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KeitaroHoshi


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Would you prefer to climb on private property where you pay and run(where the land manager doesn't climb)?
Or would you rather climb where 'climbing' is the focus of the 'area'?

A friend of mine was recently shunned and verbally battered by a private campground manager.
The friend was camping and paying weekly rent.
Next, out of know where, the manager strolls up and begins a 30 minute verbal assault against the friend.
Which resulted in the climber/camper to pack up und leave. A few others also canceled their weekends after learning of the incident.

The purpose for this question is-
I have also seen accounts of gross harassment,
und I seek to find a reasonable reaction to this problem if in the future I might find my self in the same situation. Please do not respond with baggering comments such as troll, and or, other oblivious statements.


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What was the verbal assault about??

I cannot think that a campground manager would do something like that without a reason. (Although I would personally not tolerate verbal abuse of any kind, even if I was in the wrong. I would have immediately contacted the owner.)


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I have come to the assumption that the bastards rant of defiance was a self enduced fit of psychosis in an emotional state of low self-esteme produced by intellectual knowledge of self which lacks will-power; also a intimate secrecy of envy and jelousy of the climbers physic.


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
I have come to the assumption that the bastards rant of defiance was a self enduced emotional state of low self-esteme produced by intellectual lack of will-power and an immediate fit of psychosis provoked by the managers knowledge of self envy and a secret jelousy of the climbers physic.

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Please do not respond with baggering comments such as troll, and or, other oblivious statements.

Hippocrit.


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airscape wrote:
this is a test you are now entering the twlite ezone this is airscape's physological war fare plot. I am here to degrade youTongue

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I don't quite understand... If the land manager/owner has a campground but doesn't approve of climbing on his land, then don't go there to climb. If your friend was just staying at a campground, but climbing at an established crag elsewhere then what your friend does off the campground is none of anybodies damn business.


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
Would you prefer to climb on private property where you pay and run(where the land manager doesn't climb)?
Or would you rather climb where 'climbing' is the focus of the 'area'?

I am having trouble figuring out what you are asking. Are you asking would I prefer to pay and climb on private land to not pay and climb on public land? Uhhhh......would anyone prefer to pay for climbing...?

Not to say I don't pay (i.e. The Gunks), but if I think I would prefer not to.

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A friend of mine was recently shunned and verbally battered by a private campground manager.
The friend was camping and paying weekly rent.
Next, out of know where, the manager strolls up and begins a 30 minute verbal assault against the friend.
Which resulted in the climber/camper to pack up und leave. A few others also canceled their weekends after learning of the incident.

The purpose for this question is-
I have also seen accounts of gross harassment,
und I seek to find a reasonable reaction to this problem if in the future I might find my self in the same situation. Please do not respond with baggering comments such as troll, and or, other oblivious statements.

Shunned? Verbally battered? I am trying to picture this in my mind. We need some more info.

What is with all these senseless posts lately?

Josh


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The camp manager made comments to my friend such as
I don't like you
I dont give a F!@# about climbing
I hope you hurt your self
I hope you don't come back to see us
You ain't from round here I don't know why I don't just shot you. Several other insults were imposed and the manager ends with saying keep this to your self it could be bad for our business (yes camping and climbing are both allowed).

I have also heard similar stories. More for example(true story): Pa was walking in a national park one day and a ranger drives up and says to Pa I have seen you here before. Did you know that you are only allowed to visit the park 30 days in each year.
Pa says thats BS!@# the ranger escorts Pa to the gate. At the gate Pa points to a sign. There is a sign that reads visit the park 365 days a year purchase your yearly pass here. The ranger looks at Pa and says FU!@#$ and speeds off. Pa lost 300$ in gear during the fiasco, and had to walk 15 miles back into the park to explain to the boss of the volunteer crew what happened.

I was wondering what the general accepted reaction to this type of bullying should be/or is.


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
The camp manager made comments to my friend such as
I don't like you
I dont give a F!@# about climbing
I hope you hurt your self
I hope you don't come back to see us
You ain't from round here I don't know why I don't just shot you. Several other insults were imposed and the manager ends with saying keep this to your self it could be bad for our business (yes camping and climbing are both allowed).

I have also heard similar stories. More for example(true story): Pa was walking in a national park one day and a ranger drives up and says to Pa I have seen you here before. Did you know that you are only allowed to visit the park 30 days in each year.
Pa says thats BS!@# the ranger escorts Pa to the gate. At the gate Pa points to a sign. There is a sign that reads visit the park 365 days a year purchase your yearly pass here. The ranger looks at Pa and says FU!@#$ and speeds off. Pa lost 300$ in gear during the fiasco, and had to walk 15 miles back into the park to explain to the boss of the volunteer crew what happened.

I was wondering what the general accepted reaction to this type of bullying should be/or is.

Maybe you ought to tell us where this is so we can avoid it. There is really no reason to keep this secret unless you are just trolling.

