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chadnsc
Feb 16, 2011, 8:17 PM
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spikeddem wrote: sbaclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: chadnsc wrote: spikeddem wrote: I feel like I'm in a dream world where no RC.com'ers remember the exact same problem with the #6 dragon cam by DMM... Yeah you must be dreaming. I mean the OP and several others referneced the problem with the #6 Dragon cam and how it was similar / identical to the problem with the #5 Dragon.  I got five stars. Fleeting was your fortune.  I've got even more now! Five stars + a couple 1 or 2 star ratings = more than five now! Right??
Nope. It means you suck at math.
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sbaclimber
Feb 16, 2011, 8:21 PM
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spikeddem wrote: sbaclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: chadnsc wrote: spikeddem wrote: I feel like I'm in a dream world where no RC.com'ers remember the exact same problem with the #6 dragon cam by DMM... Yeah you must be dreaming. I mean the OP and several others referneced the problem with the #6 Dragon cam and how it was similar / identical to the problem with the #5 Dragon. I got five stars. Fleeting was your fortune. I've got even more now! Five stars + a couple 1 or 2 star ratings = more than five now! Right??
Edit: d'oh, I'm an idiot...and can't read. It even says, "average"...
Sorry, Chad's right, you(we) suck at math.
Now, watch carefully.......
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spikeddem
Feb 16, 2011, 8:24 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: sbaclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: chadnsc wrote: spikeddem wrote: I feel like I'm in a dream world where no RC.com'ers remember the exact same problem with the #6 dragon cam by DMM... Yeah you must be dreaming. I mean the OP and several others referneced the problem with the #6 Dragon cam and how it was similar / identical to the problem with the #5 Dragon. I got five stars. Fleeting was your fortune. I've got even more now! Five stars + a couple 1 or 2 star ratings = more than five now! Right?? Technically, yes. Watch carefully.......
duhhhhhhhh
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sbaclimber
Feb 16, 2011, 8:26 PM
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spikeddem wrote: sbaclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: sbaclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: chadnsc wrote: spikeddem wrote: I feel like I'm in a dream world where no RC.com'ers remember the exact same problem with the #6 dragon cam by DMM... Yeah you must be dreaming. I mean the OP and several others referneced the problem with the #6 Dragon cam and how it was similar / identical to the problem with the #5 Dragon. I got five stars. Fleeting was your fortune. I've got even more now! Five stars + a couple 1 or 2 star ratings = more than five now! Right?? Technically, yes. Watch carefully....... Technically really just means "duh." duhhhhhhhh
But, hey, look, you're back up to 3 stars! (at least this time I bothered counting)
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chadnsc
Feb 16, 2011, 8:30 PM
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And he's back down to two stars. Five votes and two stars. 
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majid_sabet
Feb 16, 2011, 8:31 PM
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erisspirit wrote: chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Do I need to get my old ultrasonic aviation aluminum crack checker and start checking everything made in CHINA ? pay little more, make it in USA or Europe and save so much in recall instead of loosing your reputation.Petzl first now DMM, whats next ? BD ? Weren't the Aliens made in USA? they had their problems too they had American QA problem not like the modern "Chinese cut the cost /save few penny problem" Except Dragon Cams are made in Whales, not China so your 'save a few penny problme' doesn't apply here. Way to overlook the facts midget. I also actually feel better about this because rather than denying any wrong doing initially, they are immediately putting out the recall. At least they are owning up to mistakes and trying to quickly resolve them. of course I would prefer no mistakes at all, but as we have seen in the past... It happens ... and not just with DMM
it would very difficult to convenes a climber with mechanical background such as myself that " we just saw a problem" and please send it back for refund.
climbing is already dangerous and what we have left is 7 oz of metal between ourselves and the earth. Better QA, better testing and longer field test should be conducted before dumping tons of climbing gear in the market. One thing MFGs should remember that a lot of these product may end up in other countries where people are not up to date on information nor they are internet addictive like what we got in USA or Europe and informing those climbers will be very difficult. .
