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the_climber
Jul 23, 2010, 9:34 PM
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See Details below:
This only effects the #6 Sized Dragon Cam
http://www.dmmclimbing.com/...nid=315&ngroup=1
This is From the Gripped Site as the DMM link appears not to be working (at least for me) at this moment:
Edit 1:
Mods, didn't see another thread on this so make this sticky if you can.
Edit 2:
I had an opportunity to see 2 of the effected units about an hour ago. On effected units the issue visually easy to spot, simply look at the Axel housing adjacent to the the cable termination.
Edit 3: Props to DMM for getting on this ASAP, apparently they are acting quite fast on this.
(This post was edited by the_climber on Jul 25, 2010, 6:02 PM)
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hafilax
Jul 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
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Microfractures... they do exist! 
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jeepnphreak
Jul 23, 2010, 10:25 PM
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Well now, thats not a good way to start the introduction of a new product.
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kjaking
Jul 23, 2010, 11:16 PM
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I'm glad I only bought up to size 5
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Khoi
Jul 24, 2010, 11:41 PM
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Argh.
I'm going to have to go exchange mine.
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nkane
Jul 25, 2010, 12:29 AM
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So I just got a call from rock and snow in new paltz, reminding me that I got one of these and making sure I knew about the recall. What classy service. Further proof that rock and snow is one of the best shops out there.
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adatesman
Jul 25, 2010, 4:21 AM
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the_climber
Jul 25, 2010, 5:54 PM
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Thanks Aric.
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adatesman
Jul 25, 2010, 6:45 PM
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billcoe_
Jul 25, 2010, 6:55 PM
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Regardless of this issue, I dislike that folks have gotten away from using sizes based on inches. The wild country #4 was 4 inches. While the #6 DMM is about a #4 Camalot. [/whine]
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adatesman
Jul 25, 2010, 10:25 PM
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Khoi
Jul 25, 2010, 10:57 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: Regardless of this issue, I dislike that folks have gotten away from using sizes based on inches. The wild country #4 was 4 inches. While the #6 DMM is about a #4 Camalot. [/whine]
Fuck imperial units!
SI units or nothing!
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davidnn5
Jul 25, 2010, 11:11 PM
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I think we should all be given the option to look at who rated our posts. It's a lot more effective a deterrent to know that someone intelligent thought your post was shit than just some random USnoob. Although opinions are like arseholes...
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moose_droppings
Jul 26, 2010, 1:20 AM
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davidnn5 wrote: I think we should all be given the option to look at who rated our posts. It's a lot more effective a deterrent to know that someone intelligent thought your post was shit than just some random USnoob. Although opinions are like arseholes...
+1
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boymeetsrock
Jul 26, 2010, 2:43 AM
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moose_droppings wrote: davidnn5 wrote: I think we should all be given the option to look at who rated our posts. It's a lot more effective a deterrent to know that someone intelligent thought your post was shit than just some random USnoob. Although opinions are like arseholes... +1
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stoyanoff
Jul 26, 2010, 9:46 AM
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T tried Dragon cams on Friday. They look well but are comletely unhandy because of their loopless form. I can not imagine putting them with one hand hanging.
The good side could be that 13.5 percent angle - this could be easier to remove it. Does somebody have view over that gear in practice about it's security. Does it really this angle keeps the same area like if it was an ordinary one.
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scottek67
Jul 26, 2010, 1:17 PM
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stoyanoff wrote: T tried Dragon cams on Friday. They look well but are comletely unhandy because of their loopless form. I can not imagine putting them with one hand hanging. The good side could be that 13.5 percent angle - this could be easier to remove it. Does somebody have view over that gear in practice about it's security. Does it really this angle keeps the same area like if it was an ordinary one.
huh?! what?
stoyanoff wrote: T tried Dragon cams on Friday.
stoyanoff wrote: "I" tried Dragon cams on Friday. I can not imagine putting them with one hand hanging.
stoyanoff wrote: - this could be easier to remove it. 
