT ROPE, RIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD BOY!"
OOOPS! I was logged in as Wonderwoman, that was my comment!
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donald949
Oct 2, 2008, 11:06 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: wonderwoman wrote: t2stone wrote: QUESTION? are you serious???... thanks for the tips but I think I can tell when I need to lower a rope or thow it... now go ride your bike to the cliff and you can safeguard everyone you can see ... dont forget yer bull~horn too o.k.? )^: Bullhorn? Now, that's a good idea! "HEY, YOU UP THERE!! YOU ARE LOWERING THAT ROPE, RIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD BOY!" OOOPS! I was logged in as Wonderwoman, that was my comment!
You in trouble now blue, you in trouble now.
So the question arises, maybe blue has been making all these comments about how he's in deep trouble while logged in as WW. Jess saying.
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sungam
Oct 2, 2008, 11:08 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: wonderwoman wrote: t2stone wrote: QUESTION? are you serious???... thanks for the tips but I think I can tell when I need to lower a rope or thow it... now go ride your bike to the cliff and you can safeguard everyone you can see ... dont forget yer bull~horn too o.k.? )^: Bullhorn? Now, that's a good idea! "HEY, YOU UP THERE!! YOU ARE LOWERING THAT ROPE, RIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD BOY!" OOOPS! I was logged in as Wonderwoman, that was my comment!
Is that why you deleted *your* post in the other thread?
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blueeyedclimber
Oct 3, 2008, 12:20 PM
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sungam wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: wonderwoman wrote: t2stone wrote: QUESTION? are you serious???... thanks for the tips but I think I can tell when I need to lower a rope or thow it... now go ride your bike to the cliff and you can safeguard everyone you can see ... dont forget yer bull~horn too o.k.? )^: Bullhorn? Now, that's a good idea! "HEY, YOU UP THERE!! YOU ARE LOWERING THAT ROPE, RIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD BOY!" OOOPS! I was logged in as Wonderwoman, that was my comment! Banzings! Is that why you deleted *your* post in the other thread?
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t2stone
Oct 9, 2008, 1:26 AM
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Seriously Folks, I don't climb at the gunks EVER! so I guess I just look down and "toss" it.... Iv'e never hit anyone...EXept... UMM those Canadians that time... at Quincy quarries.... tee hee
(This post was edited by t2stone on Oct 9, 2008, 1:27 AM)
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t2stone
Oct 9, 2008, 10:44 PM
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O.k. It's true.... I embellished a "little" they were not from Canada.. I think they said,Quebec....isn't that close enough?
Anyway,I think they deserved it. as they didn't wear any helmets?
can you imagine the "nerve" of them
thomas
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