JB


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I do not wish to take part in any slanderous demoralizing character assination.
I was only wondering. What is the general accepted reaction to a land managing bully?


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
I do not wish to take part in any slanderous demoralizing character assination.
I was only wondering what is the general accepted reaction to a land managing bully.

Telling us to be careful around a certain area in not necessarily slander...i would say more of a common courtesy and also a generally accepted reaction.

JB


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
I do not wish to take part in any slanderous demoralizing character assination.
I was only wondering what is the general accepted reaction to a land managing bully.

If it's true it isn't really slander is it?


KeitaroHoshi


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Yes it is slanderous in nature.
There are people everywhere.
When you meet others who don't have anything in common with you their exist a conflict of interest. I do not want to be a part of any conflict.
I also do not want to stereotype the locals in a negative fashion.
If you are worried about the location then you can easily research the surronding areas of your desired destination and go to a place where you fit in.


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
The camp manager made comments to my friend such as
I don't like you
I dont give a F!@# about climbing
I hope you hurt your self
I hope you don't come back to see us
You ain't from round here I don't know why I don't just shot you. Several other insults were imposed and the manager ends with saying keep this to your self it could be bad for our business (yes camping and climbing are both allowed).

I have also heard similar stories. More for example(true story): Pa was walking in a national park one day and a ranger drives up and says to Pa I have seen you here before. Did you know that you are only allowed to visit the park 30 days in each year.
Pa says thats BS!@# the ranger escorts Pa to the gate. At the gate Pa points to a sign. There is a sign that reads visit the park 365 days a year purchase your yearly pass here. The ranger looks at Pa and says FU!@#$ and speeds off. Pa lost 300$ in gear during the fiasco, and had to walk 15 miles back into the park to explain to the boss of the volunteer crew what happened.

I was wondering what the general accepted reaction to this type of bullying should be/or is.

Where are you climbing? The set of Deliverance?

Josh


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blueeyedclimber wrote:
KeitaroHoshi wrote:
The camp manager made comments to my friend such as
I don't like you
I dont give a F!@# about climbing
I hope you hurt your self
I hope you don't come back to see us
You ain't from round here I don't know why I don't just shot you. Several other insults were imposed and the manager ends with saying keep this to your self it could be bad for our business (yes camping and climbing are both allowed).

I have also heard similar stories. More for example(true story): Pa was walking in a national park one day and a ranger drives up and says to Pa I have seen you here before. Did you know that you are only allowed to visit the park 30 days in each year.
Pa says thats BS!@# the ranger escorts Pa to the gate. At the gate Pa points to a sign. There is a sign that reads visit the park 365 days a year purchase your yearly pass here. The ranger looks at Pa and says FU!@#$ and speeds off. Pa lost 300$ in gear during the fiasco, and had to walk 15 miles back into the park to explain to the boss of the volunteer crew what happened.

I was wondering what the general accepted reaction to this type of bullying should be/or is.

Where are you climbing? The set of Deliverance?

Josh


Yes!!! He must have been the pig!!

KeitaroHoshi wrote:
Yes it is slanderous in nature.
There are people everywhere.
When you meet others who don't have anything in common with you their exist a conflict of interest. I do not want to be a part of any conflict.
I also do not want to stereotype the locals in a negative fashion.
If you are worried about the location then you can easily research the surronding areas of your desired destination and go to a place where you fit in.



And he is kinda pissy about it!!

JB


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O.K. potato heads here is the thing.
I specifically asked what your reaction would be to these bullying scenarios and you have responded by taking part in joining sides with the bullys to work together as a team and scrutinize against me with uneducational comments and sarcasims showing no interest in the intention of my message; which clearly reads. "What would your reaction be when confronted by a land managing bully?"


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
O.K. potato heads here is the thing.
I specifically asked what your reaction would be to these bullying scenarios and you have responded by taking part in joining sides with the bullys to work together as a team and scrutinize against me with uneducational comments and sarcasims showing no interest in the intention of my message; which clearly reads. "What would your reaction be when confronted by a land managing bully?"

I guess right now you could say it would be to pick on the person who doesn't have the balls to stand up to him then bitches on the internet about it but won't tell anyone where it is so they can avoid the damn place.

I know, I know...it was your friend that this happened to...riiiiight!!! Wink


But if it did happen to me I would tell the asshole off. File a complaint if possible and then tell everyone I know not to go there anymore because of what happened.

There you go!

JB

I am just in an asshole mood today!


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kovacs69 wrote:
KeitaroHoshi wrote:
O.K. potato heads here is the thing.
I specifically asked what your reaction would be to these bullying scenarios and you have responded by taking part in joining sides with the bullys to work together as a team and scrutinize against me with uneducational comments and sarcasims showing no interest in the intention of my message; which clearly reads. "What would your reaction be when confronted by a land managing bully?"

