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mccay00
Dec 28, 2002, 7:49 PM
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I was just wondering if anyone stays on any diets to increase muscle for climbing. I know climbing is the best excercise, but i also know that proper diet intake is important in keeping the strength you gain, so does anyone have any suggestions?
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Matt
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copperhead
Dec 28, 2002, 7:56 PM
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Olde English 800 & Beanee Weenee.
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climbingjunky
Dec 28, 2002, 7:58 PM
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I try to eat a balanced diet from all 4 food groups and make sure I get enough protein everyday so muscles can recover properly. I also try to stay away from fatty, greasy foods. But u can't take away chocolate from me!
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micronut
Dec 28, 2002, 8:15 PM
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oh no, not this thing again.
But to comment on the last post, the "basic four" food groups were invented by the meat and dariy industry. The "nutritional information" that you got in school was pure propaganda distributed by these people, i.e The National Dariy Council, sounds like a public service group, doesn't it? Think again. I recommend reading John Robbins' classic work, "diet for a new america".
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jonzoclimber
Dec 28, 2002, 8:45 PM
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eat nothing, get thin...
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micronut
Dec 28, 2002, 9:20 PM
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monkeyshine, originall there were like 27 food groups. The the meast and dariy industry got together and made up the whole "4 basic groups" story, with their products making up 50% of the groups, go figure.
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stevematthys
Dec 28, 2002, 10:10 PM
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kool-aid and cheezits
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ksfrogman
Dec 28, 2002, 11:53 PM
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Matt, what's your age, height and weight? Do you have any significant medical problems or food allergies?
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mccay00
Dec 29, 2002, 12:37 AM
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I'm 18, six foot and am 160 pounds with no health problems
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funktimonious
Dec 29, 2002, 1:34 AM
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Since we're on the topic, I don't understand why people put salt on their food. My father is a cardiologist, and I was raised never putting salt in anything. I was told it leads to hypertension...why do you people do it?!
Just thought I'd ask/rant.
--Peace.
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mojorisin
Dec 29, 2002, 1:52 AM
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I have tried every wich way you can imagine to get a proper diet. From being a vegetarian to drinking grease out of the fry pan after cooking two huge burgers. I have eaten power bars staight for a month with only water. And gallons of ice cream with choclate bars, To be honest, I never felt any different no matter what. The only thing that makes me feel good or bad is how much activity I get. I think thats what is wrong with half the people in the world today. That and lack of sunshine.
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ksfrogman
Dec 29, 2002, 2:28 AM
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Matt,
I am not an expert climber, nor am I a dietician, but I have counseled several on the topic of exercise and nutrition as related to sports during my practice as a physician.
There has been a lot of controversy lately on the topic of diet as it pertains to cardiovascular fitness, weight loss, stamina, etc.. Generally, we tend to focus on systems. We limit protein intake on those who have renal problems, we limit salt and free sugar in those who have high blood pressure and diabetes, etc.
I'm sure you've noticed that those thin, high school girls seem to climb quite easily without much fanfare, so I'm not sure if bulking up is actually the right thing to do.
As for mild ligamentous injuries (sprains), and general inflammatory joint conditions, several recommend glucosamine with chondroitin. Adequately stretching before any strenuous activity is a good idea, and whatever you do (diet, exercise, climbing), do it in moderation so you don't compromise future activity by injuring yourself.
Still others advocate carbohydrate loading (complex carbohydrates) for quick energy/stamina. Hence, runners tend to do this before marathons with pastas, yogurt, etc.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so be mindful of your activity. I'll post more on the diet later.
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hroldan
Dec 29, 2002, 3:06 AM
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mccay00:
Just the basics.
The important thing is what kind of muscles you are building.
The best is to obtain a small but strong muscle.
As i recall, working with the 75% of your maximum is a good way to do it. Also, as it was mentioned on a post here at rc, increasing nerves on your muscle is great (is not a muscular thing, is a neural thing)
There's a looot of info about this on other posts.
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soulclimberchick
Dec 29, 2002, 3:25 AM
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funktimonious...
have you ever had french fries w/out any salt, or popcorn with no salt? or with salt for that matter? salt adds flavor...in moderation of course, but some things just dont taste right withought salt! well thats my opinion, I dont really put it on anything else... ~Rock On!~
~*Kira*~
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ksfrogman
Dec 29, 2002, 7:57 AM
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Yeah, I'll have to agree that salt is a great flavor enhancer. There's a book entitled "Salt" by Mark Kurlansky that gives a world history account about this spice.
I thank God that my blood pressure is almost always low normal and that I don't have to dispense of this condiment.
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funktimonious
Dec 29, 2002, 8:15 AM
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I obviously have eaten those foods with salt, as they come. However, the salt that's already in the foods you eat is more than enough. I don't see why people always ADD salt. It's nuts.
And although your blood preasure may be low now, your eating habbits are ingrained and long term...so when your blood preasure does rise, your habits will be hard to change.
PLUS, if cardiologists say not to, I'd listen to them regardless.
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ksfrogman
Dec 29, 2002, 4:09 PM
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I agree with the salt thing. Sodium potentially increases the osmolarity of your blood and water follows. The body has to maintain the intracellular concentrations of sodium to water. As the blood volume increases, so does your blood pressure. When we check a basic metabolic profile from your blood, we look at your sodium too.
When the body cannot excrete adequate amounts of sodium (e.g., dehydration)the sodium level will be high. When the body loses sodium (through vomiting, diarrhea, or dilutes the blood abnormally in certain endocrine problems) then the amount is decreases.
A hot dog wiener (sp?) has more than the ample amount of sodium per day, and for this reason, we usually recommend 2 gram sodium diets in the hospital for those with hypertension.
As we get older, our blood vessels become less elastic (distensible) and the tendency is that our systolic blood pressure (the first number which measures the pressure when the heart is contracting) may increase.
I like salt, and I do use it, but I don't go berzerk and apply it liberally to everything. In fact, to most people, my food would probably taste a little on the bland side, but I still love salt on popcorn, and with my garlic and olive oil linguini.
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micronut
Dec 29, 2002, 4:53 PM
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ksfrogsman,
You actually feed people hotdogs in the hospital to make them well?
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xanx
Dec 29, 2002, 5:05 PM
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honestly, the best climbers i know eat nothing but crap. (no not literally). i mean they eat like burgers and fries and sometimes just a candy bar all day; absolute junk. of course, this may be b/c 2 of them are 15 and the other is 20. i dunno for older ppl, try and PM john gill; if he doesn't know the best answer, no one does.
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ksfrogman
Dec 29, 2002, 5:29 PM
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Heh. Our hospital does serve hot dogs, but that wasn't my idea. To be honest, I just go across the street and get my food there.
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crack_head
Dec 29, 2002, 5:46 PM
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eat well, stay away from greasy $#!&, dont starve yourself. i'm saying this after just eating half a pizza
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coclimber26
Dec 29, 2002, 7:58 PM
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top roman, a loaf of bread and some cheap beer...breakfast of champions..
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catra
Dec 29, 2002, 8:16 PM
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I don't eat any animal products.
I'm a vegan and am strong and healthy and have tons of energy.
I run 100 mile race's and my diet works for me.
I belive you should also take supplements, like a multi. vitamin, and maybe extra E and C to help with recovery if you climb a lot.
Catra
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