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scrapedape
Jul 26, 2010, 1:27 PM
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jeepnphreak wrote: Well now, thats not a good way to start the introduction of a new product.
No, but it's a good way to handle a defective product.
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stoyanoff
Jul 26, 2010, 1:36 PM
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hey, relax. Too much anger leads nowhere.
I tried in a store. There is much more difficult to handle a gear to a real place. In my opinion DMM lost the chance to better BD's C4. Loop really helps to man.
Meanwhile my main asking was what do you appreciate this 13.5 angle. It sounds reasonable to cover the same range as an ordinary friend. But what about security. Could this 13.5 angle holding be as strong
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shoo
Jul 26, 2010, 1:41 PM
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scrapedape wrote: jeepnphreak wrote: Well now, thats not a good way to start the introduction of a new product. No, but it's a good way to handle a defective product.
It seems to me that a problem was identified and they addressed the problem honestly, quickly, and effectively. There is no evidence whatsoever that DMM was to blame for a bad batch of bar stock, since they presumably buy the bar stock from other sources.
This is the standard to which all climbing manufacturers should be held. Bravo to DMM!
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the_climber
Jul 26, 2010, 1:52 PM
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shoo wrote: scrapedape wrote: jeepnphreak wrote: Well now, thats not a good way to start the introduction of a new product. No, but it's a good way to handle a defective product. It seems to me that a problem was identified and they addressed the problem honestly, quickly, and effectively. There is no evidence whatsoever that DMM was to blame for a bad batch of bar stock, since they presumably buy the bar stock from other sources.
This is the standard to which all climbing manufacturers should be held. Bravo to DMM!
They do source out the raw materials, as does every manufacturer. Materials are ordered to their specs or ordered (as is the case here) at a certain standard spec. (ie, 1"x1.5" T6061 Aluminum bar stock).
The fact that DMM is recalling not just the affected lot, but also the unaffected #6 units shows a great level of responsibility and eliminates the cross contamination potential.
DMM is responding in a very timely fashion on this one. Props to them.
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kjaking
Jul 26, 2010, 10:17 PM
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stoyanoff wrote: T tried Dragon cams on Friday. They look well but are comletely unhandy because of their loopless form. I can not imagine putting them with one hand hanging. The good side could be that 13.5 percent angle - this could be easier to remove it. Does somebody have view over that gear in practice about it's security. Does it really this angle keeps the same area like if it was an ordinary one.
They are completely handy to me because of their loopless form. It makes it easier for the palm-trigger technique, which I like doing a lot.
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caughtinside
Jul 26, 2010, 10:58 PM
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adatesman wrote: Seriously USn00b, stooping to 1 starring a post saying that a manufacturer recall has been made sticky? I mean, stalking/harrassing me here on RC and on FB is one thing, but this?? Time to grow up. 
As big a moran as the USn00b is, if you're running that signature you've got to expect that sort of thing.
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the_climber
Jul 26, 2010, 11:03 PM
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kjaking wrote: stoyanoff wrote: T tried Dragon cams on Friday. They look well but are comletely unhandy because of their loopless form. I can not imagine putting them with one hand hanging. The good side could be that 13.5 percent angle - this could be easier to remove it. Does somebody have view over that gear in practice about it's security. Does it really this angle keeps the same area like if it was an ordinary one. They are completely handy to me because of their loopless form. It makes it easier for the palm-trigger technique, which I like doing a lot.
OK, this is off topic for the purpose of this thread, but I will chime in on the subject then propose that it is taken into it's own thread.
Honestly, the difference between looped and loopless cams is marginal and opinionated at best. Period. It comes down to personal preference, and to be honest the new DMM Dragons are likely the most user friendly loopless cams to ever hit the market. If you can't place a cam without a loop... on lead... on a climb at your level of competency... Well, lets just say, perhaps you should put a little more mileage on your trad climbing (and a little less focus on the gym and sport wanking).
OK, now that I've said my peace, I would ask that this thread be kept for the purposes of the recall on the #6 DMM Dragon and that a new thread be started for the discussion of the Pro's con's of looped vs. loopless cams.
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