I guess right now you could say it would be to pick on the person who doesn't have the balls to stand up to him then bitches on the internet about it but won't tell anyone where it is so they can avoid the damn place.

I know, I know...it was your friend that this happened to...riiiiight!!! Wink

JB

I am just in an asshole mood today!

It seems that you would fit right in over there. I dout that your intention is to stay away from the location.
And since your inherent nature is degrading and belittling I see no reason to disclose the location to you.

In my previous post I clearly stated that If you research the surrounding areas of your destination then you will be able to see if you fit in. If you do fit in then I do not want to take part in making this place any stronger. You are on your own.


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If it was a manager of a campground, or a ranger, or other employee, I would write a letter/send an email TO whomever was the actual boss and tell what happened. If such a person behaved that way to me, chances would be good that they behave this way more often than not.

Now I can get confrontational myself, and probably would, to such a person. After all, I confronted a pimp abusing his streetwalker on upper Broadway last year(of course when I did the confronting, I thought he was some religious wackjob trying to "save her" from herself - oops...). But I did not back down, once the f'er looked at me with his poisonous eyes and quietly told me to get the hell away from him and that he could kill me if he felt like it. I sort of doubt I would be afraid of a campground manager....hahahah. Unless he was form the Dirty South, that is! I DO believe that when the suggestion is made they could shoot you and bury you in the woods and nobody would ever find your body, they may be right.

As for where I would like to climb? I prefer not to be harrassed, and not have too stringent of rules and obvious enforcement. I'm lucky to have the Gunks as my home crag in that way.


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
kovacs69 wrote:
KeitaroHoshi wrote:
O.K. potato heads here is the thing.
I specifically asked what your reaction would be to these bullying scenarios and you have responded by taking part in joining sides with the bullys to work together as a team and scrutinize against me with uneducational comments and sarcasims showing no interest in the intention of my message; which clearly reads. "What would your reaction be when confronted by a land managing bully?"

I guess right now you could say it would be to pick on the person who doesn't have the balls to stand up to him then bitches on the internet about it but won't tell anyone where it is so they can avoid the damn place.

I know, I know...it was your friend that this happened to...riiiiight!!! Wink

But if it did happen to me I would tell the asshole off. File a complaint if possible and then tell everyone I know not to go there anymore because of what happened.

There you go!

JB

I am just in an asshole mood today!

It seems that you would fit right in over there. I dout that your intention is to stay away from the location.
And since your inherent nature is degrading and belittling I see no reason to disclose the location to you.

In my previous post I clearly stated that If you research the surrounding areas of your destination then you will be able to see if you fit in. If you do fit in then I do not want to take part in making this place any stronger. You are on your own.


Maybe you ought to edit your post to include my entire post not just what you want it to say. I gave you and honest answer as to what I would do and you cut it out. I fixed it in my quote for you.

Yes I can be an asshole but only when someone won't give me an honest answer to a simple question. I would like to know where this is so I can avoid it since it is obvious it is not worth the hassle but hey maybe I want to go there to do something that you apparently won't do and let this guy know where to get off. Either way you will never know.

By the way its not slander if it is true!

In reply to:
Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report.

Were you lying about what truly went down with your friendWink and now you are in too deep to set the record straight?

Just letting people know that someplace is better left alone is just a common courtesy.

JB


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 This is what I gather from the answers received here.
Confront him and beat him then send a letter later telling what happened.
Your suggestions have been taken into consideration. It is over now. I am far away. In the future I hope to avoid these situations.
Hey tex I am not going to edit my posts every time you change your posts after I quote you.
It seems that you are doing the bullying now and I have had enough. Can you explain to me how I can benefit from your on slaut of manipulation ploys?


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So you didn't actually tell us what happened and now you are bashing everyone who offers a response. Troll.

This thread is pointless without us knowing either the full story of what happened or the location, so shut the fuck up, you stupid n00b.


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jbro_135 wrote:
So you didn't actually tell us what happened and now you are bashing everyone who offers a response. Troll.

This thread is pointless without us knowing either the full story of what happened or the location, so shut the fuck up, you stupid n00b.

See my point exactly!!

JB


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Yes and now I have discovered some sort of allience.
Between Jbro and this guy from texas. It is very becoming of you to presist in writing these insults about me. I still won't tell you where the place is. I have already gotten your responce. One of you say that you would beat the guy then the other starts in and begins cursing at me. This will be helpfull for me in the future. If in the event that we should meet I will know to stay away from the two of you.


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KeitaroHoshi wrote:
Yes and now I have discovered some sort of allience.
Between Jbro and this guy from texas. It is very becoming of you to presist in writing these insults about me. I still won't tell you where the place is. I have already gotten your responce. One of you say that you would beat the guy then the other starts in and begins cursing at me. This will be helpfull for me in the future. If in the event that we should meet I will know to stay away from the two of you.

That's good. You could start avoiding us by never posting here again!

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