Those of you who want socialized medicine need to remember that govt runs the VA.

Or, what if the reason for the difference is not medical care, but a reflection of society?

Analysis of pre-term births, which account for the different rates between the US and other countries, indicates there is a high correlation between lifestyle and risk of pre-term birth. Most directly is the link to vigorous work combined with a racial component (non-Cuban African Americans) indicates that the American model of “work hard ‘till you pop” may be the real problem. This would also correlate with those cultures lower on the list (Japan + Scandinavian) where there are low birth rates and pregnancy is a more guarded affair. Quality of medical care is not the likely issue. Attitudes are.

Still no logical argument pointing from a problem to a solution. Why nationalize?

Onceahardman is right, and my metaphor still stands. We are all best served by being responsible for our own medical / climbing protection.

You are the one bringing up "infant mortality" as a proxy for "health care". As such, the burden is on YOU, and no one else, to show how the statistics are calculated.

What if, for example, only say, 26 countries calculate infant mortality different than us. What happens to your stats?

it won't be covered...and I can't afford it anyway.

As an asside, let me just say FUCK the insurance industry and everyone who works for it. Grow a conscience you fucking parasites.

So here is my question. For those of you who have had shoulder/rotator cuff surgery, how much did your surgery and pt treatment cost?

Dude, I spent the past 4.5 years working an ambulance in Arizona. Maybe YOU can't "imagine" this happening, but I made a living off it happening for damn near a half decade.


Yeah, sure, because all those other countries have the illegal immigration problem that the US has. I hear Iceland is a bitch to cross into, though.

http://www.who.int/...l_mortality/text.pdf

Your thingy made clicky.

I'm not sure if you have already read it, but the report you tried to link describes considerable problems in consistency, beginning on page 6, when the stats are described.

In short, there is, at present, no reason to believe your assertion that the USA has the 31st best infant mortality rate, if all countries involved are compared equally. In some countries, only half of stillbirths are even recorded.

The fact is we are not first, despite how much the US spends on health care. Don't you think there is room for improvement?

Don't you think there is room for improvement?

I recognize the system needs change. But I think it's more tweaking, rather than tearing down the whole thing.

According to the World Health Organization paper on Neonatal and Perinatal Mortality, "Although social factors exert the main influence on the outcome of a birth, as societies advance good medical care tends to play agreater role."
http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/docs/neonatal_perinatal_mortality/text.pdf

The countries with the highest infant survival rate are advanced societies and therefore medical care plays a larger role. Though I agree with you that culture and lifestyle are a factor, just not the main factor.

I really don't see how you can make the claim that attitudes are the issue and not quality medical care. Maybe the OP can fix his shoulder simply by changing his attitude?

You have a short memory. On the previous page, I said:



At this point, you seem to just want to argue. I'm not playing anymore.

Don’t most universities provide free medical coverage as part of the tuition? All my college friends have their medical care covered by the university as its part of the tuition.

Free medical coverage = oxymoron, no? Especially when you have to pay for it via tuition.

Merry Xmas everyone!!

Ok so "included" coverage. Isn’t most medical coverage "included" with college tuition? After all if the student gets injured and can’t pay their bills they won’t be going to college anymore. It would only make sense for the college to protect their customers.

The US has a high murder rate compared to a lot of countries too. But guess what, if you choose to stay away from drugs and thugs, your odds of being murdered go down by a factor of several. Just like if you choose to go to college and get a good job, you will have good insurance. Having the government step in and give insurance to those that didn't make good choices doesn't make sense. Let's provide insurance for kids through college age, and the disabled. Healthy adults are on their own. THEN we can talk about reforming the private healthcare industry.

do you really think that anybody wants to live in a place with a high murder rate? or that a person doesn't want health insurance?

As an asside, let me just say FUCK the insurance industry and everyone who works for it. Grow a conscience you fucking parasites.

So here is my question. For those of you who have had shoulder/rotator cuff surgery, how much did your surgery and pt treatment cost?

Thanks in advance for any info.

My mom works for the gov't and makes minimum wage. She had to go to mexico to get an operation done because the same operation with her gov't funded insurance would have cost her 3 times as much as the trip to mexico and the operation combined.

Yes. People actually make the choice to live in violent cities, make the choice to engage in risky behavior, and make the choice to not purchase health insurance. Millions of people make those decisions every single day.