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I'm sorry but a hard aided big wall climb is much harder then a hard trad climb. All the preparation that goes into a big wall climb in itself is harder then a hard traditional climb. I'm sure that some of you wil disagree,and if so then let me know
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~Adam
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lox
Dec 5, 2002, 4:34 PM
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"All the preparation" ?!?
What preparation are we talking about here ?
Buying the gear ? Learning to use the gear ? Sorting the gear ?
Aid climbing, and trad climbing to a lesser degree, are just WORK. Ropework, hauling, setting pieces... all manual labor.
Sucky.
Please, continue to have your little arguement about which is harder: banging your head against sheetrock or brick... while the practitioners of movement sit around and chuckle.
hehe.
Isn't there an aid climbing forum this thread needs to be moved to ?
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holmeslovesguinness
Dec 5, 2002, 5:03 PM
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Aid climbing, and trad climbing to a lesser degree, are just WORK.
Hmmm... I guess living in Austin makes you an aid and trad climbing expert. Silly limestone cowboy
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cedk
Dec 5, 2002, 5:15 PM
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Bold were you just trying to be sarcastic? If not, you're not pushing yourself hard enough on trad.
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rrrADAM
Dec 6, 2002, 2:59 PM
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bold... Even though you seem to have misread the Survey question, please answer this:
The Huber brothers are "freeing" a lot of the "hard Aid Routes" of El Cap, so this whould be "hard Trad on a Big Wall", right ???
Do you think it is "harder" to free climb the hard Aid Route, or easier to free climb the hard Aid Route ??? They are doing the same routes here ya know, just free, as in Trad.
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Dec 6, 2002, 3:43 PM
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The survey does not ask: "What do you think is the HARDEST type of climbing?", it's asking what you have the most respect for. There is no wrong answer...
I picked hard trad climbing, but big wall aiding obviously has more commitment to it. However, I think aid is in another catagory to trad, in some respects, so...you've gotta be using your hands all the way up to get all the respect.
Mike...
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Dec 6, 2002, 4:03 PM
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Read the survey question carefully. The survey isn't wrong, your comprehension of the question asked is wrong.
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camhead
Dec 6, 2002, 4:16 PM
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see guys?
this is exactly the type of bull s--- that I said this survey would bring up.
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kman
Dec 6, 2002, 4:25 PM
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^^
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rrrADAM
Dec 6, 2002, 4:25 PM
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Hmmm... Almost 800 individual votes in only a few days, and less than 20 with a problem... That's only 2.5% who have a problem with it.
As stated, people are reading more into the question than is being asked. But that wouldn't be the first time that has happened on the Net, right ???
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wildtrail
Dec 7, 2002, 8:38 PM
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Adam,
Who cares about the "percentage". Geez. Can't you guys get over numbers? This survey is stupid.
I love the classification you people give climbers. "Hard" is ">5.12". Who decides what "hard" is?
This survey is pointless.
Asking people what they prefer, is one thing, but classifying something that isn't classifiable (climbing), is another.
With comments like that, I tend to thing you are ratings bagger, Adam. Tell me I'm wrong, please!
Steve
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fivetenman
Dec 7, 2002, 8:50 PM
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Yall are all wrong. Hard sport climnbing and bouldering are the best. They require skill and strength to send not just a big pair of of balls.
Climb On
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spoon
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Hey bold, you're right. Your 4 line post just totaly convinced me not only that everything but aid is complete crap, but that I should care. Thanks for clearing that up.
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aid climbing is not even climbing,you may aswell just bolt a ladder to the rock and climb that.
hard climbing in all types takes alot of hard work.
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micronut
Dec 8, 2002, 4:15 PM
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the question is dumb. I've met people that could climb like gods, but were totally lame as people, and I had no repect for them at all. I respect people based on more meaningful critera, not rock climbing, give me a break. Climbing in NOT important, it's just a story, a fun story, but a story none the less.
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wildtrail
Dec 8, 2002, 6:45 PM
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That shows what little "fivetenman" actually knows about climbing. Guess he has never done hard trad. Or aid. Or ice. Or alpine. Nothing like sticking with the "safest" aspects of the recreation of climbing.
It's all climbing. No medium is "better" than the other. They are all different.
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misha
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No form of the sport is more difficult than any other. Aid climbing can be as easy as climing a ladder, as can trad climbing.
The great thing about climbing is that the challenge is limitless, there will always be something harder.
There can be a boulder problem harder than A5, and a trad climb harder than a v15 boulder problem.
The person who started this thread is an idiot.
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tristero
Dec 18, 2002, 3:54 PM
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Austrian Climber Klem Leskot said it best: The hardest kind of climbing is when you are doing a "personal limit" moves.
I have the most respect for those who, on occassion, forgo the naturalistic joy of climbing and really crank down on some routes. Seeing someone climb at their personal limit (5.7 or A5 or V7) is not only inspiring - it's the hardest climbing anyone can do.
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