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j_ung
Dec 8, 2010, 1:59 PM
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jt512 wrote: Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether. Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star. Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work. Jay
I both agree and disagree. First, the rating system is doing what it was intended to do. The proof of it is all over the site.
To the rest of you...
However, it's also doing a few unintended things. One is the personal animosity thing Jay's talking about. The effect of that isn't, however, limited to Jay reaping the rewards of his post history. The other effect is that, occasionally, truly useful posts (of which Jay has many) get down voted and the info therein gets consigned to the Jay's-an-asshole bin.
If I had it to do over again, I would use a binary system (thumbs up/thumbs down) and hold people accountable for their ratings.
As an aside, say what you will about Jay's posting style. He knows his shit, and he isn't anonymous, which counts for a lot in my book. And frankly, when it comes to burying useful information under a pile of crap, I think the people who let him bother them are just as bad.
(This post was edited by j_ung on Dec 8, 2010, 5:41 PM)
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happiegrrrl
Dec 9, 2010, 4:35 PM
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How do more star/less stars actually affect someone's legitimacy here?
I sort of see the stars like chalk on a route. That is, I don't see them any more. Lots of idiots chalk up holds that lead to nowhere, or in fear dab every possible foothold to the point you'd need 4 legs and 4 hands to use all the *beta* if you followed chalk...
Same with the stars. Looking to them for usefulness in divining the information in front of me is futile. Route-finding on RC.com = Reading Comprehension and Ability to Analyze.
Or - Maybe the Star system just DOES show the level of respect users here have for each other. Maybe someone should make a Sticky in the Beginners section - A Guide to Understanding the Star System as it Relates to the Popularity of Users Here
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Dec 13, 2010, 5:07 PM
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I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form.
The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence.
Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.
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Arrogant_Bastard
Dec 13, 2010, 5:32 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form. The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence. Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.
You take all of this way too seriously.
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airscape
Dec 13, 2010, 7:10 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form. The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence. Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless. You take all of this way too seriously.
I gave you five starts because you're named after a beer.
Content is pretty much meaningless for me.
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airscape
Dec 13, 2010, 7:11 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form. The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence. Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.
I gave you 5 stars since your name reminds me of a crappy breakfast if it's the only thing there is.
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johnwesely
Dec 15, 2010, 2:31 AM
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JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.
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airscape
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johnwesely wrote: JT, If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.
He always rates your posts one star.
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Dec 15, 2010, 1:09 PM
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airscape wrote: johnwesely wrote: JT, If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars. He always rates your posts one star.
I've got to get my reading skillz checked, I misread that as:
He always rates you a porn star.
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johnwesely
Dec 15, 2010, 4:01 PM
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airscape wrote: johnwesely wrote: JT, If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars. He always rates your posts one star.
And I am such a nice guy too...
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edge
Dec 15, 2010, 4:26 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: airscape wrote: johnwesely wrote: JT, If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars. He always rates your posts one star. I've got to get my reading skillz checked, I misread that as: He always rates you a porn star.
That feature is only available to moderators.
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Dec 15, 2010, 10:51 PM
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edge wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: airscape wrote: johnwesely wrote: JT, If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars. He always rates your posts one star. I've got to get my reading skillz checked, I misread that as: He always rates you a porn star. That feature is only available to moderators.
I'm glad I don't have to rate users on this site on their porn star skilz.
But for that post I give you three porn stars. I would give you more, but that only happens in the campgroung.
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guangzhou
Feb 1, 2011, 6:03 AM
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Wow, I'm not the only one who thinks Jay is full of .....
Now, how do I move up on the porn-star rating scale.
Obviously, a porn star needs a symbol for vote. Thumbs up or down don't seem to do this rating justice. Any suggestions???
