Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

I fully support this idea.

Hey Roberto, how about we put a sticky note on your forehead that reads "this asshole thinks he will never make a mistake while climbing". I think that would be more appropriate.

RR

Very poor taste. God forbid that anyone you are close to are ever involved in an accident. If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance.

The Gunks proximity to the largest Metropolitan are in the US and it's plentiful bounty of beginner climbs opens itself up to it's share of accidents. It is what it is, but that doesn't mean you can't show some damn empathy!

Josh

Once again, I disagree. My parents have been the recipients of the 'call' that every loved one of a climber fears.

The gunks is a dangerous place. People die there.

Unfortunately, it is very rare that a serious injury or death is not directly attributable to the actions of an individual; the kindergarten phrase of everyone makes mistakes is potentially deadly when there are 6 million+ people crowding the economically viable mouth of the hudson river with a vague aspiration of being called a climber.

Showing the varying levels of idiocy involved in accidents may prevent further accidents; or it might accomplish nothing. Getting into your car and driving to the gunks, given its popularity, means immortalization on the internet if you fuck up and get hurt.
May as well confine it to one place in our little fantasy world here.

drama queens who like to kick a climber when he's down. Show some class.

Do you think that commenting on the frequency of accidents amounts to kicking a climber when they're down? A number of posters who also objected to the OP acknowledge that that there are many accidents.

He wasn't commenting. Comments could have gone in the original accident thread. He was making light of the accidents and calling those involved "assholes." Josh

Comments could have gone in the original accident thread. He was making light of the accidents and calling those involved "assholes."

Comments could have gone in the original accident thread.

He was making light of the accidents

He was ...calling those involved "assholes."

Oh dear, oh dear.

Let's take this one part at a time:


As a reminder, the Accident & Incidents Analysis posting guidelines state the following:
- "Keep it about the accident"
- "Make your posts factual, and as detailed as possible"

The OP's post was not about a specific accident, nor was it factual. Once again, general commentary does not belong in the A&IA forum, and the OP did the right thing in opening a separate thread in the General forum.


And your point is? You want him to join your club for those who "like ...watching June bugs fly into things over and over again"?


In your rush to judgment, you seem to have neglected to actually read my full post. To make it easy, I'll repeat the part you apparently skipped:

"Or have you, as others may have, assumed that the 'asshole' thread would be about the same person as the 'accidents' thread? If so, this says more about you than about the OP: at the best, this was his intent, and you apparently agree it's a valid statement since you made this assumption; at the worst, this wasn't his intent, and your assumption belies your feigned outrage.'

It would appear that you have fallen victim to the same trap which caught wonderwoman... guess she wasn't wearing her bracelets today :)

I'm beginning to think I should change my sig to "Shaper of Young Minds"...

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

There is a sticky and it's called the Accidents and Analysis Forum. There is nothing about the climbing at the 'Gunks that is any more dangerous than at any other popular crag, just like there isn't anything specific to the grigri that makes climbing with one dangerous: it's the people, and each person makes a mistake that deserves independent analysis. Even if some accidents sound the same, they deserve separate threads so that we don't gloss over what not only did happen but what can continue to happen if it has happened before.

I haven't yet seen an accident reported at the 'Gunks that couldn't happen at most other major crags.

With regards to frequency, while I don't keep stats, I have seen a fair amount of accident threads out of the Red, New, Seneca, and Eldo, too. I assume the reason for this is proximity to population centers.

He wasn't commenting. Comments could have gone in the original accident thread. He was making light of the accidents and calling those involved "assholes."


Josh

So you agree the area deserves an 'Assholes of the Gunks' sticky?

so long as I can be the star.