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spikeddem
Feb 16, 2011, 8:36 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: chadnsc wrote: And he's back down to two stars. Five votes and two stars. Hey, at least I tried.... 
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Feb 16, 2011, 8:36 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: Better QA, better testing and longer field test should be conducted before dumping tons of climbing gear in the market. One thing MFGs should remember that a lot of these product may end up in other countries where people are not up to date on information nor they are internet addictive like what we got in USA or Europe and informing those climbers will be very difficult. .
find any cracks in your duece hammers yet?
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chadnsc
Feb 16, 2011, 8:39 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: it would very difficult to convenes a climber with mechanical background such as myself that " we just saw a problem" and please send it back for refund. climbing is already dangerous and what we have left is 7 oz of metal between ourselves and the earth. Better QA, better testing and longer field test should be conducted before dumping tons of climbing gear in the market. One thing MFGs should remember that a lot of these product may end up in other countries where people are not up to date on information nor they are internet addictive like what we got in USA or Europe and informing those climbers will be very difficult. .
You were already grossly wrong about DMM having these cams built in China to save money. I have a hard time believing anything you have to say on this subject.
Edit: Cheezed a quote.
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chadnsc
Feb 16, 2011, 8:42 PM
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spikeddem wrote: sbaclimber wrote: chadnsc wrote: And he's back down to two stars. Five votes and two stars. Hey, at least I tried.... It just means even MORE than I said before. 5 * 2 = 10.
Nope, just means you suck at math even more than before.
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sbaclimber
Feb 16, 2011, 8:43 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Do I need to get my old ultrasonic aviation aluminum crack checker and start checking everything made in CHINA ? pay little more, make it in USA or Europe and save so much in recall instead of loosing your reputation.Petzl first now DMM, whats next ? BD ? Weren't the Aliens made in USA? they had their problems too they had American QA problem not like the modern "Chinese cut the cost /save few penny problem" Except Dragon Cams are made in Whales, not China so your 'save a few penny problme' doesn't apply here. Way to overlook the facts midget. I also actually feel better about this because rather than denying any wrong doing initially, they are immediately putting out the recall. At least they are owning up to mistakes and trying to quickly resolve them. of course I would prefer no mistakes at all, but as we have seen in the past... It happens ... and not just with DMM it would very difficult to convenes a climber with mechanical background such as myself that " we just saw a problem" and please send it back for refund. climbing is already dangerous and what we have left is 7 oz of metal between ourselves and the earth. Better QA, better testing and longer field test should be conducted before dumping tons of climbing gear in the market.
Both DMM and BD (who does produce in China) use 3 Sigma testing. Please do tell what you would do better...
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tower_climber
Feb 17, 2011, 1:38 AM
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sbaclimber wrote: Although I don't dissagree in principal, please tell us what an "acceptable" and realistic level of testing would be! Both DMM and BD (who does produce in China) use 3 Sigma testing. Please do tell what you would do better...
Majid would never have to test any climbing gear he produced, because with his mechanical background he would never have a product with an issue.
Duh.
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jbro_135
Feb 17, 2011, 1:41 AM
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tower_climber wrote: sbaclimber wrote: Although I don't dissagree in principal, please tell us what an "acceptable" and realistic level of testing would be! Both DMM and BD (who does produce in China) use 3 Sigma testing. Please do tell what you would do better... Majid would never have to test any climbing gear he produced, because with his mechanical background he would never have a product with an issue. Duh.
also majid will never test any climbing gear because he doesn't climb
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patto
Feb 17, 2011, 8:13 AM
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At present there is NO evidence that ANY Dragon Cam has failed below the rated strength.
What is evident is that residual stresses between the axle boss and the stem over a long period of time can sometimes cause fracture cracks in the axle boss.
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Chrisrow
Feb 17, 2011, 9:19 AM
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Hi Guys ,
Yes we do have a full recall for all Dragon size 4,and 5. The size six recall is still current.
