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IsayAutumn
Jul 30, 2009, 2:26 PM
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tyler_A wrote: Would it be remotely realistic to be able to train yourself to be able to fall vertically from very high distances and land with a certain exact and calculated technique so that you can cause little to no harm to your body? Yes, in fact. There is a great technique, and it would benefit everyone if you learned it. It's called falling head first.
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kennoyce
Jul 30, 2009, 2:27 PM
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In reply to: don't care for ridiculous and arbitrary "interwebz" customs too much. Then you shouldn't care about a little bit of ridiculous and arbitrary "interwebz" hazing should you. Really if you ask a question about ninjas, you can expect for people to give you some crap over it. Just take it like a man and have some fun.
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synrock
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A PLF is only effective if you have some lateral motion, which is always the case when you are descending via parachute. Straight down doesn't work so well, although the basics: feet together, knees bent, toes pointed down, are a good idea to prevent a broken leg. The problem with a bouldering fall is that each situation is different. The position you fall from and terrain you fall ON are never the same. This precludes using any "learned ninja technique." If or when you do fall the most effective technique is to make use of adrenalin and instincts to adjust to the immediate situation at hand. There is never time to DO something. Doing requires thinking and thinking requires time and in a 15 ft fall you don't have time for anything. When you fall you can't be thinking of what just happened or what is going to happen - you have to (in the immortal words of chevy chase from caddy shack) "be the ball" - err "fall." bowers
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Tactix23
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tyler_A wrote: Would it be remotely realistic to be able to train yourself to be able to fall vertically from very high distances and land with a certain exact and calculated technique so that you can cause little to no harm to your body? Are there people that do this? Videos? Real life ninjas so to speak? I've had this scenario stuck in my head for days of some mysterious acrobat that could leap from a building and walk away perfectly. Needless to say, this would be a very cool thing to demonstrate to friends. I already drink litres of milk a day so I know I have good bones haha =P Only thing you can really do is roll which turns your downward momentum into forward momentum. Perhaps try practicing by just jumping off the ground and rolling? The idea is cool but I don't know if it's worth the risk trying to practice it haha
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Tactix23
Jul 30, 2009, 4:28 PM
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kennoyce wrote: In reply to: don't care for ridiculous and arbitrary "interwebz" customs too much. Then you shouldn't care about a little bit of ridiculous and arbitrary "interwebz" hazing should you. Really if you ask a question about ninjas, you can expect for people to give you some crap over it. Just take it like a man and have some fun. I don't think it's the fact that he can't take a joke but merely when you first join a forum and make a first post well you don't expect to be shit on the second you start posting. I'm new to this forum and i can tell unlike other forums, people are more concerned about keeping it their own little community as opposed to inviting others in. Which is odd because everyone I meet in real life that rock climbs is the exact opposite.. Or maybe that's just where I'm from. I belong to a drum forum and sometimes people ask weird questions.. We either A) answer them and ask why they want to know or B) don't post.. I don't think putting up with people calling you retarded makes you a man to be honest haha
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sungam
Jul 30, 2009, 5:18 PM
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kennoyce wrote: In reply to: BTW, does your new work have a computer now? You seem to be posting more regularly. Yeah, my new job has always had a computer, I just am not at it too often. The last week or two has been pretty slow so I have had more time at my computer, but starting tomorrow, it looks like that will end. Well, it was fun while it lasted. To the OP, the reason rolling out bouldering falls really won't work is because in parkour/ninja jumps you're going forewards, and you roll with the forewards momentum. When you're falling of a boulder you're falling backwards and likely at a funky angle. Trying to roll such a jump would result in a knee to the face. Try landing and letting your knees bend with some resistance, but don't let them bend all the way. Then flop over. For shorter falls, just land on your feet and bend the knees slightly.
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Carnage
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i like to land like pirates. it involves being very drunk
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synrock wrote: A PLF is only effective if you have some lateral motion, which is always the case when you are descending via parachute. Straight down doesn't work so well, although the basics: feet together, knees bent, toes pointed down, are a good idea to prevent a broken leg. The problem with a bouldering fall is that each situation is different. The position you fall from and terrain you fall ON are never the same. This precludes using any "learned ninja technique." If or when you do fall the most effective technique is to make use of adrenalin and instincts to adjust to the immediate situation at hand. There is never time to DO something. Doing requires thinking and thinking requires time and in a 15 ft fall you don't have time for anything. When you fall you can't be thinking of what just happened or what is going to happen - you have to (in the immortal words of chevy chase from caddy shack) "be the ball" - err "fall." bowers Not having time to think about a fall is precisely why it is instructive to train a few basic breakfalls. There have been a lot of broken arms in many sports due to people reactively sticking their arm out to stop a fall instead of using their body to absorb the impact. The other main point of break falls is to protect your head and neck. There are many similarities between being thrown and falling from a bouldering problem especially for low problems. There is a lot of randomness in how you end up in the air in both. Here's an explanation of the breakfall principals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wU1D8YmzQ
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kriso9tails
Jul 30, 2009, 6:34 PM
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If you want to learn to take a bouldering fall, this is the man to teach you.
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camhead
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tyler_A wrote: Would it be remotely realistic to be able to train yourself to be able to fall vertically from very high distances and land with a certain exact and calculated technique so that you can cause little to no harm to your body? Are there people that do this? Videos? Real life ninjas so to speak? I've had this scenario stuck in my head for days of some mysterious acrobat that could leap from a building and walk away perfectly. Needless to say, this would be a very cool thing to demonstrate to friends. I already drink litres of milk a day so I know I have good bones haha =P This site may have some pointers on how to land ike a ninja.