Maybe a stiff and limp
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spikeddem
Feb 1, 2011, 6:59 PM
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guangzhou wrote: Wow, I'm not the only one who thinks Jay is full of ..... Now, how do I move up on the porn-star rating scale. Obviously, a porn star needs a symbol for vote. Thumbs up or down don't seem to do this rating justice. Any suggestions??? Maybe a stiff and limp
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sbaclimber
Feb 1, 2011, 7:23 PM
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spikeddem wrote: guangzhou wrote: Wow, I'm not the only one who thinks Jay is full of ..... Now, how do I move up on the porn-star rating scale. Obviously, a porn star needs a symbol for vote. Thumbs up or down don't seem to do this rating justice. Any suggestions??? Maybe a stiff and limp Woah. What are you even talking about!? I get that there's some animosity towards Jay, but nothing else!
guangzhou, that's almost a Majid-worthy post, except I am still assuming you were drunk posting 
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Adk
Feb 1, 2011, 11:42 PM
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Jay, I understand what you are saying but a star or a series of stars does not make me want to read someone's posts. I'm sure others are in the same boat as I am.
If I see that there is an interesting title written by an individual on the board who has a history of high end posts I click on it and read it.
Not kissing your ass here but there are few posts that I overlook of yours. There are others here that rank with me this way too.
I do like the idea that you have of holding raters accountable for their star ratings.
Regarding stars, if someone does not rate a post does that mean that they think it's a shit post or does it mean they possibly just don't rate post at all?
Maybe in order to post a reply you should have to rate any thread including the accountablity problem/issue
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guangzhou
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Even if a user was to be held accountable for the rating it wouldn't help. Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are.
Eman
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jt512
Feb 2, 2011, 1:22 AM
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Adk wrote: Regarding stars, if someone does not rate a post does that mean that they think it's a shit post or does it mean they possibly just don't rate post at all?
The related ambiguity (in theory, at least) is whether one star means slightly good (like in a guidebook) or terrible (like a movie rating). The alternative system, using just thumbs up or thumbs down, would solve both ambiguities.
Jay
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Adk
Feb 2, 2011, 1:45 AM
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guangzhou wrote: Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are. Eman
I personally know at least 20 people here. I would bet that many of us have run into each other from time to time as well and can put a face to a screen name.
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Adk
Feb 2, 2011, 1:46 AM
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jt512 wrote: Adk wrote: Regarding stars, if someone does not rate a post does that mean that they think it's a shit post or does it mean they possibly just don't rate post at all? The related ambiguity (in theory, at least) is whether one star means slightly good (like in a guidebook) or terrible (like a movie rating). The alternative system, using just thumbs up or thumbs down, would solve both ambiguities. Jay
Thumbs work for me !!!
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Feb 2, 2011, 2:00 PM
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guangzhou wrote: Even if a user was to be held accountable for the rating it wouldn't help. Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are. Eman
I disagree, I think that most peoplw here know at least one other person here. In fact I smell a pole. (spellink intentiomal for the hummer challenged.)
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airscape
Feb 2, 2011, 2:41 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: guangzhou wrote: Even if a user was to be held accountable for the rating it wouldn't help. Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are. Eman I disagree, I think that most peoplw here know at least one other person here. In fact I smell a pole. (spellink intentiomal for the hummer challenged.)
I don't know anyone.
And knowing my name won't change my vote. As a matter of fact I would like it if someone knew that I voted for them,
I do feel though that the lack of a rating system in the campground is fucked up. How am I supposed to know if my senseless drivel is worth anything?
Also there should be graphs.
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Feb 2, 2011, 7:17 PM
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airscape wrote: I do feel though that the lack of a rating system in the campground is fucked up. How am I supposed to know if my senseless drivel is worth anything? Also there should be graphs.
If you are looking for warm hugs for the drivel you post, I suggest you look in the commune you hippie.
As for graphs:
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jomagam
Feb 10, 2011, 6:26 PM
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Thumbs up/down works for me. There could also be a minimum number of votes before the results are displayed so that a few random haters do not show up if otherwise there's not much feedback.
I don't know if rc.com rolled their own software or if it's some off the shelf stuff, but limiting display of rating with more than N feedbacks seems like a trivial change, so maybe it can be done first. Thumbs up/down is not hard, but it's way more involved.
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