At present we have photographic evidence of three size 5 cams with visible cracks, but as yet no examples of size 4 Dragon Cams. In the circumstances we thought it best to recall both sizes, as climbers safety is paramount here.
We have tried to publish the information through as many channels as possible world wide, and welcome any help in relaying this information to those climbers who mIght not have heard.
The recall does not effect the Dragon size 1,2 and 3, as these have a different construction.
The full details are posted on the recall notice on our site and we try to keep people updated as and when appropriate.
In the meantime we thank Mountain Gear for their vigilance, and also our Distributors in the US, Excalibur for the extra work that this will unfortunately heap upon them.
We have already set in place a system to rebuild/replace the units and will do everything in our power to ensure a quick turnaround.
Thankyou for your help and patience.
Best
Chris Rowlands
Brand Manager DMM
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USnavy
Feb 17, 2011, 10:00 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Do I need to get my old ultrasonic aviation aluminum crack checker and start checking everything made in CHINA ? pay little more, make it in USA or Europe and save so much in recall instead of loosing your reputation.Petzl first now DMM, whats next ? BD ? Weren't the Aliens made in USA? they had their problems too they had American QA problem not like the modern "Chinese cut the cost /save few penny problem" Except Dragon Cams are made in Whales, not China so your 'save a few penny problme' doesn't apply here. Way to overlook the facts midget. I also actually feel better about this because rather than denying any wrong doing initially, they are immediately putting out the recall. At least they are owning up to mistakes and trying to quickly resolve them. of course I would prefer no mistakes at all, but as we have seen in the past... It happens ... and not just with DMM like what we got in USA or Europe .
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j_ung
Feb 17, 2011, 1:02 PM
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spikeddem wrote: chadnsc wrote: spikeddem wrote: I feel like I'm in a dream world where no RC.com'ers remember the exact same problem with the #6 dragon cam by DMM... Yeah you must be dreaming. I mean the OP and several others referneced the problem with the #6 Dragon cam and how it was similar / identical to the problem with the #5 Dragon. I got five stars.
You have seven stars now. Spread out over seven ratings, but still.
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majid_sabet
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USnavy wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Do I need to get my old ultrasonic aviation aluminum crack checker and start checking everything made in CHINA ? pay little more, make it in USA or Europe and save so much in recall instead of loosing your reputation.Petzl first now DMM, whats next ? BD ? Weren't the Aliens made in USA? they had their problems too they had American QA problem not like the modern "Chinese cut the cost /save few penny problem" Except Dragon Cams are made in Whales, not China so your 'save a few penny problme' doesn't apply here. Way to overlook the facts midget. I also actually feel better about this because rather than denying any wrong doing initially, they are immediately putting out the recall. At least they are owning up to mistakes and trying to quickly resolve them. of course I would prefer no mistakes at all, but as we have seen in the past... It happens ... and not just with DMM like what we got in USA or Europe . What do you mean "we"? You are not even a US citizen, have you even ever visited the USA? And your not in Europe either, I think your lost.
No , But I know US history pretty well
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erisspirit
Feb 17, 2011, 5:12 PM
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Chrisrow wrote: Hi Guys , Yes we do have a full recall for all Dragon size 4,and 5. The size six recall is still current. At present we have photographic evidence of three size 5 cams with visible cracks, but as yet no examples of size 4 Dragon Cams. In the circumstances we thought it best to recall both sizes, as climbers safety is paramount here. We have tried to publish the information through as many channels as possible world wide, and welcome any help in relaying this information to those climbers who mIght not have heard. The recall does not effect the Dragon size 1,2 and 3, as these have a different construction. The full details are posted on the recall notice on our site and we try to keep people updated as and when appropriate. In the meantime we thank Mountain Gear for their vigilance, and also our Distributors in the US, Excalibur for the extra work that this will unfortunately heap upon them. We have already set in place a system to rebuild/replace the units and will do everything in our power to ensure a quick turnaround. Thankyou for your help and patience. Best Chris Rowlands Brand Manager DMM
Thanks for the quick actions.