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rtwilli4
Jul 30, 2009, 7:39 PM
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tyler_A wrote: I said remotely, like being able to land 15 or 20 feet consistently without damage, not 1000. Thank you however for the warm welcome since this was my first post on the forum. You don't need to be a ninja to fall 20 feet without getting hurt. past that though, ninja skills or not, you are probably gonna get hurt.
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xclimber47
Jul 30, 2009, 7:49 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0EpYNXpc7c about as close as you'll get..
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sungam wrote: the reason rolling out bouldering falls really won't work is because in parkour/ninja jumps you're going forewards, and you roll with the forewards momentum See XClimbr47 above And for the buildering fans out there: - Dvinsk-Clan: note roll out of static backwards fall at 2:42 - Yamakasi
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Jul 30, 2009, 10:03 PM
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Tactix23 wrote: kennoyce wrote: In reply to: don't care for ridiculous and arbitrary "interwebz" customs too much. Then you shouldn't care about a little bit of ridiculous and arbitrary "interwebz" hazing should you. Really if you ask a question about ninjas, you can expect for people to give you some crap over it. Just take it like a man and have some fun. I don't think it's the fact that he can't take a joke but merely when you first join a forum and make a first post well you don't expect to be shit on the second you start posting. I'm new to this forum and i can tell unlike other forums, people are more concerned about keeping it their own little community as opposed to inviting others in. Which is odd because everyone I meet in real life that rock climbs is the exact opposite.. Or maybe that's just where I'm from. I belong to a drum forum and sometimes people ask weird questions.. We either A) answer them and ask why they want to know or B) don't post.. I don't think putting up with people calling you retarded makes you a man to be honest haha This forum is very open and usually goes a page and a half until someone makes a wise ass remark. Unless the question is stupid or involves risk of injury / death. Humor and mocking are the usual reactions to stupidity. Please look at the FAQ in particular "ask the n00b". It is funny, funny stuff. Then search [codefrog] for how not to react. **sob, I miss him** And, I've got to add two more things. If you are in a potentially dangeRous environment and someone calls you a moron, shut up, stop, and think long and hard before you get angry. Second, I've just gotta add, "can't take being called a moron when you are being a moron, sounds like..... MANAGEMENT"
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Jul 30, 2009, 10:49 PM
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camhead wrote: tyler_A wrote: Would it be remotely realistic to be able to train yourself to be able to fall vertically from very high distances and land with a certain exact and calculated technique so that you can cause little to no harm to your body? Are there people that do this? Videos? Real life ninjas so to speak? I've had this scenario stuck in my head for days of some mysterious acrobat that could leap from a building and walk away perfectly. Needless to say, this would be a very cool thing to demonstrate to friends. I already drink litres of milk a day so I know I have good bones haha =P This site may have some pointers on how to land ike a ninja. I feel like I need to wash. How did you find such a cool, and by cool, I mean totally sweet site. (GMWAS)
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bill413
Jul 31, 2009, 1:06 AM
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Now that is a resource.
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All the ninja jokery and cool parkour vids aside, there was a really sweet Steven Jeffrey clip from about ten years ago with him dropping from slightly above a full campus board onto the bottom rung and catching himself without bottoming out. Crazy, but not available on youtube. Okay, back to posting random ninja sites ...
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knieveltech
Aug 28, 2009, 8:39 PM
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tyler_A wrote: I said remotely, like being able to land 15 or 20 feet consistently without damage, not 1000. Thank you however for the warm welcome since this was my first post on the forum. Someone gave you a warm welcome? They should be banned immediately. In the mean time, you need to STFU, n00b.
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I'm a noob to climbing, but I do have extensive experience falling off of stuff PLF's are for falling straight down and landing with your feet and knees firmly together, you have a few hundred feet to get your shit lined up right. Even so, Airborne ops tend to do wacky things and guys are always getting scuffed up from bad falls. "Ninja" breakfalls and other bullshido stuff are for not breaking an arm or your tailbone when you get pushed over. I used to rodeo, and being flung off a horse defeated most attempts to 'fall correctly' in that you never knew which way your body would be oriented in the fall. Plus horses sometimes kick you or step on you. The only thing you really can do about falling is try not to land on your headpiece and don't try to catch the ground with your arms. There is no 'consistently' attached to falling
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milesenoell
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agincourt wrote: I'm a noob to climbing, but I do have extensive experience falling off of stuff PLF's are for falling straight down and landing with your feet and knees firmly together, you have a few hundred feet to get your shit lined up right. Even so, Airborne ops tend to do wacky things and guys are always getting scuffed up from bad falls. "Ninja" breakfalls and other bullshido stuff are for not breaking an arm or your tailbone when you get pushed over. I used to rodeo, and being flung off a horse defeated most attempts to 'fall correctly' in that you never knew which way your body would be oriented in the fall. Plus horses sometimes kick you or step on you. The only thing you really can do about falling is try not to land on your headpiece and don't try to catch the ground with your arms. There is no 'consistently' attached to falling Wow, on on topic response that expresses actual experience with the subject? You really are a noob. At least you found a way to sneer at some of the other comments, there may be hope for you yet.
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