WOO! I have sizes 1-3! I'm good
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chadnsc
Feb 17, 2011, 5:52 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: USnavy wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Do I need to get my old ultrasonic aviation aluminum crack checker and start checking everything made in CHINA ? pay little more, make it in USA or Europe and save so much in recall instead of loosing your reputation.Petzl first now DMM, whats next ? BD ? Weren't the Aliens made in USA? they had their problems too they had American QA problem not like the modern "Chinese cut the cost /save few penny problem" Except Dragon Cams are made in Whales, not China so your 'save a few penny problme' doesn't apply here. Way to overlook the facts midget. I also actually feel better about this because rather than denying any wrong doing initially, they are immediately putting out the recall. At least they are owning up to mistakes and trying to quickly resolve them. of course I would prefer no mistakes at all, but as we have seen in the past... It happens ... and not just with DMM like what we got in USA or Europe . What do you mean "we"? You are not even a US citizen, have you even ever visited the USA? And your not in Europe either, I think your lost. No , But I know US history pretty well
You mean like how well you 'know' where the Dragon cams are made? Like how well you 'know' that the testing done on the Dragon cams wasn't sufficient? Like how well you 'know' what caused the issues with the Dragon cams?
Sure midget, sure.
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sbaclimber
Feb 17, 2011, 9:25 PM
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chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: USnavy wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: chadnsc wrote: majid_sabet wrote: erisspirit wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Do I need to get my old ultrasonic aviation aluminum crack checker and start checking everything made in CHINA ? pay little more, make it in USA or Europe and save so much in recall instead of loosing your reputation.Petzl first now DMM, whats next ? BD ? Weren't the Aliens made in USA? they had their problems too they had American QA problem not like the modern "Chinese cut the cost /save few penny problem" Except Dragon Cams are made in Whales, not China so your 'save a few penny problme' doesn't apply here. Way to overlook the facts midget. I also actually feel better about this because rather than denying any wrong doing initially, they are immediately putting out the recall. At least they are owning up to mistakes and trying to quickly resolve them. of course I would prefer no mistakes at all, but as we have seen in the past... It happens ... and not just with DMM like what we got in USA or Europe . What do you mean "we"? You are not even a US citizen, have you even ever visited the USA? And your not in Europe either, I think your lost. No , But I know US history pretty well You mean like how well you 'know' where the Dragon cams are made? Like how well you 'know' that the testing done on the Dragon cams wasn't sufficient? Like how well you 'know' what caused the issues with the Dragon cams? Sure midget, sure.
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chadnsc
Feb 17, 2011, 9:27 PM
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He's been tryin' for a few years now. 
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sbaclimber
Feb 17, 2011, 9:33 PM
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chadnsc wrote: He's been tryin' for a few years now.
Instead of drawings of red and green arrows (I actually miss those  ), he is now posting suggested information that is either based on ignorance and/or refusal to use Google to check facts before posting, laziness, or an attempt at trolling.
All he needs now is to throw in some gross exaggeration (see thread about traps), and he will fit right in.
@Majid, please never leave! You have recognised your role here and accepted it, and I tip my hat to you for it.
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sbaclimber wrote: chadnsc wrote: He's been tryin' for a few years now. Yeah, but he's starting to get the hang of it. Instead of drawings of red and green arrows (I actually miss those ), he is now posting suggested information that is either based on ignorance and/or refusal to use Google to check facts before posting, laziness, or an attempt at trolling. All he needs now is to throw in some gross exaggeration (see thread about traps), and he will fit right in. @Majid, please never leave! You have recognised your role here and accepted it, and I tip my hat to you for it.
don't forget to add in a couple gud sotries that make you an expert "I had a friend that had a cousin whose neighbor did the same thing.... "
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